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04-03-2010, 04:23 PM
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More proof Torts is horrible at dealing with players

http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2010/0...medium=twitter
Been saying this for months. Torts doesn't even talk to his players. Torts and Hank went through this early this year and a few other players and reports have mentioned that after this year tons of stories with come out. Can't wait

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04-03-2010, 04:27 PM
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Brutal, absolutely brutal.

I hope Gilroy isn't scarred for life.

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Another Torts bashing post by Dagoon? Couldn't find one of your other dozen threads to throw this crap in?

Your title states: "More Proof"...

Well I don't see a drop a proof in that article.

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Brutal, absolutely brutal.

I hope Gilroy isn't scarred for life.
LOL.

We all hate Torts, but whatever happened to journalistic integrity? I can't stand the use of anonymous sources and unnamed sources "close to player X". All it does is stir the pot and draw in more readers, which I guess is all that matters today.

Gimme a direct quote from Avery telling me how bat-spit insane Torts is and then I'm interested.

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04-03-2010, 04:37 PM
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I really hope this doesn't kill his confidence, even though I don't think he played well this season, I still believe he can be a good player down the road. People say he doesn't have much more room for improvement, but you have to remember 5 years ago he couldn't even make BU's team and he was a forward. We all rave in the Draft thread about Johansen's development curve but we forget that Matt is on an insane curve as well, it just started a few years later. The new NHL is catered to defenseman with Matt's skating ability. If he can work on his passing he can be a good top 4 defenseman.

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Well, while I am of the opinion that Tortorella is a terrible "manager," this particular story doesn't do much to make that case, in all honestly. I would say that this definitely could be handled better, but it really isn't that big of a deal.

Back in December, when Gilroy was sent to Hartford, Tortorella said, "He has a lot to learn about the game, and I don't give a damn if he's a Hobey Baker award winner or not." Now, that was unnecessarily harsh. So, I don't know, I mean, at this point, nothing Tortorella says or does shouldn't completely shock Gilroy or anyone for that matter.


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In a recent interview Torts tried to shift a question about defense on Sullivan saying "he handles that".. so if the "interesting thing" that the writer won't reveal is the assistant coach making roster decisions on D, it's not much of a revelation.

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In a recent interview Torts tried to shift a question about defense on Sullivan saying "he handles that"...
Wow, really?

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Wow, really?
Yea, here. it's in the last 20 seconds. http://rangers.nhl.tv/team/console.j...d=765&id=64828

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This thread is kind of annoying. The guy has a Stanley Cup, as well as a Calder Cup.

Did it ever occur to you that the players on this team are soft, spoiled brats?

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I really don't like the unnamed source or anonymous source or "source close to X" either, especially when said testimony is used as "proof" to prove something.

Eklund does this crap all the time and is the reason why he is hated by most people.

I'm not saying Torts is innocent here, but I take "anonymous" sources with a large grain of salt.

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Hmmm....

Summary: "I heard from a guy who heard from a guy some fun stuff that I can't mention right now."

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This thread is kind of annoying. The guy has a Stanley Cup, as well as a Calder Cup.
This argument is what has become really annoying.

The fact that he won a Cup with one team six years ago does not necessarily mean that he is doing a good job (or is the right man for the job) with another team six years later. Different teams, different situations, and, given all the time that has passed, maybe it's a different coach/person. The fact that he's won a Cup is now irrelevant. He needs to be judged on what he's doing now.

(And I don't really care about the fact that he's won a Calder Cup. The guys who keep bringing that up are really reaching)

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Did it ever occur to you that the players on this team are soft, spoiled brats?
No. Because even if you were to assume this to be true, it would not serve as an adequate explanation for many if not most of his actions.


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Gimme a break. If Gilroy is being honest with himself, he doesn't need an explanation. He probably could have benefited from more nights off along the way as "part of the process".

I'm not saying it's the right way or wrong way to handle the situation, but to say that not sitting a struggling rookie down for a heart-to-heart in the manner you would do for a 20 year vet is hardly an giveaway for a locker room in crisis.

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This thread is kind of annoying. The guy has a Stanley Cup, as well as a Calder Cup.
Exactly. There's no "right" or "wrong" way to handle a player. Just because his style is different than what you or even the player might want doesn't mean it's wrong. In fact, results indicate the opposite.

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http://www.snyrangersblog.com/2010/0...medium=twitter
Been saying this for months. Torts doesn't even talk to his players. Torts and Hank went through this early this year and a few other players and reports have mentioned that after this year tons of stories with come out. Can't wait
Who cares? He's not there to be their bff he's their coach. You don't need to have a personal relationship between player and coach, in fact I'd say at times having one can make the situation worse.

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Who cares? He's not there to be their bff he's their coach. You don't need to have a personal relationship between player and coach, in fact I'd say at times having one can make the situation worse.
Really ? maybe your right. Maybe your wrong. but sometimes players need to know where they stand

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Brutal, absolutely brutal.

I hope Gilroy isn't scarred for life.

My sarcasm detector is turned on low right now so Im not sure whether you are joking or not.

There is nothing to it. If something like that scars Gilroy then he doesnt belong in NHL. Talk about being weak mentally.

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Exactly. There's no "right" or "wrong" way to handle a player. Just because his style is different than what you or even the player might want doesn't mean it's wrong. In fact, results indicate the opposite.
No, they really don't.

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Sounds Like Torts wants more experienced players on his team.....

Nothing " Horrible" About That..... What's the B-I-G Deal???


He Knows What he wants...and how that calculates with his players...



If you think that's bad you should hear the way he talked to his previous team! They got an ear full.... Don't think they miss that...or Torts, LoL

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That's "proof", huh? I hope you're never on a jury.

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Hey, I heard that Tort's has ruined Staal's progress...

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Hey, I heard that Tort's has ruined Staal's progress...
He was ruining Staal's process, but what you don't realize is that David Clarkson gave Staal a motivational speech and changed him. That's the reason he has 3 goals in the last 4 games. Of course, I'm an insider, so I know this.

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He was ruining Staal's process, but what you don't realize is that David Clarkson gave Staal a motivational speech and changed him. That's the reason he has 3 goals in the last 4 games. Of course, I'm an insider, so I know this.
3 in the last 3 games

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communication is always a good thing, but different people communicate in different ways. My dad didn't have to tell me he was made at me. I knew, and I knew exactly why he was mad and tried hard not to do it again. Not every coach is going to sit with every player, and I wouldn't say the coaches that don't sit down with each player aren't effective. I will say that styles work different with different people. When Mess was 20 years old (if you're comparing to Gilroy, let's use 25 years old) I'm sure he didn't need a coach to put an arm around him and say what needs to be done. If a coach sat him, he knew he had to work harder in practice and play harder to stay in the lineup. That's why certain coaches don't work well with certain mixes of people.


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