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04-04-2010, 03:42 PM
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Coburn actually had a real solid game this afternoon.

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04-04-2010, 03:46 PM
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Coburn actually had a real solid game this afternoon.
Yeah he looked good back with Kimmo

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04-04-2010, 04:27 PM
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Yeah he looked good back with Kimmo
I love mean Coburn. He shows up like 10 games a year, but mean Coburn is a treat to watch. Someone needs to get him angry in the locker room before every game.

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04-04-2010, 04:29 PM
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I love mean Coburn. He shows up like 10 games a year, but mean Coburn is a treat to watch. Someone needs to get him angry in the locker room before every game.
yeah he buried someone, dont remember who

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04-04-2010, 04:57 PM
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I love mean Coburn. He shows up like 10 games a year, but mean Coburn is a treat to watch. Someone needs to get him angry in the locker room before every game.
I guess Holmgren's barb about Coburn's agent fired him up a bit. Maybe Holmgren needs to talk smack about Coburn's girlfriend next.

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04-04-2010, 05:13 PM
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If we had to keep either Parent or Coburn who do you keep?

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04-04-2010, 05:16 PM
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If we had to keep either Parent or Coburn who do you keep?
Coburn.

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04-04-2010, 05:41 PM
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Coburn.
Agreed. Parent has a higher value in trades, but I think Coburn will ultimately be more valuable to our team in the next few years.

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04-04-2010, 05:42 PM
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Agreed. Parent has a higher value in trades, but I think Coburn will ultimately be more valuable to our team in the next few years.
I highly doubt that.

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04-04-2010, 05:45 PM
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I highly doubt that.
You really think teams want Coburn at this point? If I would have said the same thing a month ago you would agree.

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04-04-2010, 05:55 PM
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You really think teams want Coburn at this point? If I would have said the same thing a month ago you would agree.
Coburn is better now and will be better forever.

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04-04-2010, 06:26 PM
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You really think teams want Coburn at this point? If I would have said the same thing a month ago you would agree.
I don't think Parents value ever surpassed Coburn's. He's a better player even when he is struggling, IMO.

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04-04-2010, 06:44 PM
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It really is a pleasure to watch Coburn skate, he is so smooth. He seems comfortable with the puck on his stick starting/leading the rush. He and Kimmo do great work together and compliment each other pretty well. I really wish he would use his shot from the point more, he can blow it past most goalies without traffic in front.

The raw talent is there and he has shown flashes of Top Pairing, but perhaps he is a little too old for the "development". He doesn't get beat because he is slow, he gets beat by elite players because of his average Hockey IQ.

Hopefully he takes a cap friendly deal and continues to learn from Pronger this season.

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04-04-2010, 06:58 PM
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It really is a pleasure to watch Coburn skate, he is so smooth. He seems comfortable with the puck on his stick starting/leading the rush. He and Kimmo do great work together and compliment each other pretty well. I really wish he would use his shot from the point more, he can blow it past most goalies without traffic in front.

The raw talent is there and he has shown flashes of Top Pairing, but perhaps he is a little too old for the "development". He doesn't get beat because he is slow, he gets beat by elite players because of his average Hockey IQ.

Hopefully he takes a cap friendly deal and continues to learn from Pronger this season.
Why don't people seem to understand that defensemen normally take longer to fully develop? Defense is a position that you just can't expect to dominate consistently from day one. Experience is more important than talent.

Coburn is going to be an awesome defenseman.

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04-04-2010, 07:12 PM
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Why don't people seem to understand that defensemen normally take longer to fully develop? Defense is a position that you just can't expect to dominate consistently from day one. Experience is more important than talent.

Coburn is going to be an awesome defenseman.
I beg to differ. If that's the case, then why is it that guys like Ryan Suter, Shea Webber, Drew Doughty, Tyler Myers, Jay Bouwmeester, etc....all made impacts their first years in the NHL. Coburn has been in the league now for three and a half seasons now (people forget that he played 49 games in 06-07). For two of those seasons, he digressed something fierce. And now because he has a stretch of nice games, he's all of a sudden going to be an "awesome" defenseman. Have you watched him for the past two years, Chris? He teases everyone with his ability. He did it last year and he did it this year. He'll put together a stretch of where he's an absolute monster on the back end, but when he reaches that moment where you think he's going to break through and be that dominant guy, he falls apart and goes back into his rut. He'll have a stretch where he'll play 10 dominant games, followed up by 30 piss poor games.

People need to get over it. Coburn is what he is. He's a Therien v2.0 and that's being pretty generous.

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04-04-2010, 07:21 PM
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I beg to differ. If that's the case, then why is it that guys like Ryan Suter, Shea Webber, Drew Doughty, Tyler Myers, Jay Bouwmeester, etc....all made impacts their first years in the NHL. Coburn has been in the league now for three and a half seasons now (people forget that he played 49 games in 06-07). For two of those seasons, he digressed something fierce. And now because he has a stretch of nice games, he's all of a sudden going to be an "awesome" defenseman. Have you watched him for the past two years, Chris? He teases everyone with his ability. He did it last year and he did it this year. He'll put together a stretch of where he's an absolute monster on the back end, but when he reaches that moment where you think he's going to break through and be that dominant guy, he falls apart and goes back into his rut. He'll have a stretch where he'll play 10 dominant games, followed up by 30 piss poor games.

