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04-07-2010, 11:49 AM
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How do they determine who gets captaincy?

Just curious as to what the criteria is for this..

I'm a bit surprised that our best player doesn't wear a letter

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By "they," do you mean "we?"

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I mean in general, for any team

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I think most coaches give it to guys that they believe will play how he envisions or hopes the entire team should be playing -- and players that are comfortable and confident in their abilities to set that example.

and I think that's the right way to do it, not just giving them to the best players or the guys with most seniority. Not every talented or experienced player is a leader, so when these types of guys are given letters "just because", it usually leads to choking, or too much pressure upon the player.

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I think most coaches give it to guys that they believe will play how he envisions or hopes the entire team should be playing -- and players that are comfortable and confident in their abilities to set that example.

and I think that's the right way to do it, not just giving them to the best players or the guys with most seniority.

Completely agree, both in terms of how most coaches do it, and with the notion that that's the best way of doing it.

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Not every talented or experienced player is a leader, so when these types of guys are given letters "just because", it usually leads to choking, or too much pressure upon the player.

Case in point: Brian Leetch.

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Being North American doesn't hurt... I say that not to be inflammatory, but really, there are so very few European captains in the game, even if they display the characteristics necessary to lead.

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Being North American doesn't hurt... I say that not to be inflammatory, but really, there are so very few European captains in the game, even if they display the characteristics necessary to lead.
Who do you think is/was a better Captain: Drury or Jags?

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Who do you think is/was a better Captain: Drury or Jags?
Captain leads by example. It's not necessarily whose better in terms of skill. It's hard to say since I don't know either personally. But Drury's passive nature towards... well everything has gotten very old. Jagr had a fire that the other players looked up to and fed off of.

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Captains do lead by example.

And I find it hysterical that certain fans think throwing your body in front of the most pucks as a forward is a 'passive' way of leading a team

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Case in point: Brian Leetch.
Look at the team Leetch inherited. Not fair to put that all on Leetch.

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Well, I think it at the minimum has to be a good player who's captain. It's kind of hard to be the leader if you're only a 3rd liner. You can't really be telling people that you think they're off their game is they're scoring more goals then you.

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Captains do lead by example.

And I find it hysterical that certain fans think throwing your body in front of the most pucks as a forward is a 'passive' way of leading a team
Drury is the captain, center on the 2nd and sometimes 1st line, he is paid ~7M/year. If blocking shots on the PK is the only thing he does well then I'd say someone else is more deserving of the C.

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Captain leads by example. It's not necessarily whose better in terms of skill. It's hard to say since I don't know either personally. But Drury's passive nature towards... well everything has gotten very old. Jagr had a fire that the other players looked up to and fed off of.
I totally agree. Players sat next to him on the bench and were almost in fear/awe of his greatness.

God I miss Jagr...

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Captains do lead by example.

And I find it hysterical that certain fans think throwing your body in front of the most pucks as a forward is a 'passive' way of leading a team
Not letting devastating losses (losing a game when you had been up 5-1 for example) ruin your holiday is a 'passive' way IMHO

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Who do you think is/was a better Captain: Drury or Jags?
Even per Jagr's admission, the North American Angle has less to do w/ playing style, but more in relation to mastery and comfort in expressing oneself fully w/ the English language.

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Well, I think it at the minimum has to be a good player who's captain. It's kind of hard to be the leader if you're only a 3rd liner. You can't really be telling people that you think they're off their game is they're scoring more goals then you.
Scoring is not the only criteria for being a good captain.

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Drury is the captain, center on the 2nd and sometimes 1st line, he is paid ~7M/year. If blocking shots on the PK is the only thing he does well then I'd say someone else is more deserving of the C.
Thats all he does?

Guess you forgot he's 3rd in points on the team since Feb. 1st, and the two guys ahead of him Gaby/Prospal have gotten alot more PP time.

How abut 52.7 in the faceoff circle? Thats alot higher than Richards(both), Statsny, Spezza, Sedin, Backstrom, Zetterberg, Kopitar, Staal(both), Getzlaf and I could go on.

Drury leads, I just gave you proof, its just not as flashy as a 7 million dollar contract.

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Captain leads by example. It's not necessarily whose better in terms of skill. It's hard to say since I don't know either personally. But Drury's passive nature towards... well everything has gotten very old. Jagr had a fire that the other players looked up to and fed off of.
Ummmm. What Jagr were you watching besides the one that yelled at crosby to STAND UP? He was a beast for us but most of the time he looked sulky.

I'm the last person to say good things about Drury but they guy is a warrior (being paid like a superstar) and aside from Cally is the only guy I want wearing the C on this team of misfits. I'd say he does a good job of leading by example, its just a different kind of example that Jagr had.

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Not letting devastating losses (losing a game when you had been up 5-1 for example) ruin your holiday is a 'passive' way IMHO
What exactly do you want? Ritual bleeding after every loss? Of course they're upset they lost, but only losers succumb to the mentality of harping on a loss. Its pointless. Torts says the same thing, guess he's a terrible leader too. Or any coach that says 'time to put that one behind us and focus on the next game'.

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Drury is the new Leetch. Both were placed in impossible positions, doomed to fail from the start.

At least Drury doesn't cost his team goals by skating to the bench lazily while the other team races down the ice with the puck. That happened a bunch of times with our last captain.

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Not letting devastating losses (losing a game when you had been up 5-1 for example) ruin your holiday is a 'passive' way IMHO
Has there ever been more made of something so little?

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Not letting devastating losses (losing a game when you had been up 5-1 for example) ruin your holiday is a 'passive' way IMHO
So, what, was he supposed to cry and declare the season over from a bad loss in the MIDDLE of the season? Dear god some of you nitpick about anything.

the "ruin his X" thing can be funny at times as can the "intangibles" buisiness, but when you say it seriously, its just ridiculous.

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Drury is a good player so dont take this wrong

He is NOT a good captain. Although i believe he is a strong leader to have in your locker room, a captain is someone you can lean on in your vital moments.

Jagr, although less vocal than Drury was out there every time we needed a big play and often came through.

Just look at the captains in the NHL, the majority of them are the best players on the team; Staal, Iginla, Toews, Nash, Lidstrom, Chara, Alfreddson, Richards, Doan, Crosby, Lecalvier, Ovechkin, Luongo.

The majority of these guys are not role players and the ones that are have mostly been stars in the past.

Although i dont think you NEED to be a consistent all-star to be a captain you need to be able to come out and lift guys up when they are down.

Personally i feel Drury is no longer capable of doing this on his own.

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Personally i feel Drury is no longer capable of doing this on his own.
He's never been capable of doing this on his own, yet that didn't stop him from being an effective captain in Buffalo.

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