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04-03-2010, 01:21 PM
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If Gainey did not sign any UFA's this summer

I was thinking of a team like Edmonton this morning, a team that was expected of more than they acheived and will now draft Taylor Hall and have the best chance of doing so.

So, if Gainey did not do anything this past summer:

Higgins - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Glumac
Laraque - Maxwell - Neilson

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Gorges
Subban - Weber

Price
Halak


Where would we have ended up?

Just imagine if Gainey had pulled this off and we were 30th overall and garaunteed to finish with the least amount of points in the league, do you think the city would of had a riot?


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Lol. I'm all for what-if's, but at least keep it a little grounded in reality. The real question is about whether he re-signed his UFAs or not.

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I was thinking of a team like Edmonton this morning, a team that was expected of more than they acheived and will now draft Taylor Hall and have the best chance of doing so.

So, if Gainey did not do anything this past summer:

Higgins - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Glumac
Laraque - Maxwell - Neilson

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Gorges
Subban - Weber

Price
Halak


Where would we have ended up?

Just imagine if Gainey had pulled this off and we were 30th overall and garaunteed to finish with the least amount of points in the league, do you think the city would of had a riot?
Assuming Markov doesn't get hurt at the start if the year, this team sucks, but the goaltending and Markov keep it out of the bottom 3. Probably something like 11th or 12th in the conference.

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04-03-2010, 01:30 PM
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Assuming Markov doesn't get hurt at the start if the year, this team sucks, but the goaltending and Markov keep it out of the bottom 3. Probably something like 11th or 12th in the conference.
That means we would of got a top 5 to 7 pick for having a garbage season when now we are going to the playoffs and are probably going to get the 15th to 20th overall pick.

Kyle Chipchura anyone? - LOL

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What if Scenario's are like if the BlackSox didn't throw the World Series in 19.

This is Impossible Scenario..
Sure the Montreal Canadiens would have played out the season with 18 Millions in cap Space, I'd love to read the newspaper in an alternate universe if that ever happened.

Even Edmonton signed Khabibulin...

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That means we would of got a top 5 to 7 pick for having a garbage season when now we are going to the playoffs and are probably going to get the 15th to 20th overall pick.

Kyle Chipchura anyone? - LOL
Unless we make it to the conference finals or finals, there is no way we pick lower than 17th (we finish 6th in the east).

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you guys would asked for Gainey's head on a silver platter

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What if Scenario's are like if the BlackSox didn't throw the World Series in 19.

This is Impossible Scenario..
Sure the Montreal Canadians would have played out the season with 18 Millions in cap Space, I'd love to read the newspaper in an alternate universe if that ever happened.

Even Edmonton signed Khabibulin...
I can't even imagine when that seemed like a good idea. Hey, this old guy had his first good season in like a decade, let's give him a ridiculous amount of money for a ridiculous amount of time.

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04-03-2010, 01:40 PM
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A lineup like that would never happen in MTL.

It was either we re-signed our old core or replace it with a younger one.

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Even without signing UFAs, we could still have had Gomez for Higgins and Pouliot for Latendresse.

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A lineup like that would never happen in MTL.

It was either we re-signed our old core or replace it with a younger one.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MTL/2001.html

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They would still have signed stopgaps.

We might actually be in a similar spot, since it's not like our offense has been stellar. Goaltending has been pretty much the only thing keeping us in a playoff spot.

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Assuming Gainey did not sign any UFAs this summer after he decided to let Kovalev, Koivu, Tanguay, Komisarek, Bouillon, Lang, Schneider, Kostopoulos et al. walk away?

Really? Well... my guess would be Molson showing him the door earlier!

In the last 7 years with Gainey at the helm, our Habs achieved "average" (average overall rank: 15) results in terms of regular season and # playoffs games played while constantly being top10 in terms of payrolls.

I expect more from Gauthier.

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Oh BTW, Edmonton is still going to suck. Their defense is even slower and less mobile than ours, and they don't even have close to the depth on forward or goal, they are a mess right now.

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I was thinking of a team like Edmonton this morning, a team that was expected of more than they acheived and will now draft Taylor Hall and have the best chance of doing so.

So, if Gainey did not do anything this past summer:

Higgins - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Glumac
Laraque - Maxwell - Neilson

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Gorges
Subban - Weber

Price
Halak


Where would we have ended up?

