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03-29-2010, 07:59 PM
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2009 Draft...The real top 10

After almost a full season of NHL Hockey, AHL Hockey and Junior leagues...we more thoroughly understand and can examine the top 10 draft selections in the 2009 NHL entry draft. If the teams could do it all over again, who do you think they select? Does it change? Does it stay the same? What order would you put them in.

1. John Tavares, N.Y. Islanders, c, London (OHL)

2. Victor Hedman, Tampa Bay, d, Modo (Sweden)

3. Matt Duchene, Colorado, c, Brampton (OHL)

4. Evander Kane, Atlanta, c, Vancouver (WHL)

5. Brayden Schenn, Los Angeles, c, Brandon (WHL).

6. Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Phoenix, d, Leksand (Sweden)

7. Nazem Kadri, Toronto, c, London (OHL)

8. Scott Glennie, Dallas, rw, Brandon (WHL)

9. Jared Cowan, Ottawa, d, Spokane (WHL)

10. Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, Edmonton, lw, Timra (Sweden).

Steal of the top ten? Questionable pick? What do you think?

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Do it over? Somehow get that 3rd pick for Duchene

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Very interesting Post...I think that right now, the order would stay the same. This is only because the draft was so recent, and we won't really be able to see if these picks were smart or not until a couple years down the road.

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Do it over? Somehow get that 3rd pick for Duchene
No im saying if teams had the same picks...Would they make the same decisions they made on draft day....i tend to think not.

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No im saying if teams had the same picks...Would they make the same decisions they made on draft day....i tend to think not.
It's way too early to tell.

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Way too early to tell, but MPS is a high risk/high reward player imo. Could work out great for the Oilers.

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I also think Duchene might've gotten taken first.... I thought there was a chance that he might but then again what do I know

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a bit premature haha

but I think somehow Kadri moves up, seeing as he has dominated the O in the past few months

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Larsson also high risk high reward

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Hedman and Kane were taken to early

Kadri and MSP were taken to late

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a bit premature haha

but I think somehow Kadri moves up, seeing as he has dominated the O in the past few months
Personally I would switch Kadri and B.Schenn. I don't think Schenn belongs in the top 5, I don't know why but I just don't see "it" in Schenn. He just doesn't have the elite skill or great skating ability, personally I think Kadri is far more skilled and has a higher ceiling than Schenn, although Schenn will probably be a solid, dependable 2nd line centre in the future (kind of like Kesler). Schenn is the safer pick but Kadri has more talent.

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I think the teams might still pick the same because of needs...but in terms of the best players I think Duchene seriously challenges Tavares for the #1 and definitely beats out Hedman. You could make a case for Kane over Hedman aswell.

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Lets do the 06 or 07 draft instead, at least you have somewhat of a gauge with those drafts.

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Tavares would be number 3, any slip and the guy falls (because of the pressure he's under)

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07 would be

Kane
JVR
Gagner
Voracek
Backlund

as the top 5

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Personally I would switch Kadri and B.Schenn. I don't think Schenn belongs in the top 5, I don't know why but I just don't see "it" in Schenn. He just doesn't have the elite skill or great skating ability, personally I think Kadri is far more skilled and has a higher ceiling than Schenn, although Schenn will probably be a solid, dependable 2nd line centre in the future (kind of like Kesler). Schenn is the safer pick but Kadri has more talent.
This.

Furthermore, Tavares is still #1 no question. He's having the kind of season that Stamkos had last year, and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a sophmore season just as good as Stamkos.

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Tavares would be number 3, any slip and the guy falls (because of the pressure he's under)
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07 would be

Kane
JVR
Gagner
Voracek
Backlund

as the top 5
I would put Perron in place of Backlund. But man, that was an awful, awful draft, definitely the worst in the last decade. Luckily we traded away the 2007 draft pick for Toskala instead of the 2008 draft pick.

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I think just based on this season it would have been, in my personal opinion:
1. Duchene
2. Tavares
3. Kane
4. Hedman
5. Kadri
6. Schenn
7. Kreider
8. Kulikov
9. Ashton
10. Holland

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Personally I would switch Kadri and B.Schenn. I don't think Schenn belongs in the top 5, I don't know why but I just don't see "it" in Schenn. He just doesn't have the elite skill or great skating ability, personally I think Kadri is far more skilled and has a higher ceiling than Schenn, although Schenn will probably be a solid, dependable 2nd line centre in the future (kind of like Kesler). Schenn is the safer pick but Kadri has more talent.
Schenn was taken for his safety as a pick because he's a lot more likely to be a big contributor at the NHL level than Kadri. With Schenn, the only knock on his game is that he problaby doesn't have the offence to ever be a first line talent.

This is similar to the Tyler Myers / Luke Schenn comparison the year before. Schenn was basically a guarantee to make the NHL and become a top 4 defenceman because he was already at NHL level when drafted. Tyler Myers was still very raw, had some coordination problems because of his height & wasn't regarded as overly physical. It turns out that Myers spent last season working on all of those things and is now poised to become a star in the NHL, whereas Schenn will stick around, but likely never become close to what Tyler Myers is. While you can say that in hindsight we made a bad pick, hindsight is 20/20. Had the Leafs taken Myers at 5 (or even 7), they would've faced a very significant possibility that Myers didn't have what it took to make the NHL.

The knock on Kadri isn't the skill or the offence. Its the head & the size and he's done absolutely nothing to show that he's improved on those weaknesses (which will be the cause of his downfall if he fails). Therefore, at this point there is little reason to increase his valuation from 1 year ago.

The knock on Schenn is the offence, and he's done a good job of allowing those numbers to grow. He played in 11 less games this year, yet managed to score 2 more goals and 9 more assists. Now, this is problably mostly attributable to one more year of age and experience rather than a revolution in his offensive game, but he is certainly on track as he was tied for 4th in scoring in the WHL while playing significantly less games than everyone infront of him except for Eberle (who is a year older).

Infact, if you look at the offensive numbers alone, you've got Schenn in his 3rd WHL year and Kadri in his 4th OHL year putting up extremely similar totals in a similar amount of games..... and if you don't consider offensive talent, Schenn is the better player hands down. Granted, Schenn plays with better offensive players (he does lead them though)... but there really isn't a lot of solid evidence to say that Kadri is going to be this elite offensive talent; specially when you consider that scorign in the WHL is typically more difficult than the OHL. Tyler Seguin is a player who is younger and has significantly less OHL experience, yet complete domiantes him offensively on a Whalers team that isn't much to write home about.


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The steal was Svensson over Cowen and Glennie. Cowen was the worst top-10 pick by far...

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I think just based on this season it would have been, in my personal opinion:
1. Duchene
2. Tavares
3. Kane
4. Hedman
5. Kadri
6. Schenn
7. Kreider
8. Kulikov
9. Ashton
10. Holland
How do you figure Carter Ashton rises so high?

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Ekman Larsson is so underrated.

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Ekman Larsson is so underrated.
Not by people who know what they're talking about... The scouts love him.

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How do you figure Carter Ashton rises so high?
After the obvious top-8, him and Holland I figure have progressed the farthest, and Ashton seems to really be settling in to a certain, prototypical power-forward game which all covet.

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