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04-07-2010, 05:49 PM
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Fair enough, but this is more of an argument against trading the goalies at all, than it is against trading them within the Conference or Division.

I also don't think we should trade either goalie unless we get fair value.

In fact, I think Gauthier should make it public that he has no real intention of trading either goalie, as he likes both of them, and would only entertain offers from teams willing to part with value equivalent to top 10 NHL goalies.
"top" goalie trades

Giguere for Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake
Ilya Bryzgalov lost on waivers
Lehtonen for Ivan Vishnevsky and a 4th round choice
Leclaire and a 2nd for Vermette
Vokoun for 1st, 2nd and a conditional pick
Luongo Krajicek and a 6th for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld
Roloson for a 1st and 3rd
Fernandez fro a 4th and Peter Kalus
Mason for a 4th
Toskala and Bell to Toronto for a 1st, 2nd, 4th
Kiprusoff for a 2nd
Khabibulin and Neckar for Mike Johnson, Paul Mara, Ruslan Zainullin and NY Islanders' 2nd
Theodore for Aebischer


Now granted the Kipper trade was before he became great, but take a look at the deals involving goalies. The value we place on our goalies isn't the same as what market value will bring. Also there are less than a handful of teams that actually need a goalie so the competition won't be very fierce.

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"top" goalie trades

Giguere for Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake
Ilya Bryzgalov lost on waivers
Lehtonen for Ivan Vishnevsky and a 4th round choice
Leclaire and a 2nd for Vermette
Vokoun for 1st, 2nd and a conditional pick
Luongo Krajicek and a 6th for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld
Roloson for a 1st and 3rd
Fernandez fro a 4th and Peter Kalus
Mason for a 4th
Toskala and Bell to Toronto for a 1st, 2nd, 4th
Kiprusoff for a 2nd
Khabibulin and Neckar for Mike Johnson, Paul Mara, Ruslan Zainullin and NY Islanders' 2nd
Theodore for Aebischer


Now granted the Kipper trade was before he became great, but take a look at the deals involving goalies. The value we place on our goalies isn't the same as what market value will bring. Also there are less than a handful of teams that actually need a goalie so the competition won't be very fierce.
And that also goes for re-signing both. It won't be hard, both their agents know there is a saturation of good goalies in this league.

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04-07-2010, 06:19 PM
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I would gladly offer Atlanta's top 10 pick plus give you back your 3rd round pick acquired in the Schneider deal for Halak.

If rejected, I would make a 5 year, $3.9m per year offer sheet to Halak. Would you be willing to match that, given you also have to re-sign Price?

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"top" goalie trades

Giguere for Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake
Ilya Bryzgalov lost on waivers
Lehtonen for Ivan Vishnevsky and a 4th round choice
Leclaire and a 2nd for Vermette
Vokoun for 1st, 2nd and a conditional pick
Luongo Krajicek and a 6th for Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld
Roloson for a 1st and 3rd
Fernandez fro a 4th and Peter Kalus
Mason for a 4th
Toskala and Bell to Toronto for a 1st, 2nd, 4th
Kiprusoff for a 2nd
Khabibulin and Neckar for Mike Johnson, Paul Mara, Ruslan Zainullin and NY Islanders' 2nd
Theodore for Aebischer


Now granted the Kipper trade was before he became great, but take a look at the deals involving goalies. The value we place on our goalies isn't the same as what market value will bring. Also there are less than a handful of teams that actually need a goalie so the competition won't be very fierce.
All of the above were trading goalies on the decline with the exception of Luongo. Nobody trades a #1 goalie from a position of strenght, that is the difference. We don't need to trade so we can accept the best offer.

Anaheim needed to dump Giguere's salary
Bryz was given a promise by his GM, why he was dumped
I'm too lazy for the rest.

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04-07-2010, 06:27 PM
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Just thought I'd start a thread about what Other teams have said (on the main board) that they'd offer and like to hear what Habs fans have to say about those offers, and what they'd want in return for either goalie

Btw if you've seen an offer just mention it and I'll add it too the list

current offers Note* these are basic pieces draft picks would have to be added to one or both sides, some i've added because it's needed
Halak for Clowe
Halak / Price for St. Louis 1st(12-14th)
Price / (some include patches some don't for JVR
Halak + 2nd for Giroux
Halak/Price for Hartnell + Coburn
Halak/Price +2nd for Tampa Bay 1st (3rd-6th overall)
Halak for Sharp
Halak/ Price for Perron
Halak/Price for Penner, Smid and a 2nd
Price for Gagner+Penner

Halak for a 2nd and Ryder

Personally I favor a high draft pick Like tampa's I know we are in a win now mentality but were do we fit this salary that would come back? Put it this way if we could use that pick to grab someone like Fowler/gudbranson/connolly I think it'll be more then worth it in a few years with Subban on the way, A subban Fowler pairing in the future would be unreal
The Edmonton deals are pretty well the only ones I like there

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Throw mine in there

Halak + 2nd for TJ Oshie.

Make it a first if you need to.

