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Best reffed game of the playoffs, perhaps best game too.

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05-04-2004, 01:34 AM
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Best reffed game of the playoffs, perhaps best game too.

Game 6 was an awesome game. The refs did an OUTSTANDING job. (and of course the players) but they were even, and made great judgement calls on pretty much every play.

But just seeing a thread every game the refs blow, deserves a credit thread to the refs.

I personally thought it was the best one nothing game ive ever seen. The goaltenders were fantastic. Nobody can complain that joseph choked this year. Great job by him. He even won them the first round. Detroit has WAY bigger question marks. In fact their whole powerhouse may be falling. Maybe it's time for them to rebuild.

As for the flames, they are relentless. I dont know if i can see any team beating them at this rate. It'll take a HUGE effort by TB, SJ, Tor, Col, Or Pha to derail them from their stanley cup tracks.

Another goal by gelinas too. This guys a heartbreaker specialist. First toronto in 2002, then vancouver , and now detroit.

Good luck to the flames in the next round.

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It wasn't a great reffed game, but better than most IMO.

They missed the blatant Hatcher elbow early on.

Also the call on Lidstrom was very weak IMO.

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It wasn't a great reffed game, but better than most IMO.

They missed the blatant Hatcher elbow early on.

Also the call on Lidstrom was very weak IMO.
They did miss the Hatcher elbow, but Hatcher did do a good job of hiding it with how quick he delivered it.

The call on Lidstrom was bang on. The puck was right there for the Flames player to bury into an open net, and Lidstrom took the scoring chance away.

I thought Fraser and Van Massenhoven did a spectacular job.

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I thought the refs were ok, there was a lot of stuff that got let go on both sides, but it keep the flow going.

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They did miss the Hatcher elbow, but Hatcher did do a good job of hiding it with how quick he delivered it.

The call on Lidstrom was bang on. The puck was right there for the Flames player to bury into an open net, and Lidstrom took the scoring chance away.
I disagree. Lidstrom got to the spot first and had body poistion on the Flame (Gelinas, I think). Lidstom wasn't hooking him down from behind. and i was rooting for the Flames

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Reffing was pretty good except for the missed Hatcher call

best games this playoffs
1- game 6 Vancouver/Calgary (because I was there)
2- game 7 Vancouver/Calgary (because of all the emotional turns)
3- game 6 Detroit/Calgary (best 1-0 game evah~!)
4- game 2 Philly/Toronto (very good game)
5- game 5 Philly/Toronto (Toronto got nailed!) tied with game 3 Calgary/Detroit

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I felt the reffing sucked just as badly as in any other NHL game.

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Aside from Hatchers blatant elbow, the officiating was alright.

The linesemen were brutal, however.

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3 things really bugged me... penelty wise, I thought it was alright - Inconsistant from period to period, but alright, but 3 things bugged me:

1. Maltby removing the net from its pegs - clear penelty shot
2. The Hatcher hit... my buddy said he saw Fraser kind of brush his shoulder when Sutter was talking to him. But that is strictly 2nd hand info.
3. When Cujo's net was removed, Fraser looked at it, skated off and said play on, play on... what the hell?

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3 things really bugged me... penelty wise, I thought it was alright - Inconsistant from period to period, but alright, but 3 things bugged me:

1. Maltby removing the net from its pegs - clear penelty shot
2. The Hatcher hit... my buddy said he saw Fraser kind of brush his shoulder when Sutter was talking to him. But that is strictly 2nd hand info.
3. When Cujo's net was removed, Fraser looked at it, skated off and said play on, play on... what the hell?
Ill add 2 things. The Nieminen Check from behind on McCarty should of been called.

And there is no rule that says When the net is pushed off in the 1st or 2nd period, its a penalty shot. Let along "clear penalty shot." I dont know where people are coming up with this... Its NOT a rule.

