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Well, I guess Staal will be expecting 4M for his Contract this Offseason

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03-30-2010, 06:07 PM
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Well, I guess Staal will be expecting 4M for his Contract this Offseason

Letang just got 3.5M, both are the same age, both have almost the same point totals (Staal 24, Letang 27) and both are set to be RFA this offseason. Well obviously not Letang anymore.

Staal is #2 dman right now, Letang is a top 4 dman right now. Staal's agent will use Letang's contract as leverage now. Talk about worst case scenario.

Thanks Ray Shero for giving Letang that much for a soon to be RFA.

Look at this thread with people laughing about the idea of giving Staal 3M a season:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=731611

Going to be a lot of unhappy people I guess when Staal gets his contract.

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One has to wonder if Letang and his contract looked at Redden and his contract as leverage....

Maybe it's not Shero's fault, but Sathers fault...because it's always Sathers fault.

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Letang just got 3.5M, both are the same age, both have almost the same point totals (Staal 24, Letang 27) and both are set to be RFA this offseason. Well obviously not Letang anymore.

Staal is #2 dman right now, Letang is a top 4 dman right now. Staal's agent will use Letang's contract as leverage now. Talk about worst case scenario.

Thanks Ray Shero for giving Letang that much for a soon to be RFA.

Look at this thread with people laughing about the idea of giving Staal 3M a season:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=731611

Going to be a lot of unhappy people I guess when Staal gets his contract.
Where do you get 4m from and not 3.5?

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I like Staal, but he's not playing like a guy who should be getting $3.75MM per season; especially as an RFA.

As for someone looking at Redden's contract...I assume that was a joke.

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Staal deserves around 3.5. I hope he'll settle for a little over 3 though, would really cut us a break.


For every Letang theres another comparative who looks better.

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Where do you get 4m from and not 3.5?
Because he's better then Letang?

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Where do you get 4m from and not 3.5?
From the fact that Staal plays more minutes on a nightly basis against the best players for the other team.

However, if Sather wants to give him a shorter deal I would have to think the amount would go down. Shero is trying to pay him a little more now so he doesnt have to pay him after next year when Letang will take over for Gonchar's PP minutes and most likely rack up the points. It may turn out to be a pretty smart deal if he plays well next season.

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Staal will take what Sather gives him or has to match. Won't be $4 mil.

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I like Staal, but he's not playing like a guy who should be getting $3.75MM per season; especially as an RFA.

As for someone looking at Redden's contract...I assume that was a joke.
Would you give Staal 3.5 million/season for 4 years? I would just to get him set at a specific number for the long-term. He may not earn it next season but if he keeps progressing he will earn in the 2nd season and after that he will be a bargain.

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Offensive defenseman usually have higher salaries than defensive defenseman like Staal. That's why defenseman like Markov and Rafalski get paid closer to $6 million while those like Orpik or Chris Phillips are paid around $3.5-$4 million.

Letang's struggling this year but he's normally much better than Staal offensively. He scored 10 goals last year and is great in shootouts. Letang and Staal aren't similar defenseman so I wouldn't necessarily use Letang's contract as a guideline for what Staal may receive.

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Would you give Staal 3.5 million/season for 4 years? I would just to get him set at a specific number for the long-term. He may not earn it next season but if he keeps progressing he will earn in the 2nd season and after that he will be a bargain.
As an Isles fan I would as well. He's 23 and eating up good minutes. He'll only get better, imo.

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I agree Staal is better, but offensive defenseman are generally paid higher than more defensive oriented guys and Letang has won a Cup, which can easily be used as a negotiating chip in some situations. I think we can expect to see Staal right around the same range, but wouldn't be surprised if we were able to get him a little lower, and I'm usually a realist/pessimist when it comes to these kinds of estimations.

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As far as I know, the Staal brothers have the same agent, Paul Krepelka. Both Jordan (4 years, 16M$) & Eric (3 years, 13,5 M$) signed juicy second contracts as RFA...

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I think I'm missing something here. Brooks Orpik gets $3.75MM as a UFA and a guy like Staal deserves something near there? While Orpik ain't perfect, he has been the guy going against other teams' top lines (and I believe Letang is paired with him now).