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Throw mine in there

Halak + 2nd for TJ Oshie.

Make it a first if you need to.
Why would we need to add a 2nd with Halak for Oshie?

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Why would we need to add a 2nd with Halak for Oshie?
You don't know much about Oshie do you

Edit: See the Halak/Price for Perron? Well, I would take Oshie everyday of the week, and twice on Sundays before him.

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You don't know much about Oshie do you

Edit: See the Halak/Price for Perron? Well, I would take Oshie everyday of the week, and twice on Sundays before him.
You would need to add a 1st with Perron foe Halak I would think.

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This is the worst offer in the list.
You wouldn't do Gagner+Penner for Price? Jesus...

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Halak + 1st vs TBL's 1st

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keep price i won 4 cups with him on nhl 10 haha
Halak is Habs' Masterton nominee
Goaltender Jaroslav Halak is the Canadiens' nominee for the Masterton Trophy, annually awarded to the NHL player judged to best exemplify the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication.

Full details on the nomination here
http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...060/story.html

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Why would we need to add a 2nd with Halak for Oshie?
Did you ever watch Oshie play?Because it doesn't look like you did,guy would most probably become our best forward.You remember our game against the Blues earlier this year,TJ was the best player on the ice for both teams

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You wouldn't do Gagner+Penner for Price? Jesus...

It's easy to add people to the roster, it's dropping guys that are already under contract from the roster that is the hard work.

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I would gladly offer Atlanta's top 10 pick plus give you back your 3rd round pick acquired in the Schneider deal for Halak.

If rejected, I would make a 5 year, $3.9m per year offer sheet to Halak. Would you be willing to match that, given you also have to re-sign Price?
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I'm surprised this was even offered. They are both legit quality players for halak.
It wasn't offered...this is a FORUM

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I would gladly offer Atlanta's top 10 pick plus give you back your 3rd round pick acquired in the Schneider deal for Halak.

If rejected, I would make a 5 year, $3.9m per year offer sheet to Halak. Would you be willing to match that, given you also have to re-sign Price?
Isn't $3.9M more than what was extended to Kessel?

Depends on the team making the offer for Halak. Do you mean Atlanta's? That would require not only one top 10 pick but still more draft picks.

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You wouldn't do Gagner+Penner for Price? Jesus...
I wouldn't touch that offer with a stick. You know Penner isn't the same player as in the beginning of the year. He's an average player with a huge salary. With Gagner for Price? Way to just throw away a #5 pick. Holy. Start talking Hemsky and I'll listen.

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I'd trade halak for a top 15 pick and an opportunity to dump a spacek or hamrlik on the team. For Price its got to be a front end guy Like Carter or Peitrangelo + Perron.

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It's easy to add people to the roster, it's dropping guys that are already under contract from the roster that is the hard work.
Easy. Our 3rd and fourth line centres are coming off the books. You can trade AKost and his salary cap for picks and prospects or a young defenseman, and you basically have the money to fit Penner.

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I wouldn't touch that offer with a stick. You know Penner isn't the same player as in the beginning of the year. He's an average player with a huge salary. With Gagner for Price? Way to just throw away a #5 pick. Holy. Start talking Hemsky and I'll listen.
Why wouldn't he be the same player than at start of the season? That was just a fluke? C'mon, he has 31 goals and 60 pts on a god awful team.

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All of the above were trading goalies on the decline with the exception of Luongo. Nobody trades a #1 goalie from a position of strenght, that is the difference. We don't need to trade so we can accept the best offer.

Anaheim needed to dump Giguere's salary
Bryz was given a promise by his GM, why he was dumped
I'm too lazy for the rest.
If we don't need to, then why would we? If we are in a position of strength, then it would stand to reason that we would make a great deal. Fact is, we are only in a position of strength if we choose to not trade either goalie. Once we make one available, well, the return for goalies isn't all that great.

BTW Vokoun, Roloson, Kipper, Khabibulin, and Mason were by in no way in decline after their trade. Roloson and Kipper went to the cup finals the same year they were traded and Khabibulin won a Cup a few years after he was traded.

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No chance Atlanta parts with Evander Kane. Halak is not worth a top 3 pick.

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Easy. Our 3rd and fourth line centres are coming off the books. You can trade AKost and his salary cap for picks and prospects or a young defenseman, and you basically have the money to fit Penner.
Poof! Just like that. It's like magic. Trade AKost- the lineup to take him will be huge. Or perhaps, we would have to take the same salary back. Wait, why not just trade AKost for Penner?

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Why wouldn't he be the same player than at start of the season? That was just a fluke? C'mon, he has 31 goals and 60 pts on a god awful team.
18 goals and 40 of those points came in the first 36 games. He has 14 goals and 23 points in his last 44 (similar point production to his career norm). Maybe that amazing run wasn't a fluke, but there's a good chance it might be imo. But yeah if they offered Gagner AND Penner, we'd be nuts not to accept. I don't think Penner is a 60+ point guy, but he's still a big body decent 2nd liner and Gagner will be a stud (people forget he's only 20 and has tons of upside).

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