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3 things really bugged me... penelty wise, I thought it was alright - Inconsistant from period to period, but alright, but 3 things bugged me:

1. Maltby removing the net from its pegs - clear penelty shot
2. The Hatcher hit... my buddy said he saw Fraser kind of brush his shoulder when Sutter was talking to him. But that is strictly 2nd hand info.
3. When Cujo's net was removed, Fraser looked at it, skated off and said play on, play on... what the hell?
1. Niemenin boarding McCarty from behind.
2. The hook on Datsyuk in the 1st period that directly led to a 3 on 2 for the Flames.

It goes both ways people. This is why I get soooo tired of threads like this. Most fans only see one side. I agree that the 3 things you posted were missed calls on the Wings. But there were missed calls on the Flames too. Thats why its so redundant to continuously go over this after each and every game.

Refs miss stuff both ways. In almost every game.

The officiating wasnt all that bad in this series, in my opinion. Its never going to be great, but it was pretty decent all in all....for BOTH teams.

Flames outplayed the Wings. Thats the bottom line. The better team will usually always end up winning in the end. Regardless of officiating. So stop worrying so much about it.

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The Nieminen Check from behind on McCarty should of been called.
For every hit like that, there wa McCarty on Leopold.

That's why I didn't ***** about 2 hit from behinds on Leopold, because the Flames did the same.

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It goes both ways people. This is why I get soooo tired of threads like this. Most fans only see one side. I agree that the 3 things you posted were missed calls on the Wings. But there were missed calls on the Flames too. Thats why its so redundant to continuously go over this after each and every game.
I'm not *****ing about certain plays that lead to 2 minute penelties, I'm talking about clear as day calls, NOTE 3 is has NOTHING to do with penelties or scoring chances.

Call it by the book

PS: Pushing the net off when there is a good scoring chance is a PS

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I thought the whole series was reffed poorly. I know in the playoffs the refs let a lot of stuff slide, but the obstruction, holding, slashing, and tripping never ended. On every shift a player was taken down, and the refs never let them play hockey. Both teams had plenty of injuries because of it. I'm all for a physical series, but that clutch and grab stuff gets old.

Note that both teams played the same way, i just wish the refs would have called it by the books.

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3 things really bugged me... penelty wise, I thought it was alright - Inconsistant from period to period, but alright, but 3 things bugged me:

1. Maltby removing the net from its pegs - clear penelty shot
2. The Hatcher hit... my buddy said he saw Fraser kind of brush his shoulder when Sutter was talking to him. But that is strictly 2nd hand info.
3. When Cujo's net was removed, Fraser looked at it, skated off and said play on, play on... what the hell?
I'm pretty sure Fraser told Cujo he would blow the whistle when flames got the puck since the wings had control and it was hit off by a flame.

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best game of the playoffs was definitely Game 6 CGY-VAN

4-0 lead, tied 4-4... game winning goal in third OT

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I felt the reffing sucked just as badly as in any other NHL game.
As I have said before, a well officiated game is impossible for some people.


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1. Maltby removing the net from its pegs - clear penelty shot

Rule 51 (c)

A minor penalty shall be imposed on any player (including the goalkeeper) who delays the game by deliberately displacing a goal post from its normal position. The Referee or Linesmen shall stop play immediately when a goal post has been displaced.

If the goal post is deliberately displaced by a goalkeeper or player during the course of a "breakaway," a penalty shot will be awarded to the non-offending Team, which shot shall be taken by the player last in possession of the puck.

(NOTE) A player with a "breakaway" is defined as a player in control of the puck with no opposition between him and the opposing goal and with a reasonable scoring opportunity.

In the event that a goalpost is deliberately displaced by a defending player or goalkeeper, prior to the puck crossing the goal line between the normal position of the goalposts, the Referee, at his discretion, may assess a minor penalty under Rule 51(c) (paragraph 1), a penalty shot under Rule 51(d), or award a goal.

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Rule 51 (d)

If by reason of insufficient time in the regular playing time or by reason of penalties already imposed, the minor penalty assessed to a player for deliberately displacing his own goal post cannot be served in its entirety within the regular playing time of the game or at any time in overtime, a penalty shot shall be awarded against the offending Team.

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In simple words...