I think if you compare Letang and Staal, however, I'd tend to think that Letang does have a bit more offensive firepower. Unfortunately that's a bit skewed because of the team he plays on. I think it's tough for me to determine Staal's value though.

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The contracts that will be used as comprables will be Seabrook ($3.5), Suter ($3.5), Burns (Got the contract before he got hurt $3.5), Barker ($3.1), and Edler ($3.25). Letang will be added into that group too. Seabrook, Suter, and Burns (before he got hurt) are all better then Staal. Edler puts up really good offensive numbers, so he would get more money then a defensive D-man in Staal. Barker got that large of a contract because of the the Hawks contract debacle last summer, so that probably won't even be looked at.

Staal will get less then the $3.5 these other D-men got. He will get somewhere in the range of $3 million to $3.25 million.

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This comparison is awful, by the way.

Besides offensive d-men generally making more:

Letang has played 8 less games than Staal this season (and played injured in more) but has more (albeit only 3) points.

This has been Staal's BEST offensive performance of his career, coming after 10 and 15 point seasons (both in 82 games). Letang is now extended at $3.5M after having 17 (in 63 games), 33 (74 games) and 27 so far (in 67 games).

Staal is certainly better overall, in my mind, but offense is FAR easier to measure and Letang's numbers (which arbitrators look at) are clearly "better". Plus Letang has won a cup. Using Letang as a comparison, Staal wouldn't be ABLE to ask for as much.

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How much Staal gets will be greatly determined based on the number of years in the deal. The more years, the more he'll get per year (up to a certain point, obviously). That's the way it works.

The question is, will Sather offer him a long term deal to try and save cap space on the back end, or will he low ball him on a 2 year deal? Knowing Sather, my guess is on the latter, and that he deal won't get done until after July 1st. Has Sather signed any RFAs during the season other than Hank?

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Staal isn't going to give us any type of home team discount, he is gonna be looking for $4 to $5.....maybe he settles for $3.8.

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Staal will get 4.5m because his name is Staal.

If they somehow dump Redden's 6.5m, I won't complain.

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Staal isn't going to give us any type of home team discount, he is gonna be looking for $4 to $5.....maybe he settles for $3.8.
Look at the comprable players I listed a few posts up. There is no chance in hell he gets anywhere near $3.8. Those players I listed signed 3 to 4 year deals. Seabrook was on the gold medal winning team Canada in the Olympics. Suter anchored the top D pairing on team USA. Burns was being compared to Shea Weber before he got hurt. Edler had 36 points last season and is on pace 40 this year. Letang played top 4 minutes on a Stanley Cup Championship team last season, and had 33 pts last season.

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Staal will get 4.5m because his name is Staal.

If they somehow dump Redden's 6.5m, I won't complain.
Unless that is a 10 year deal for Staal, that would be terrible amount of money to give Staal. That and if the Rangers don't have the balls to dump Redden in the minors, that deal would be impossible to give and still field a somewhat competitive team.

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Knowing Glen Sather Staal will ask for 3.5 mill/yr and Glen won't budge higher than 3.35 mill/yr and let him walk like the dumb@ss GM would let him do.

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There is no chance in hell he gets anywhere near $3.8. Those players I listed signed 3 to 4 year deals. Seabrook was on the gold medal winning team Canada in the Olympics. Suter anchored the top D pairing on team USA..
You can't really use those arguments against Staal getting paid somewhere around $3.8 million. You have to look at what they had done when they signed their contracts, not what they've done since.

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You can't really use those arguments against Staal getting paid somewhere around $3.8 million. You have to look at what they had done when they signed their contracts, not what they've done since.
That's easy. Seabrook had 32pts, 24pts, and 32pts and played top 2 minutes the second and third years of his deal. Suter had 24pts and 31pts in his seasons leading up to his current contract, again playing at least top 4 minutes. I listed Letangs stats before his deal in an earlier post. I'm not sure about Burns but I think he had something like 27 pts and 45 pts before his current contract (An injury problems)

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Staal deserves 4 mill

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