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Well, I guess Staal will be expecting 4M for his Contract this Offseason

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03-31-2010, 09:20 AM
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Staal is awesome. So underrated around the league. He's as steady as they get. And I'm loving the offense he's beginning to provide. Pay the man.

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You mean like Staal has been doing? I like Orpik but the only thing he has over Staal is hitting. I'm not about to start guessing what Staal might get on his new contract, though.



For sure. I think Staal is actually pretty underrated around here. He does things in his own zone that you only see the top defensive defensemen in the league do.

He's not perfect. He could get better at some things and become a true top shutdown defenseman, but so many things that he does do fly under the radar and are really unappreciated.
Exactly! It may not show up in the box score, but it's just as important as a goal or assist. He uses that big body to protect the puck and his long reach to poke check. He does handle the puck really well too. Yea, he makes mistakes. But even the veterans do from time to time.

He hasn't flattened guy's out yet with Stevens type hits yet but he's capable. As good as he is now. It's scary to think how good he's going to be 5 years from now!! At 23 years old he's a beast. Then he's only going to get stronger, more confident and comfortable playing at this level.

With people like Ovechkin and Crosby in the league, how could you not want them having to deal with Staal every game. I would even take another player just like him and have the hockey version of the Houston Rocket's twin towers of years ago. Or was that the Spurs? IDK.

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03-31-2010, 09:39 AM
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Guess Staal will want 4.5m now that he scored the GWG last night

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In his last 19 games Staal has only been a minus in two of those games. He has played about 22-23 minutes a game during that time

Staal and Girardi in general have been very steady during that time. It's the other d-men that have less us down

I would try to sign Staal for 3.5 for 4-5 year. He would be around 27-28 after that contract and in his prime

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03-31-2010, 11:09 AM
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Guess Staal will want 4.5m now that he scored the GWG last night

No worries.. Slats did not see the goal.. He was on his boat, smoking a cigar, somehere in the Atlantic ocean, doing some fishing....

Seriously, that shot by Staal was the goods... Not a bad finish at all.. This guy just screams solid top pairing NHL defenseman for the next 12-15 years. He may very well command 4.5 million or higher... He is worth it..

Not sure how this will affect the Rangers salary cap...

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03-31-2010, 11:17 AM
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Because he's better then Letang?
Letang and Staal play two different games, bringing different qualities to the table imo. I find it hard to compare the two because Letang to me is more of an offensive player than Staal and I'm not basing that on stats.

Letang over the last 3 years has put up point totals of: 27*, 33, 17

Staal: 25*, 15, 10

*-current season

Staal has pretty much played full seasons the two years before this one playing in 82 and 80 games respectively while Letang has played in 74 and 63 respectively.

And this year Letang has missed time again. He has played in just 67 compared to Staal playing in 76.

So you really cant compare stats as the OP did as part of his opening argument. Letang produces more and Staal is a shutdown defenseman. I dont see how that means Staal should earn $4 million. I think getting around the same amount as Letang is very fair.

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Staal is awesome. So underrated around the league. He's as steady as they get. And I'm loving the offense he's beginning to provide. Pay the man.
He's only underrated in comparison to other teams' young d-men.

When it comes to trade proposals from other teams it usually starts with Marc. He must be pretty good if he's in such high demand.

Whatever he's signed for I hope the negotiations are more like Callahan's than Dubinsky's.


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Its not 2 first and 2nd and a 3rd. Its 1 1st, 1 2nd and 1 3rd.

http://www.nhlscap.com/offer_sheets.htm
Actually, it's even worse. That is the 2008-09 compensation rules.

This is the 2009-10 comp rules:

http://www.mynhltraderumors.com/2009...ed-free-agent/

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2009 Compensation

$994,433 or below - None
$994,433 to $1,506,716 - 3rd round pick
$1,506,716 to $3,013,434 - 2nd round pick
$3,013,434 to $4,520,150 - 1st and 3rd round pick
$4,520,150 to $6,026,867 - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$6,026,867 to $7,533,584 - 2 1st round picks, a 2nd and 3rd round pick
$7,533,584 - 4 1st round picks
The 2010-11 compensation rules will likely be the same or worse. I believe they are announced in June. I was surprised that it changed so much last year considering that the cap stayed about the same. It's almost like they want more offer sheets handed out.