People need to get over it. Coburn is what he is. He's a Therien v2.0 and that's being pretty generous.
So, is Phaneuf doomed to failure as a defenseman for all eternity as well?

He was selected one pick apart from Coburn, and it's not like he's spectacular anymore.

If Phaneuf did it before, he can do it again. If Coburn did it before, he can do it again too.

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People need to get over it. Coburn is what he is. He's a Therien v2.0 and that's being pretty generous.
Therian gets no repsect lol. He was very solid dman for most of his time here. so many people forget that. Because he was big and didnt hit people rag on him til no end. That was never ever his game in collge and in the ahl yet people though that was going to change. His last 1.5 years he was pretty bad. I wisht eh flyers could draft and develop another therian once in a while.

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04-04-2010, 07:45 PM
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So, is Phaneuf doomed to failure as a defenseman for all eternity as well?

He was selected one pick apart from Coburn, and it's not like he's spectacular anymore.
Mike Keenan was the best thing that ever happened to Dion Phaneuf. If anything, I'd say it was Brent Sutter who inexplicably turned on Phaneuf this year. How do you manage to alienate a defenseman who averaged 51.5 points per season in his four seasons in Calgary? As for Toronto, Phaneuf stepped into a mess there. I'll say Phaneuf will turn it around because he's shown in the past he can do it and he has a track record of doing it.

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If Phaneuf did it before, he can do it again. If Coburn did it before, he can do it again too.
Coburn has had ONE good season since joining the NHL. One. Phaneuf has had four good seasons before his bad one this year. Honestly, comparing Coburn to Phaneuf is like comparing Michel Petit to Brian Leetch. Coburn isn't even a quarter of the defenseman that Phaneuf is.

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04-04-2010, 07:52 PM
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People need to get over it. Coburn is what he is. He's a Therien v2.0 and that's being pretty generous.
I know why you say this, and that's fine, but Coburn has a great ****ing set of tools. He has all the talent in the world, but his mental game is shaky at best.

Therien had nothing close to the skill that Coburn has.

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I know why you say this, and that's fine, but Coburn has a great ****ing set of tools. He has all the talent in the world, but his mental game is shaky at best.

Therien had nothing close to the skill that Coburn has.
That's exactly the problem though.

Some d-men have the tools and the brain and even if it takes a while, they'll fulfill their potential.

Coburn simply doesn't have the brain, I remember one play today where he tried to skate the puck through traffic out of the zone and very nearly turned it over at the blue line.

He's had 4 years in the league and still does those things, that's what's worrying.

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That's exactly the problem though.

Some d-men have the tools and the brain and even if it takes a while, they'll fulfill their potential.

Coburn simply doesn't have the brain, I remember one play today where he tried to skate the puck through traffic out of the zone and very nearly turned it over at the blue line.

He's had 4 years in the league and still does those things, that's what's worrying.
I've seen Neidermeyer do that a few times. Great players often do **** that makes you scream "no no no! don't do that.....oh **** NICE PLAY, YEAH!!!!!". I'm not saying Coburn is there yet, but he has the natural ability and I know it's cliche, but I think he will only get better with experience. Granted it takes some guys a lot longer to learn lessons than others, but he'll get there IMO.


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Coburn has had ONE good season since joining the NHL. One. Phaneuf has had four good seasons before his bad one this year. Honestly, comparing Coburn to Phaneuf is like comparing Michel Petit to Brian Leetch. Coburn isn't even a quarter of the defenseman that Phaneuf is.
Good by what standard? I think he has had 4 good seasons and one bad one where he is really coming on at the end of the year now. Rumors of Coburn sucking are greatly exaggerated.

Phaneuf had an iffy season last year as well according to most Flames fans I hear tell it. Nothing abysmal though, just not up to his usual standard. He played through a hip injury last year also.


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Good by what standard? I think he has had 4 good seasons and one bad one where he is really coming on at the end of the year now. Rumors of Coburn sucking are greatly exaggerated.

Phaneuf had an iffy season last year as well according to most Flames fans I hear tell it. Nothing abysmal though, just not up to his usual standard. He played through a hip injury last year also.
Agree completely.

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At this point, if I'm Homer, I would start to get the trading wheel rolling for Carle in the offseason. Coburn should get ~2.25-2.75 mil and Parent ~1-1.5 mil. Coburn has turned his game around enough to earn the raise IMO. But before Homer gives out the new contract he needs to look Coburn in the face and seriously tell Braydon to not let him regret giving out that kind of contract. I mean, Coburn should get the message that if he doesn't maintain his good play next year, Homer will hunt him down Rambo style.

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I keep Coburn and Parent, and trade Carle.

(Unless someone will gives a goalie for Coburn or Parent)

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