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Sucker Punches: Domi vs Samuelsson, or McCarty vs Lemieux

View Poll Results: Which Sucker Punch Did You Enjoy Seeing The Most?
Domi vs Samuelsson 41 56.94%
McCarty vs Lemieux 31 43.06%
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04-01-2010, 07:21 PM
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I don't really care whether he's a fighter. If you are going to play dirty, you should be aware that you will be expected to answer the bell. If you don't like that, don't play dirty.

Moore wasn't a fighter either yet after the Naslund hit (which in my opinion was far less dirty than a lot of things I've seen Samuelsson and Lemieux do), he willingly answered the bell to the first comer. He didn't answer the second comer but he shouldn't have had to, he did the honourable thing already.
Answer the bell? How are you suposed to answer the bell when some mickey mouse fighter throws a fist in your face? Domi was a dirty player too and Ulfie might have some almost career ending stuff in his resume Domi has some almost life ending.

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Answer the bell? How are you suposed to answer the bell when some mickey mouse fighter throws a fist in your face? Domi was a dirty player too and Ulfie might have some almost career ending stuff in his resume Domi has some almost life ending.
His point was Domi was always ready to fight whoever he had to on the ice. Ulfi is a completely other story. He rarely fought and picked his spots. He ended 3 NHL careers and Tie Domi ended 0 NHL careers. Both dirty players but one of them was the most hated in the NHL player at the time and his last name wasn't Domi.

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Domi-Samuelsson, he certainly had that coming. Plus I always liked Claude. But one thing I did like about Ulfie, he knew the deal and accepted the fact that he played like a jerk and had this kind of thing coming to him. If I recall, he held no grudge on this and did no whining about it.

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04-06-2010, 10:15 AM
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Definitely the Domi-Samuelsson shot. Lemieux answered the bell for the Draper hit when given the opportunity, plus he didn't have nearly the cheapshot pedigree that Ulfie had.

My all-time favorite though was Owen Nolan blasting Gino Odjick from behind into the boards while Odjick was repeatedly crosschecking Marco Sturm in the back. Gino was lying in a crumpled heap and I didn't feel one ounce of sympathy for him.

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Definitely the Domi-Samuelsson shot.
Second this. I remember watching the game live on CBC. Man that was a nasty punch.

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Loved seeing Pepe straight up jacked by McCarty. Can watch that over and over and it never gets old.

Same with Ulfie getting ruined by Domi.

Both guys deserved what they got.

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Should be a both option in the poll, heheh.

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04-06-2010, 02:56 PM
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I personally enjoyed Domi on Samuelson more because Ulfie had that coming for a long time and Domi got him good which made it even better.

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Ya, I don't like Domi but Samuelsson deserved everything he got.

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04-06-2010, 06:59 PM
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I read somewhere that in Domi's last season with the Jets Samuelsson speared Domi in the nuts and then wouldn't answer the bell, and Domi wanted some revenge. The next time they played each other wasn't until the game where the sucker punch took place. I will try to find the article

Edit: I found a review of the spear on Dropyourgloves.com http://www.dropyourgloves.com/Fights...161#Fight63161
That's the stuff people choose to ignore. Just like the Domi-Niedermayer incident. It wasn't random. Niedermayer cut Domi's face in multiple locations with a cross check that, because he was Niedermayer, went uncalled. That elbow happened because of what Niedermayer did and what the officials failed to do. I find it funny how people talk about McSorley/Brashear like it was the craziest stick incident ever when I've seen far worse. In fact one of the worst IMO was Niedermayer (yes same said Scott) on Peter Worrell. What blew me away was it was a full fledged two handed swing straight down on a man's head. If not for his helmet...WOW!

Back to Claude, I don't know if anyone remembers this but it is burned in my mind. Lemieux was sitting on the bench when an opponent got pinned with his head hanging over Claude's bench. You can see Claude clearly look down one end of the ice, then down the other to verify no officials can see and then BAM he delivers a wicked uppercut to the completely defenseless player. Classic Claude.

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That's the stuff people choose to ignore. Just like the Domi-Niedermayer incident. It wasn't random. Niedermayer cut Domi's face in multiple locations with a cross check that, because he was Niedermayer, went uncalled. That elbow happened because of what Niedermayer did and what the officials failed to do. I find it funny how people talk about McSorley/Brashear like it was the craziest stick incident ever when I've seen far worse. In fact one of the worst IMO was Niedermayer (yes same said Scott) on Peter Worrell. What blew me away was it was a full fledged two handed swing straight down on a man's head. If not for his helmet...WOW!

Back to Claude, I don't know if anyone remembers this but it is burned in my mind. Lemieux was sitting on the bench when an opponent got pinned with his head hanging over Claude's bench. You can see Claude clearly look down one end of the ice, then down the other to verify no officials can see and then BAM he delivers a wicked uppercut to the completely defenseless player. Classic Claude.
I don't know why so many people consider Niedermayer classy. He's done some pretty dirty things himself. People wanted Domi crucified, yet Scott drops his stick like an axe on Worrell's head.

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Domi on Samuelsson. Claude was cheap, but wasn't even close to Samuellson in that regard.

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Should be a both option in the poll, heheh.
Quoted for truth.

Since the poll only has two choices, I voted for Domi vs. Samuelsson. Ulfie wrecked Cam Neely's leg & thus his career.

