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03-29-2010, 01:58 PM
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Philippe Paradis

With all the discussion of our new college signing in Irwin, and our first round pick, 7th over all in Kadri, I just wanted to give an update on our OTHER first round pick who has been putting up impressive numbers in the Q this year.

Philippe Paradis
Position: Center
DOB: Born Jan 2 1991 -- Dolbeau, PQ
Height 6.01 -- Weight 196 -- Shoots L

Year GM G A Pts PIM
2009-10 63 24 20 44 104

Is anyone else as excited about Paradis' upside as I am? I think Paradis has the potential to become our number 2 centre (eventually). Has anyone else been following him?

Remember we gave up Jiri Tlusty who's been very unimpressive for the Canes:
YEAR TEAM LG G G A PTS PIM
2009-10 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 18 1 5 6 6
2009-10 Albany River Rats AHL 16 6 6 12 8


I think this might be the most underrated trade of the year. Furthermore, I believe Burke fleeced Rutherford (or whatever his name is) in Carolina....

Who's with me?!

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I like Paradis' prospects in 2 years for sure.
I see him more as a solid third liner though.

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Originally Posted by Richie79 View Post
With all the discussion of our new college signing in Irwin, and our first round pick, 7th over all in Kadri, I just wanted to give an update on our OTHER first round pick who has been putting up impressive numbers in the Q this year.

Philippe Paradis
Position: Center
DOB: Born Jan 2 1991 -- Dolbeau, PQ
Height 6.01 -- Weight 196 -- Shoots L

Year GM G A Pts PIM
2009-10 63 24 20 44 104

Is anyone else as excited about Paradis' upside as I am? I think Paradis has the potential to become our number 2 centre (eventually). Has anyone else been following him?

Remember we gave up Jiri Tlusty who's been very unimpressive for the Canes:
YEAR TEAM LG G G A PTS PIM
2009-10 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 18 1 5 6 6
2009-10 Albany River Rats AHL 16 6 6 12 8


I think this might be the most underrated trade of the year. Furthermore, I believe Burke fleeced Rutherford (or whatever his name is) in Carolina....

Who's with me?!
I am with you, he's probably three or four years away though. I believe he'll be a good power forward for years to come.

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With all the discussion of our new college signing in Irwin, and our first round pick, 7th over all in Kadri, I just wanted to give an update on our OTHER first round pick who has been putting up impressive numbers in the Q this year.

Philippe Paradis
Position: Center
DOB: Born Jan 2 1991 -- Dolbeau, PQ
Height 6.01 -- Weight 196 -- Shoots L

Year GM G A Pts PIM
2009-10 63 24 20 44 104

Is anyone else as excited about Paradis' upside as I am? I think Paradis has the potential to become our number 2 centre (eventually). Has anyone else been following him?

Remember we gave up Jiri Tlusty who's been very unimpressive for the Canes:
YEAR TEAM LG G G A PTS PIM
2009-10 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 18 1 5 6 6
2009-10 Albany River Rats AHL 16 6 6 12 8


I think this might be the most underrated trade of the year. Furthermore, I believe Burke fleeced Rutherford (or whatever his name is) in Carolina....

Who's with me?!
No way to tell right now.

I think Paradis has the mindset and qualities that Burke likes in players. I haven't seen him play a single game so far, though.

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I havn't seen him play but his numbers aren't that impressive and I know he was drafted way above where he was projected.. Not saying he can't be good but I don't really share the optimism

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Paradis... He must be greek.

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Not me.

How can anyone tell how this trade will pan out right now? Way too early.


Rutherford fleeced? Hardly. I just hope Carolina doesn't trade Tlusty to Phoenix in the off-season - then WE would be the ones who got fleeced!

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Those aren't impressive numbers - those are horrible numbers.

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I like Paradis' prospects in 2 years for sure.
I see him more as a solid third liner though.
Couldn't agree more

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I havn't seen him play but his numbers aren't that impressive and I know he was drafted way above where he was projected.. Not saying he can't be good but I don't really share the optimism
I don't think he's got a really high ceiling, but 6-2, 195 pounds, little bit of skill - good materials to mould someone into the bottom six.

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Those aren't impressive numbers - those are horrible numbers.
i wouldn't call them horrible, but they don[t jump out at ya

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I havn't seen him play but his numbers aren't that impressive and I know he was drafted way above where he was projected.. Not saying he can't be good but I don't really share the optimism
24 goals (44 points) & 104 pim in 63 games doesn't impressive you for an 18/19 year old kid in junior (Q)?

Let's look at Wendel Clark's stat at 18/19 years of age in junior (WHL):
23 goals (45 points) & 225 pim in 72 games

are you kidding me? What does he have to have the same stats as Sidney Crosby or Wayne Gretzky?

His stats are almost identical to Wendel Clark's stats (except for the fact that Wendy had 100 more pims)...and Clark turned out to be more then a third liner....

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Not me.

How can anyone tell how this trade will pan out right now? Way too early.


Rutherford fleeced? Hardly. I just hope Carolina doesn't trade Tlusty to Phoenix in the off-season - then WE would be the ones who got fleeced!
Tlusty sucks.

