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View Poll Results: Did the Islanders make "progress" in 2009-10?
Yes 56 98.25%
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04-05-2010, 04:56 PM
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Another reason why we have hope for next year:

our team looks like it can improve, but the following teams... have difficulties:

- Rangers: 46 mill against the cap, contributors unsigned (Prospal, Staal, Girardi, Jokinen), wastes signed.
- Thrashers: enigmas, I don't know if they get better or worse.
- Ditto for the Canes. Their D seems more depleted than ours.
- Maple Leafs: Underwhelming talent up front, overwhelming overpayment in the back, quastionable in net.
- Tampa: Big salaries leave them little flexibility to improve.
- Philadelphia: Little flexibility, big hole in net. People may scream about this, but I think Pronger is slowing down.
- Florida: Rebuilding, again.
- Montreal: Can they get a goal scorer, resign their RFA's, get some help on D, and keep cap flexibility? Doubtful.
- Boston: Goal scoring is hard to come by on the open market.

Let's assume that the top-5 in the east is entrenched for next season (don't love Ottawa either, really): Washington, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, New Jersey. There's a lot of teams following with lots of holes and not much flexibility.

I think our team has better opportunities.

Cheers,

Dan-o

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04-06-2010, 06:49 PM
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It boils down to this for me: there were some stretches this season where this was a good hockey team. There were no such stretches last season.

Replace some of the dreck we have now with NHL-caliber players, and there's every reason to think this team can legitimately compete for a playoff spot next season.

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04-08-2010, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan-o16 View Post
Another reason why we have hope for next year:

our team looks like it can improve, but the following teams... have difficulties:

- Rangers: 46 mill against the cap, contributors unsigned (Prospal, Staal, Girardi, Jokinen), wastes signed.
- Thrashers: enigmas, I don't know if they get better or worse.
- Ditto for the Canes. Their D seems more depleted than ours.
- Maple Leafs: Underwhelming talent up front, overwhelming overpayment in the back, quastionable in net.
- Tampa: Big salaries leave them little flexibility to improve.
- Philadelphia: Little flexibility, big hole in net. People may scream about this, but I think Pronger is slowing down.
- Florida: Rebuilding, again.
- Montreal: Can they get a goal scorer, resign their RFA's, get some help on D, and keep cap flexibility? Doubtful.
- Boston: Goal scoring is hard to come by on the open market.

Let's assume that the top-5 in the east is entrenched for next season (don't love Ottawa either, really): Washington, Pittsburgh, Buffalo, New Jersey. There's a lot of teams following with lots of holes and not much flexibility.

I think our team has better opportunities.

Cheers,

Dan-o
I think this is an excellent post. We are in better shape than any of those teams mentioned above. A lot of those teams need to re-tool but have so many bad contracts that there isn't much they can do about their situation. Hopefully Snow uses his cap space wisely. Two top 4 dmen and a top 6 forward should get us in the playoffs next year. Easier said than done, but it's a far more realistic possibility than it was this year. That is the definition of progress. a 16 point improvement, and counting is progress no matter how you try rationalizing it.

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04-08-2010, 01:45 PM
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Excellent points in the main thread.

All together—there was progress this season—pretty much what I expected in terms of finish—actually a bit better then I expected.

The team as a whole was "streaky" this season. They have given us 2 stretches of what they could become next season if it all continues "according to plan."

We knew we would be much better in goal. The additions of Roloson and Biron were going to get us some more wins. That alone was a huge difference.

Defensively, we were as advertised with some surprises.
1) I think Striet had an off year. I think part of it is too much time. I think he is getting winded out their, and the olympics did not help. Either way—he had a slightly worse year then his first—which is to say—he played great just the same, but a bit off.

2) Andy MacDonald and Jack Hillen have been wonderful surprises. If you had told me they were both going to be regulars this season, I would have been surprised. Both have eclipsed Gervais who should be much better.

3) Speaking of Gervais—he took a step back. To me, Andy Mac and Hillen make Gervais expendible. I would look to move him at the draft if I possibly could.