Both of these ******** got exactly what he deserved. No pity or sympathy for either of them from me.

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I don't know why so many people consider Niedermayer classy. He's done some pretty dirty things himself. People wanted Domi crucified, yet Scott drops his stick like an axe on Worrell's head.
In 3 decades + of watching hockey, Niedermayer's stick on Worrell was one of the few times my jaw dropped.

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His point was Domi was always ready to fight whoever he had to on the ice. Ulfi is a completely other story. He rarely fought and picked his spots. He ended 3 NHL careers and Tie Domi ended 0 NHL careers. Both dirty players but one of them was the most hated in the NHL player at the time and his last name wasn't Domi.
Which careers did he destroy? Ridiculous statement. Domi was ready to fight cause he were an enforcer Ulf was not. Ulf deserves respect though. He never ***** and whined when ppl took revenge on him.

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Which careers did he destroy? Ridiculous statement. Domi was ready to fight cause he were an enforcer Ulf was not. Ulf deserves respect though. He never ***** and whined when ppl took revenge on him.
That's a good one.

I just viewed the Neidermayer/Worrell incident. It was bad, but I think Chris Simon's hit on Hollweg was worse.

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Which careers did he destroy? Ridiculous statement. Domi was ready to fight cause he were an enforcer Ulf was not. Ulf deserves respect though. He never ***** and whined when ppl took revenge on him.
Respect is earned. I believe you and I have different definitions of what is to be respected.

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That's a good one.

I just viewed the Neidermayer/Worrell incident. It was bad, but I think Chris Simon's hit on Hollweg was worse.
I'm not saying there haven't been any worse, just it is one of the few times my jaw has dropped.

What gets me is how often these things could be avoided if officials called original penalties (though that wasn't really the case in the Worrell incident).

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Back to Claude, I don't know if anyone remembers this but it is burned in my mind. Lemieux was sitting on the bench when an opponent got pinned with his head hanging over Claude's bench. You can see Claude clearly look down one end of the ice, then down the other to verify no officials can see and then BAM he delivers a wicked uppercut to the completely defenseless player. Classic Claude.
I believe the incident that you refer to happened during the 1995 season and involved Brett Lindros. The clip is shown on Rockem Sockem 7, if I remember correctly.

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Domis punch on Samuelsson was probably the most cowardly cheapshot of all times. No matterwhat Ulfie had done before that matters. People who likes this because Ulf was a "dirty" player are hypocrites.

Claude vs. McCarty is another thing though as Claude shoulve expected it. He knew Darren were on the ice and he knew the wings wanted to get him. I enjoyed it but I wouldve enjoyed it more if McCarty got him a bit more fair.
Samuelsson deserved it. Anyone who picked a fight with Ulf cleanly would see him run on skates behind the next biggest teammate, or turtle like a coward. And this was a guy who needed the harsh lessons of a good beating. He would routinely throw a punch or two to someone's face, while wearing a visor, and then run away. If the player went for a big clean hit in retaliation, he would see it coming, brace for it and dive and pretend he was shot in order to draw a penalty.

At that point, players were expected to pay the piper for their actions and enforcers meant something. Ulf never did.

He ended Mondou's career with a stick to the eye after Mondou scored a goal(Samuelsson's stickwork was almost as legendary as his intentional knee on knees)

He wrecked Neely's career in its peak with the intentional knee on knee. He busted Skrudland's leg up very badly, and tried to do the same thing to countless others. Intentionally. Every single game. A knee, a stick to the eye, spearing(To the groin), Butt ending, slew footing, Elbowing, you name it. When he slashed, he aimed for the unprotected area above the glove, and slashed hard enough to break bones. When he knew someone had an injury, he targetted that part of their body every time he was on the ice. He wore pads that were more metallic than actual padding on the outside and the size of football pads so he could check people in the head and knock them out cold. Where do you think he got the nickname Robocop from?

That particular game, he had taken several cheap shots, and then ran away ever time anyone came near him.

Multiple players in the NHL who were generally considered classy, anti-violent players praised Domi's punch in "It is about time", "He deserves a raise", "I usually don't agree with such, but if anyone deserved it..." fashion.

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I'm not saying there haven't been any worse, just it is one of the few times my jaw has dropped.

What gets me is how often these things could be avoided if officials called original penalties (though that wasn't really the case in the Worrell incident).
Totally agree.

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Domis punch on Samuelsson was probably the most cowardly cheapshot of all times. No matterwhat Ulfie had done before that matters. People who likes this because Ulf was a "dirty" player are hypocrites.

Claude vs. McCarty is another thing though as Claude shoulve expected it. He knew Darren were on the ice and he knew the wings wanted to get him. I enjoyed it but I wouldve enjoyed it more if McCarty got him a bit more fair.
No, Samuelsson deserved it.

Actually, he deserved quite a few more as well. Claude was cheap, but he wasn't any Samuelsson.

He was a ****ing disgrace. What he did to players time and time again.. Ugh.

Go back and watch his games. He was throwing elbows, boards, headhunting and purposefully giving players the stick to the face literally every game. If he were playing in todays NHL he'd be suspended every other game. What a piece of ****.

My only regret is taht Domi didn't hit him harder.

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Neely speaks the truth.

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