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Those aren't impressive numbers - those are horrible numbers.
I agree. When you look at the guys that are successful pros they usually had a pretty high level of success in the CHL. The Leafs other Q players are all way more productive at that level and they are far from guaranteed to be NHLers. Unless he is the clubs defensive shutdown guy but I haven't heard that.
Maybe he is Troy Brouwer but that is a real exception. He has another year at that level to break out so it can change but if he doesn't show good hands in the Q you can't really count on them to appear as a pro.
Nobody got fleeced.

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44 points in 63 games in the Q is nothing to write home about....specially for a player who has already been drafted.

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With all the discussion of our new college signing in Irwin, and our first round pick, 7th over all in Kadri, I just wanted to give an update on our OTHER first round pick who has been putting up impressive numbers in the Q this year.

Philippe Paradis
Position: Center
DOB: Born Jan 2 1991 -- Dolbeau, PQ
Height 6.01 -- Weight 196 -- Shoots L

Year GM G A Pts PIM
2009-10 63 24 20 44 104

Is anyone else as excited about Paradis' upside as I am? I think Paradis has the potential to become our number 2 centre (eventually). Has anyone else been following him?

Remember we gave up Jiri Tlusty who's been very unimpressive for the Canes:
YEAR TEAM LG G G A PTS PIM
2009-10 Carolina Hurricanes NHL 18 1 5 6 6
2009-10 Albany River Rats AHL 16 6 6 12 8


I think this might be the most underrated trade of the year. Furthermore, I believe Burke fleeced Rutherford (or whatever his name is) in Carolina....

Who's with me?!
From what I gather, he's not a centre but rather plays left wing. He's also at least 6'2, and looks to be more of a power forward 'project' type. I'd guess it'll be a couple more years before we see this kid get a stint with the Leafs. Have only seen him play sparingly, but have gotten this info second hand. I'm excited that this kid could be able to at least fill a bottom six role well, potentially a second line role.

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Give him a few years and he should be decent, 3rd liner, conditional 2nd liner.

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Would like to see a highlight reel or maybe catch a game before I get my hopes up. He mos def has good size, but I'd like to see his work with and without the puck.

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At the same age Tlusty was putting up over a point per game in the AHL and playing in the NHL as well.

Hard to say it's a "fleecing" to date.

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24 goals (44 points) & 104 pim in 63 games doesn't impressive you for an 18/19 year old kid in junior (Q)?
no, they're quite bad.

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Let's look at Wendel Clark's stat at 18/19 years of age in junior (WHL):
23 goals (45 points) & 225 pim in 72 games

re you kidding me? What does he have to have the same stats as Sidney Crosby or Wayne Gretzky?

His stats are almost identical to Wendel Clark's stats (except for the fact that Wendy had 100 more pims)...and Clark turned out to be more then a third liner....
1) Wendel Clark was a defenseman in junior

2) You've got your numbers all mixed up. At Paradis' age this year, Clark was already in the NHL.

Here's how Clark and Paradis compare in junior:

17yrs - pre-draft year

W.Clark: 72gms, 23gls, 68pts (82gms, 26gls, 77pts)
P.Paradis: 45gms, 11gls, 23pts (82gms, 20gls, 42pts)

18yrs - draft year

W.Clark: 64gms, 32gls, 87pts (82gms, 41gls, 112pts)
P.Paradis: 66gms, 19gls, 50pts (82gms, 24gls, 62pts)

and Clark was a defenseman for these two years.

19yrs - post-draft year

W.Clark: IN THE NHL: 66gms, 34gls, 45pts (82gms, 42gls, 56pts)
P.Paradis: IN JUNIOR: 63gms, 24gls, 44pts (82gms, 31gls, 57pts)

At the same age, Clark was better in the NHL than Paradis is in the CHL.

It's not close.


Paradis' numbers are horrible. So bad that it makes it doubtful he can ever make the NHL, even as a grinder.

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If Paradis has even a splinter of Wendel in him i'm happy.

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Paradis' numbers are horrible. So bad that it makes it doubtful he can ever make the NHL, even as a grinder.
agreed. when i read the original post, i was looking for the impressive numbers. couldn't find them.

his poor production makes me wonder if he has the basic skills to play in the nhl. even nhl grinders put up good numbers in junior.

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24 goals (44 points) & 104 pim in 63 games doesn't impressive you for an 18/19 year old kid in junior (Q)?

Let's look at Wendel Clark's stat at 18/19 years of age in junior (WHL):
23 goals (45 points) & 225 pim in 72 games

are you kidding me? What does he have to have the same stats as Sidney Crosby or Wayne Gretzky?

His stats are almost identical to Wendel Clark's stats (except for the fact that Wendy had 100 more pims)...and Clark turned out to be more then a third liner....
I'm standing with what I said regarless as to whether zeke proved you completely wrong or not. They're just not that great numbers, alot of mediocre players tore up the chl, did you think Tucker was going to be a phenom? I doubt it.

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I thought he was bigger than 6-1? I've never seen him or anything, but I thought the reports had him as this big physical presence with some decent skill.

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Paradis' numbers are horrible. So bad that it makes it doubtful he can ever make the NHL, even as a grinder.
I know you enjoy using stats, and that's all well and good. But I'm just taking a shot in the dark, that maybe the people who actually have seen this player play live, don't mind what they see.

Wouldn't mind to hear what others who have actually seen Paradis play have to say, not those who look at stats. Especially for a player who projects out as power forward.

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