Just imagine if Gainey had pulled this off and we were 30th overall and garaunteed to finish with the least amount of points in the league, do you think the city would of had a riot?
we would have enough money to land kovalchuck in a habs uniform .

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That would have been as perfect time as any in Habs history to rebuild.

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Even without signing UFAs, we could still have had Gomez for Higgins and Pouliot for Latendresse.
U forgot Lord Pyatt

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That would have been as perfect time as any in Habs history to rebuild.
We did rebuild. You mean tank? Then I agree. If, of course, that's what the ownership would have liked to do, which clearly isn't.

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That would have been as perfect time as any in Habs history to rebuild.
We already re-built, did you miss the 5 yr plan to build a bubble team?

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Gainey would have become an hero.

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Not signed any UFAs? Well, Gomez and Pyatt came in a trade (not as UFAs). The Habs might have gone after Perezhogin, who I don't believe has UFA status. The Latendresse-Pouliot trade didn't involve UFAs. The Moore trade could have occurred earlier. Gainey might have talked several of the NCAA players the Habs drafted into signing.There were a number of undrafted players floating around. Finally, Gainey might have extended offer sheets to some RFAs.

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I wouldn't be watching the habs right now, my life would be less stressful, but I'd be very optimistic about draft day.

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I was thinking of a team like Edmonton this morning, a team that was expected of more than they acheived and will now draft Taylor Hall and have the best chance of doing so.

So, if Gainey did not do anything this past summer:

Higgins - Plekanec - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostitsyn
Pacioretty - Metropolit - Glumac
Laraque - Maxwell - Neilson

Markov - O'Byrne
Hamrlik - Gorges
Subban - Weber

Price
Halak


Where would we have ended up?

Just imagine if Gainey had pulled this off and we were 30th overall and garaunteed to finish with the least amount of points in the league, do you think the city would of had a riot?
D'agostini? Chipchura? Maybe they wouldn't have been traded. Also, it's not accurate to say no UFAs would be signed. We can say not the big ones, but lesser known depth players are always signed. 4th liners and such, so guys like glumac wouldn't make the team.

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We already re-built, did you miss the 5 yr plan to build a bubble team?
Currently sitting 6th, with not a single important player over 31 years old, with PK Subban on the way next year.

Now, consider the possibility, nay the LIKELIHOOD that had the club had just a normal amount of injuries, they could have had three more wins instead of losses, and if they had identified their number one goaltender earlier and he played 15 more games we could have had probably three more wins there, and suddenly the team could have been challenging for 2nd to 4th place.

Or, never the mind the what-ifs and take a cold hard stat instead. For the past 41 games, which is half an NHL season, the club is playing 22-14-5. This translates to exactly 98 points over a season, which is a top tier team pace. Bubble team? Yes, we were - barely - in the first half, but much better in the second half.

I guess my point is this: considering how quickly the standings change in this league, I have NO IDEA how you could possibly know that for the next five years, we will be a bubble team. Though it does make for a nice soundbite, and does set up the possiblity of chanting "I told ya so's" if things turn out that way.


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Currently sitting 6th, with not a single important player over 31 years old, with PK Subban on the way next year.

Now, consider the possibility, nay the LIKELIHOOD that had the club had just a normal amount of injuries, they could have had three more wins instead of losses, and if they had identified their number one goaltender earlier and he played 15 more games we could have had probably three more wins there, and suddenly the team could have been challenging for 2nd to 4th place.

Frankly, considering how quickly the standings change in this league, I have NO IDEA how you could possibly know that for the next five years, we will be a bubble team. Though it does make for a nice soundbite, and does set up the possiblity of chanting "I told ya so's" if things turn out that way.
So, our top 6 is worth 25+M$, is mostly signed to long-term contracts, with a player possibly leaving or getting a good raise, we sit 26th in goal-scoring per game and have often not been dangerous all game save for a few moments, yet we're all good?

Come on man. Injuries are a good excuse for a part of the year, but the fact is, we look at our performances recently (with a healthy squad), and if it's not for goalies bailing out the team, we're probably trying to fight our way into a playoff spot.

The fact is, goaltending has been the ONLY thing that made us a playoff squad. I can't think of any well-built teams that have only goaltending as a strong point.

This team has a style based on taking it in the ***. If you don't find it painful to watch, well, that's great. If this is what we have to look forward to on game night for the next few years, some people need to lose their jobs.

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