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04-04-2010, 10:04 PM
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Matt Carle of The Philadelphia Flyers

I have read for a while now that Columbus would really be able to use a decent PPQB type of defense man. Matt Carle is probably only an average first pairing defender, but his strengths lend themselves very well to running the power play, and when paired with a very good stay-at-home guy his defense is at the very least adequate.

He has a couple years left at $3,500,000, and is probably closer to his ceiling than a lot of guys his age (he doesn't have amazing physical tools to grow into). The flip side of that is that he doesn't make a lot of mistakes at all.

Obviously Philadelphia would love R.J. back, but that would seem like a 1 step froward, 1 step back move for you guys. I would like to keep the salary even (or close), unless you guys are willing to take a Hartnell or Briere in addition to Carle so you have to send back less personnel-wise. It doesn't sound like taking on salary is realistic for the Jackets right now though.

Philadelphia is obviously looking for good goalie prospects, but I don't think you wanna send Mason our way. We could use really top notch 3rd liners, and defensemen who's skills are more oriented to work in their own zone. Prospects are always interesting.

Is there a deal to be struck between the two clubs? Thanks and I look forward to you ideas.

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Columbus has Stralman and Russell. The Power-Play has been pretty effective (notable exception being the most recent few games.)

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Columbus has Stralman and Russell. The Power-Play has been pretty effective (notable exception being the most recent few games.)
So not much interest or much of a fit here then?

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04-04-2010, 10:26 PM
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So not much interest or much of a fit here then?
Columbus needs a Batman, not a Robin.

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04-04-2010, 10:31 PM
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Columbus needs a Batman, not a Robin.
I hear you, Batmen are scarce. I thought Hejda was you guy's Batman?

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Columbus needs a Batman, not a Robin.
The Batman we'll get.


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I hear you, Batmen are scarce. I thought Hejda was you guy's Batman?
Hejda is also just a Robin. But last year, Commodore, Klesla, and Tyutin (Jughead, Aquagirl, and Obelix respectivly) formed a super team of sidekicks. This season...not so much.

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So really you're kind of looking for The Justice League...

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LAst offseason (before stralman) I remember talking with some of you here, and we were mostly agreeing on something like:

Chimera +3rd

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Carle

But I guess if Stralman, and Russel can make it work now there is no need for Carle.


Would you guys be at all interested in Briere in any sort of deal?

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04-04-2010, 10:53 PM
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Would you guys be at all interested in Briere in any sort of deal?
Doubt it, unless you're taking Commodore's albatross of a salary, and then some. The Jackets are a budget team losing money on a bad arena deal who with Vermette and Brassard have a pretty good 1-2 punch down the center (did I actually just admit that? ) who aren't costing the team an arm and a leg to put on the ice.

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The Batman we'll get.

Well, Keith Tkachuk's contract is up in less than three months....

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Doubt it, unless you're taking Commodore's albatross of a salary, and then some. The Jackets are a budget team losing money on a bad arena deal who with Vermette and Brassard have a pretty good 1-2 punch down the center (did I actually just admit that? ) who aren't costing the team an arm and a leg to put on the ice.

We could definitely take Commodore's bloated salary if Briere would work for you. Briere plays RW aswell so maybe put him with Nash and Vermette. He has played RW most of the year with Carter


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Well, Keith Tkachuk's contract is up in less than three months....
I floated the pass through the crease waiting to see who would bang it home.

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Russell could still use a solid, consistent partner on the PP who isn't a struggling forward. Actually, I almost think it's necessary for him to take the next step. Heck, Stralman could probably use a quicker partner who could cover for him when he makes mistakes.

I'm worried about Carle's output the past four seasons. He had 8 PPGs in 2006/2007, and he's had 4 since then. He's been third in PP TOI and PP TOI/G on the Flyers for the past two seasons, so he's certainly been put into an environment where he could score. Would you describe his play as more of a shooter or a playmaker? (He has decent PPAs this season.) How is he for speed and physicality?

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Russell could still use a solid, consistent partner on the PP who isn't a struggling forward. Actually, I almost think it's necessary for him to take the next step. Heck, Stralman could probably use a quicker partner who could cover for him when he makes mistakes.

I'm worried about Carle's output the past four seasons. He had 8 PPGs in 2006/2007, and he's had 4 since then. He's been third in PP TOI and PP TOI/G on the Flyers for the past two seasons, so he's certainly been put into an environment where he could score. Would you describe his play as more of a shooter or a playmaker? (He has decent PPAs this season.) How is he for speed and physicality?
He is definitely a passer on the PP, but he was also playing with Pronger this year, so that's a shooter already. He likes wrist shots for tips.