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He's only underrated in comparison to other teams' young d-men.

When it comes to trade proposals from other teams it usually starts with Marc. He must be pretty good if he's in such high demand.

Whatever he's signed for I hope the negotiations are more line Callahan's than Dubinsky's.
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In my opinion, I would sign him to a 5-year contract worth $20. Keep him for a bit. He's young, good, and only is getting better.

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Jack Johnson> Marc Staal.
Staal is a better defenseman that Johnson, easily. He is light years ahead defensively and only has 6 less points on a much crappier team. He also logs a lot more ice time.

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03-31-2010, 02:41 PM
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In my opinion, I would sign him to a 5-year contract worth $20. Keep him for a bit. He's young, good, and only is getting better.
Just a hutch, but i think he will be expecting more then $4 a season. After taxes he'd probably only get $3.

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Staal deserves around 3.5m

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Marc Staal is like...and I say this loosely... our modern-day version of Harry Howell.

No ****ing way we are letting him go anytime soon regardless of the contract.

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Give him the money!

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Jack Johnson> Marc Staal.
Jack Johnson has more overall upside than Marc Staal.

Today, Marc Staal > Jack Johnson. In the future, Jack Johnson has all the tools to be a premier d-man in the NHL but he clearly isn't one yet.

On a Los Angeles team with a relatively decent +- rating for most of their players, Johnson is a -18. In fact, out of all LA defensemen who have played 60 games or more this season, Johnson is the only player with a - plus/minus rating, which should tell you something because it's a -18. Not like it's a -1 or -2 and everyone else is a plus. Three of LA's defensemen are +12 or over.

Staal logs the most minutes out of any Rangers d-man. He's a +6 and has the same amount of goals as Jack Johnson with 6 less assists (not surprising since the Rangers don't have the offensive capabilities LA has).

Staal > Jack Johnson right now. Jack Johnson has more "potential" than Staal. I think if you ask Kings fans who they'd rather have, they'd probably take Staal right now.

I'm not a fan of the Rangers or LA, this is just my take on this.

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I emailed Andrew Gross and asked him about Staal and if there has been any discussions with his agent. Here's his reply:

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Talked to Staal and had a brief in about that around a week or so ago.
Essentially, Mark said he and his agent haven't heard anything from the
Rangers all season and they're expecting to wait until the offseason to work
on a deal. Rangers obviously are in a tight spot because they have to keep
Staal but, based on what they're paying Redden and Rozsival, he's probably
going to be looking for a minimum of $4 million per season. Still, both
sides want it done so it should come together.
Not sure I agree since what Redden and Rozy make has no bearing on a non-arbitration eligible RFA. If Staal wants 4 mil a year, then he'll have to sign for at least 4 years. Otherwise I seriously doubt Sather gives him that much.

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anything over 3.5 is too much, 4 at the most. but, sather will be sather.

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I should edit the title to read 5M now, back to back games with goals!

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if he continues to develop, he'll be worth it. I think it definitely has a lot to do with the last name on his jersey, his brothers deserve at least a dinner on him if he gets the deal

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I should edit the title to read 5M now, back to back games with goals!
Told u so.

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If we can get Staal locked up for $4million for five or six years, by the last two years he'll be grossly underpaid and the team will save some $$$.

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I don't care what it takes (within reason). Marc Staal MUST be re-signed. The longer, the better.

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But he's quit progressing!! Wahhh

Staal is a rock and is having a great season. Every single one of his 26 points have come at even strength. Since about midway through the season he has been nothing short of excellent

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I don't care what it takes (within reason). Marc Staal MUST be re-signed. The longer, the better.
7 years, 5 per?

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