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04-06-2010, 01:08 PM
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Espn writer says howard too old to win calder trophy

http://freep.com/article/20100406/SP...rookie-of-year

what a bunch of bs. i wonder how many other voters think that way

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A lot, probably.

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A lot, probably.
Change the age limit then. Howard being 26 shouldn't count against him.

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I understand it, but IMO the rules should be changed. If this is the way voters are going to vote, then nobody older than 20 or 21 should be eligible. Period.

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i wonder how many other voters think that way
If you ever want to give yourself a headache, check out the voting breakdowns for any awards that is determined by writers. Usually easy to see that lazy writers will give Selke votes simply to forwards with the best +/- rather than guys who are necessarily good defensively.

I know it's just one vote, but the 2006-07 voting still irks me to this day:



So somebody saw fit to give Josh Harding a 5th place vote. So that person felt that Harding had a better rookie year than one of Malkin, Stastny, Staal, Kopitar, and Penner (amongst others).

Josh Harding did have great numbers in the NHL that year. 1.16 GAA and .960 save percentage.......in 7 games......of which he only started 4. Which by my count meant Harding was still eligible for the Calder the following year.

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at that point can't even call it a true "rookie" award but something along the lines of "most advanced youngster award." It's not like Howard is 33 and has been honing his game with the Soviet national team...

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Two things that are going to sway the calder voting:

1. Age.. 20 years old vs. 25-26 years old...
2. Howard being a Red Wing. Everyone outside of Hockeytown nation hates Detroit. That doesnt help.

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Sorry, if you think he is too old then have the age limit changed so he isn't eligible.

Age should not factor because THIS SEASON he is arguably the best rookie, with Myers and Duchene also in the top 3. I don't care if his development was better because he was in the minors longer. This season was his first as an NHL goaltender according to the rules so he should be considered a rookie. End of ****ing story.

Brodeur: I believe giving Harding a 5th place vote means the voter thinks he would be the 5th best rookie of the season. Right?

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Change the age limit then. Howard being 26 shouldn't count against him.
I agree, but sports writers are well known for making up their own rules for awards such as the aforementioned "Forward with the best +/-" for the Selke.

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After meditating on this for 6 hours, here's my conclusion;

The NHL rookie of the year should go to the best rookie of the year within the set criteria.

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LeBrun says Howard won't get his vote for the Calder, as top rookie, because of another number.

"Confused? Don't be," LeBrun writes. "Howard is 26 years old, 4 years older than Sidney Crosby, who is in his fifth NHL season. Howard is 5 years older than Patrick Kane, the Calder Trophy winner from two seasons ago.

"I understand Howard is eligible for the award (he just slipped under the age cutoff), and he will be among my five choices in my official NHL awards ballot when I fill it out this week, but he won't be my first choice."

Well... okay then. Just thought I'd point out age has absolutely nothing to do with it then.

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After meditating on this for 6 hours, here's my conclusion;

The NHL rookie of the year should go to the best rookie of the year within the set criteria.
That's just crazy talk!

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After meditating on this for 6 hours, here's my conclusion;

The NHL rookie of the year should go to the best rookie of the year within the set criteria.
Namo Amida HockeyBuddha.

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he aint too old to win the cup!!!

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I'd rather see him win the Smythe.

Myers has the Calder, so we'd best accept it and shift the focus of our hatred back where it belongs - to Bettman and Crosby.

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It is almost better that Howard doesn't win the Calder. That continues the tradition of Wings who got shafted out of it. Yzerman, Fedorov, Zetterberg...

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A rookie is a rookie, plain and simple. The age shouldn't matter. It's much more debatable in baseball with the Japanese players that come over in their 30's after playing pro over there for 10-15 years and then winning Rookie of the Year awards in their first MLB seasons. I can see the issue there, but this is a joke. Now if it's a close race and everything else kind of evens up, I can see giving the nod to the younger player. But if it's not a dead heat like that, then it should go to whoever is clearly the best, regardless of age.

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Change the age limit then. Howard being 26 shouldn't count against him.
i agree. voters should not be able to take age into consideration. like someone said already posted though, voters pretty much make up their own rules. such a shame that age is gonna be what prevents howard from winning the calder. he deserves better than that

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No one really believes Howard should win the Calder over Myers, do you?

I mean, place 2nd, okay. But to win over Myers? No, nor should he (or anyone).

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Age should be a factor IMO, and LeBrun's not saying "nope jimmy is junk because he's old" he even suggests he will personally vote for Jimmy, but not as the top spot.

While it's not so fair when comparing a goalie and a skater, you have to admit, if you have say Howard, and another goalie with Howard's stats who came straight into the league at 18 from the minors and did the exact same thing as Howard, the younger goalie is the more impressive of the two.

I don't think it should weigh heavily in the matter, and that's not just because Detroit aren't rushing players into the league (no homer) but because the award's restrictions already mean you can't have played many games against NHL quality players to be eligible, and that's the more important thing.

Besides, if keeping your players down in the AHL till they just barely scrape in as a calder candidate based on age is the sure fire always guaranteed best way to develop every player, maybe the issue shouldn't be dismissing Howard's achievements, but rather, dismissing the other teams who are rushing players into the leage at the age of 21 or 22...

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After meditating on this for 6 hours, here's my conclusion;

The NHL rookie of the year should go to the best rookie of the year within the set criteria.
Exactly.. I'm getting sick of people saying he's too old.. The award should go to the guy with the best rookie season, not to the guy that has been the most impressive considering his age..

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Age should be a factor IMO, and LeBrun's not saying "nope jimmy is junk because he's old" he even suggests he will personally vote for Jimmy, but not as the top spot.

While it's not so fair when comparing a goalie and a skater, you have to admit, if you have say Howard, and another goalie with Howard's stats who came straight into the league at 18 from the minors and did the exact same thing as Howard, the younger goalie is the more impressive of the two.

I don't think it should weigh heavily in the matter, and that's not just because Detroit aren't rushing players into the league (no homer) but because the award's restrictions already mean you can't have played many games against NHL quality players to be eligible, and that's the more important thing.

Besides, if keeping your players down in the AHL till they just barely scrape in as a calder candidate based on age is the sure fire always guaranteed best way to develop every player, maybe the issue shouldn't be dismissing Howard's achievements, but rather, dismissing the other teams who are rushing players into the leage at the age of 21 or 22...
It's not rushing them though if they are developing and having success in the league while at that age.

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It's not rushing them though if they are developing and having success in the league while at that age.
that was largely my point, players come up when they are ready, for some that is later than others.

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that was largely my point, players come up when they are ready, for some that is later than others.
In re-reading your post I see that now. Didn't catch it the first time around.

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For the record, Nabby won the Calder at 25...

Nabby's stats the year he won:

Wins: 32
Howard: 34

GAA: 2.19
Howard: 2.30

SV%: .915
Howard: .920

As you can see, Howard has better sv% and wins then Nabby did that year. Myers has been phenominal, but did he mean more to his club then Howard did? Absolutely not.

Was Myers a product of playing infront of Miller?
Was Howard a product of playing behind Lidstrom?

Things to ponder.

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