Carle has alright speed, but isn't the fastest offensive D man

and he isn't very physical

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I'm worried about Carle's output the past four seasons. He had 8 PPGs in 2006/2007, and he's had 4 since then. He's been third in PP TOI and PP TOI/G on the Flyers for the past two seasons, so he's certainly been put into an environment where he could score. Would you describe his play as more of a shooter or a playmaker? (He has decent PPAs this season.)
Definitely play maker. His shot is okay, but not Weber-like or anything. He doesn't shoot much, but he gets his wrister through and on net when he does pull the trigger. He is definitely more of a set up guy, moving across the blue line and down to the half wall looking to make timing plays to get good shots; and pinching at opportune times, and is very good at keeping the puck in the zone on clears.

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How is he for speed and physicality?
Physicality is tough to call. He is okay along the boards (not outstanding, but passable for sure). He doesn't look for big checks often, but he finishes them when he has someone lined up (there is probably a clip online of him almost benching Malkin earlier this year). He is decent in front of the net in that he doesn't get moved much and gets to a lot of rebounds, but he isn't going to muscle up and move a guy like Holmstrom or Knuble.

Overall I would say average for a first pairing guy in terms of speed (with the thought in mind that first pairing guys are usually pretty decent). He isn't an explosive skater or anything though.

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Trade him to SJS for Huskins. They need a minute eating replacement for Blake next season. That's a net offload of $1.7M in the first year and then the full $3.4M in the second and final year.

"You can go home again."

Failing that, next best option would be PHX (to "replace" ZM), then ATL (to replace PK), and finally CAR.

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04-05-2010, 12:18 AM
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Trade him to SJS for Huskins. They need a minute eating replacement for Blake next season. That's a net offload of $1.7M in the first year and then the full $3.4M in the second and final year.

"You can go home again."

Failing that, next best option would be PHX (to "replace" ZM), then ATL (to replace PK), and finally CAR.
Isn't Huskins pretty much awful? The idea was to get something worthwhile back for him, it's not like he has been a bad player for us. I was just wondering what kind of value is out there for him.

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Isn't Huskins pretty much awful? The idea was to get something worthwhile back for him, it's not like he has been a bad player for us. I was just wondering what kind of value is out there for him.
I wouldn't deal Carle myself. I know he's a little soft, but it would be quite difficult to replace his ~23 mins TOI/GP and good +/-, at that 3.4M cap hit IMO.

As for Huskins, he's decent bottom pairing guy, just overpaid. PHI would probably get a draft pick or prospect back from SJS as well.

PS: this is a good SJ board thread to test my theory:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=745965&page=12


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I think a nightwing would fit us.

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04-05-2010, 08:15 AM
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Carle would be an upgrade here. Not exactly the guy we are looking for, but better then what we have. I'd like him here.

But, hey, I have no idea what a trade for him would look like.

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I wouldn't deal Carle myself. I know he's a little soft, but it would be quite difficult to replace his ~23 mins TOI/GP and good +/-, at that 3.4M cap hit IMO.

As for Huskins, he's decent bottom pairing guy, just overpaid. PHI would probably get a draft pick or prospect back from SJS as well.

PS: this is a good SJ board thread to test my theory:
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=745965&page=12
The "Pronger effect" has really helped Carle's stats this year. Pretty much anyone he's paired with looks good on the ice. Probably shouldn't tell you guys that though since we're trying to deal him to you. =P

Pronger is a major reason for Carle's +/- and TOI though since they've been partners for the vast majority of the year.

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i brought this up in the trade boards and im interested to get more of a response from colombus.

to colombus
danny briere
braydon coburn
jonathon matsumoto

to philly
rj umburger
nikita filitov
mike commodore

blue jackets move salary and get the number 1 center theyve been wanting for nash as well as a d-man who can move the puck though i wont sell you on coburn as an offensive guy hes more of a two way guy with a nice point shot and good passing skills. matsumoto is a nice playmaking center prospect but id give the choice of forwards who arent already on the roster.

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I'd sell my mother to get rid of Mike Commodore, so of course I'd take that.

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to colombus
danny briere
braydon coburn
jonathon matsumoto

to philly
rj umburger
nikita filitov
mike commodore
heh. no thanks. that's about as polite as I can be.

Tyutin straight up for Carle is something I'd be up for. Philly saves about a million in cap at the cost of slightly downgrading at D.

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