4) Sutton—while here was a surprise as well. First he stayed healthy. Second, his overall game was much better then I had ever seen it.

Offensively, Okposo has solidified himself as a team leader, and is as advertsied. I would like to see a few of his posts become goals next year. He should be getting 20 regularly in the coming seasons. Tavares needed a break and my guess is that had there been no olympic schedule, JT may have been more consistent with those extra days off between games. I think that the 2-week olympic break has shown that to be true with what we have seen since February. Overall—the guy has been as advertised, and I think building on his totals for next season is the mission. Bailey has improved, and I look for more. Comeau will hopefully build on this seasons surprise. We don't know what we have in Schremp yet. I want to see more, and I hope he is signed to an extension. Neilsen is playing very well, and should round out as a PK specialist, and 3rd line center. In Moulsen, we have the biggest and best surprise. I would like him resigned of course.

I think the fact that this team largely did not need the learing curve to execute the systems has made a difference as well. There were very few "stinkers" this year. Really the Rags game is the one that stands out. I think the franchise has finally laid the foundation to an identity. One that is all about work, skating, and a pressure based system. In Gordon, we have solidified a value. I think having the stability behind the bench, is a major factor. It is something we have not really had since Arbor left. I can only hope Gordon remains beyond his 3 year contract.

The team has a viable ID now. Gordon's team, with Tavares as the main "face." Okposo, Neilsen, Moulsen are there as well.

This was our first year where we had a chance to see the some of the early fruit of the rebuild. But much more time is needed for it to fully ripen. The addition of this years #1 pick, and the possibilities of De Haan, Hamonic, Petrov at camp are presenting us with an excitement we have not had for a few seasons. Our GM seems determined to hold onto the players that "Mike the Retarded" would have already traded for players who were already 'done.'

We still need to see how this draft goes, and who Snow deems as expendable. We need to see what the team looks like at the end of next season to really make a full determination to the questions.

For me…
Bergenheim: to inconsistent, should be traded at draft.
Gervais: see Bergenheim
Comeau: Need to find out if the end to this season was a fluke or if Comeau is breaking out to be a top 6, secondary threat and member of the core.
Schremp: I'd like to get a full season before passing judgement, but I like what I see so far.
Moulsen: Must be signed to a deal
Biron: Extend him 1 season.

DePietro: the big "who knows." But if he cant make it through camp, he has to retire out. He is hurting the club with his uncertainty and limbo state. A decision needs to be made if he can't start the season. My view: he has one last shot to see if he can make the team out of camp. If not—ask him to retire, or frankly—buy him out.

I think they should make a run an Kovy—though I DOUBT we get him. If we can and he signs here—this becomes a very good team up front. If we add Kovy, we would need to pluck a d-man with size who can clear the crease.

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04-08-2010, 04:17 PM
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A guy no one's mentioned, but deserves it....Scott Gordon. He may not be the most pleasant looking guy, he rarely smiles, but give him his due. Guys like Comeau, Nielsen, Bailey, etc. have all significantly improved their overall play. Goal scoring and points only tell a small story, especially when you're in the bottom 10 of the league. The blown 3rd period leads can be a little disturbing, but remember, he's just finishing his second year in the league. He's going to learn when to cut these guys a little slack, and let's face it, these guys obviously like playing for him. He's a young guy's coach, and very rarely (with the exception of the Rags game) are they unprepared. This isn't exactly a roster stacked with current all-stars, and they compete pretty much night in-night out. IMO, Scott Gordon, take a bow.

Exactly. The players have shown improvement, but so has the coach. Let's give credit where credit is due.

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04-11-2010, 09:32 PM
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I don't know about anyone else, but for the first time in a long time I am starting to regain trust with this team. They are on the right track, and I am starting to again be proud to call myself an Islander fan.

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04-11-2010, 09:53 PM
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I look at it this way the team got better this year wile at the same time geting younger this season. That to me is progress and a good sign for the future.

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