Rule 51 (c) ...A minor penalty is to be called if the net is intentionally displaced by the defending team prior to the puck entering the net. However, if the net is intentionally displaced by the defending team while an opponent is on a breakaway, a penalty shot is awarded. Another exception is if there is less than 2 minutes remaining in the third period or at anytime in overtime. In that situation, a penalty shot is automatic, breakaway or not.

Rule 51 (d) ...This is mostly just big words for a penalty shot being awarded for intentionally displacing the net in the last 2 minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime.

The phrase "by reason of penalties already imposed" means that if the defending team is already at a 2-man disadvantage whereas the Delay Of Game minor penalty would not start until there is less than 2 minutes left in regulation time, then a penalty shot would be awarded.

For example...

Player A - Penalty with 3:50 remaining...ends at 1:50
Player B - Penalty with 3:00 remaining...ends at 1:00
Player C - Delay of Game with 2:30 remaining...cannot start until 1:50.

Player C's Delay of Game in this situation would call for a penalty shot despite there being 2:30 left on the clock.


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Ill add 2 things. The Nieminen Check from behind on McCarty should of been called.

And there is no rule that says When the net is pushed off in the 1st or 2nd period, its a penalty shot. Let along "clear penalty shot." I dont know where people are coming up with this... Its NOT a rule.
God if we are calling checks from behind there was 2-3 of them that could have easily ben called on the Red Wings. Mat "Cross Check People From Behind" Sch. got to learn how to take the body without hitting from behind.

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The Referee or Linesmen shall stop play immediately when a goal post has been displaced.
So why were the Red Wings allowed to rush down the ice when the net was clearly dislodged?

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Any game reffed by Fraser is going to be a good game with flow to it, cuz he lets them play. Not everything can possibly be seen by the officials, but he did a good job managing what he could see, and anything that was called, you knew before the game that Fraser was going to make that call in that situation.

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Fraser is one of the worst refs but he does let a lot of crap go in the playoffs. Last night's game was called pretty good for Fraser but he did miss the dumbass play by Hatcher giving the elbow... Other than that, that game was OK...

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Fraser is one of the worst refs but he does let a lot of crap go in the playoffs. Last night's game was called pretty good for Fraser but he did miss the dumbass play by Hatcher giving the elbow... Other than that, that game was OK...
Kerry Fraser is one of the best and most consistent refs in the NHL right now. Any time he's part of the officiating crew, I at least know that the calls will be made both ways.

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I felt the reffing sucked just as badly as in any other NHL game.
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The one thing I will say is that with Frasier at least you know exactly what's going to happen in a big game. He will swallow his whistle for almost the entire first period, then he gets the itch. You just can't be sure which team will get that first call so Mr. Fraiser can get his TV time. Once that happens you can breath easy until the first five minutes of the 3rd period, then he needs to scratch that itch again. Now, the only thing that messes this well planned out line of attack is if the other on ice official dares make the first call of the game instead of the senior official Frasier. Then Frasier will make his best effort to get in the makeup call during the existing powerplay to even things up. Now all of this typically blows up in Frasiers face when his gameplan is disrupted by ..."dun dun duuuuunnnn!", hypocrisy. Mr. Frasier doesn't seem to comprehend that a holding the stick penalty he let's go in the first 5 minutes of the game creates great consternation when he makes that call later in the game. This behavior can create great confusion and bafflement by players and coaches alike. Study of the great Mr. Fraiser is an applied science and once you understand the beast, it's much easier to take his unexplicable whistle blowing.

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I'm not *****ing about certain plays that lead to 2 minute penelties, I'm talking about clear as day calls, NOTE 3 is has NOTHING to do with penelties or scoring chances.

Call it by the book

PS: Pushing the net off when there is a good scoring chance is a PS

Call it by the book? I am all for that. But, once again...you bring up 3 things that happened AGAINST the Flames. The Red Wings had their fair share of bad calls go against them too. But for some reason, most people in Calgary choose to never bring those up.

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The one thing Frasier has is that he is consistant. He sucks horribly, but he is consistant.

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