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04-10-2010, 12:56 AM
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Sounds like Owens definitely had a strong physical game to go along with his offense. There's enough to suggest he was okay defensively, but I'd still prefer it if he were partnered with a guy who we know was good. Looking forward to the Coutu bio.
The Coutu bio will have to wait a day or two. I'm touching up my old Sandford bio and afterwards it's bed time. Might have to wait monday to see the Coutu bio pop up.

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With our 22nd selection, the 680th overall in this year All-Time Draft, the Detroit Falcons are very happy to select left winger Ed Sandford



Nickname: Sandy
Height: 6'1''
Weight: 180 lbs
Position: Left Wing
Shoots: Right
Date of Birth: August 20, 1928
Place of Birth: New Toronto, Canada

Stanley Cup Finalist (1953)
Conn Smythe Trophy (1953)
NHL Second All-Star Team (1954)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955)
Team Captain (1955)

Top-10 Scoring (8th)
Top-10 Assist (10th)
Top-5 Team Scoring (1st, 2nd, 5th)
Top-5 Team Goalscoring (3rd, 4th, 5th)
Top-5 Team Assist (2nd, 2nd, 4th, 5th)
Top-5 Penalty Minutes (3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th)

*0.50 Point per game in the regular season*
Top-10 Playoff Scoring (1st, 8th)
Top-10 Playoff Goalscoring (1st, 7th)
Top-10 Playoff Assist (8th, 10th)
Top-10 Playoff Penalty Minutes (4th)
Top-5 Team Scoring (1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th)
Top-5 Team Goalscoring (1st, 1st, 3rd, 4th, 4th)
Top-5 Team Assist (1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 5nd)
Top-5 Penalty Minutes (2nd, 2nd, 4th)

*0.57 Point per game in the regular season*

Lady Bing Nomination (5th)

- In 1947, Sandford signed a three year contract worth 9000$ per season with the Boston Bruins
- Ed Sandford received a second All-Star nomination in 1954, after notching a 16 goals season. This is the lowest total a Left Winger All-Star ever put on since the 1931-32 season (Aurel Joliat with 15), which speak about Sandford all-around abilities
- On June 4th, 1955, Sandford was traded to Detroit by Boston with Gilles Boisvert, Real Chevrefils, Norm Corcoran and Warren Godfrey for Marcel Bonin, Lorne Davis, Terry Sawchuk and Vic Stasiuk
- On October 24th, 1955, Sandford was traded to Chicago by Detroit for Metro Prystai
- After his retirement, Sandford served in various off-ice capacities for the Bruins, as a goal judge, official scorer and eventually supervisor of off-ice officials
- Later in his life, Sandford became a curling enthusiast


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[1953 Playoffs]Great in the victory over Detroit scoring six goals in the last four games. He had three first goals and an assist on the series winner. Against Montreal he had the winner in the only Bruins win. Led the playoffs in goals and points (8-3).

Sanford's formal education was put on permanent hold in the wake of the Boston Bruins desire to integrate the young sniper into their line-up.

He evolved into a steady performer who was good for about 30 points per season.
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He proved to be an effective and tenacious defensive left winger, and was named to play in the NHL All-Star Game in five consecutive seasons starting in 1951.
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1949 Playoffs
[Against Toronto] - Sandford also played well for Boston.
1952 Playoffs
[Against Montreal] - Ed Sandford equalize with a nice goal before the period ended.
1953 Playoffs
[Against Detroit] - The line of Klukay, Dumart, Sandford was outstanding
- They established a two-goal lead in the first period on smart plays by Sandford and McIntyre
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Originally Posted by 1954-55 Parkhurst Ed Sandford
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Originally Posted by 1954-55 Topps Ed Sandford
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Ed Harrison and the smooth-moving Ed Sandford in particular, laid siege to the Galt net.
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The only goal of the game was scored one minute 25 seconds after it started. It was caged by shifty Ed Sandford.

Ed Sandford was St.Mikes top forward performer. Not alone becasue of his game-winning goal, but because he was a going concern all the way.
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It was Sandford, a superb hockey player, who set up Irish first goal.
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Originally Posted by June 12th 1947
Ed Sandford, dynamic playmaking team captain of the Memorial Cup Champion. Sandford, one of the greatest junior star developed in Canada
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Rookie Eddie Sandford gave a battling display, looked better than at any time this season against Toronto. He duelled most of the game with Kennedy and it ended up with Kennedy getting thumbed with a minor penalty.
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Originally Posted by The Globe and Mail; March 15th 1948
Bruins Wallop Wings 5-1, To Clinch Playoff Spot; Babando, Sandford Star.
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Originally Posted by The Globe and Mail; March 28th 1949
It was Dumart who scored the Winning goal: it was Sandford whose important tally was the most cleverly executed play of the evening.
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Originally Posted by The Globe and Mail; April 6th 1953
Big Ed Sandford, policeman of the playoff for Boston.
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Originally Posted by The Globe and Mail; March 30th 1955
The second lead was provided by Eddie Sandford at 8:52 of the third period. Sandford dug the puck out of the corner, back to Leo Boivin, and was in front of the crease to deflect Boivin's shot from the point into the corner.

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#15 Tomas Kaberle,D




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RS:819 80 402 482
PO:77 6 22 28 22
11 NHL Seasons
Era Late 1990's -present
Played in NHL All-Star Game (2002, 07,08,09)
Top 10 Assists Tomas Kaberle 05-06 Toronto 58
Best Season :2005-06 Toronto Maple Leafs 82 9 58 67 46
-3rd highest scoring Defenceman in leafs history
-Ranked 54th -100 All Time Leafs Book
Role:Offensive Defenceman/Speed Demon
LOL

you couldn't resist, could you?

All it would have taken was for you to find ONE defenseman other than Kaberle, and in the MLD we could have seen how highly a GM other than you values him.

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Top-10 Scoring Among defenseman (1st*, 2nd, 7th, 10th)
Top-10 Goalscoring among defenseman (1st*, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th)
Top-10 Assist among defenseman (2nd*, 3rd, 5th)

Top-10 Playoff Scoring Among defenseman (8th)
Top-10 Playoff Assist (4th, 6th)
Top-10 Playoff Penalty Minutes among defenseman (6th)
Top-10 Playoff Scoring Among defenseman (1st, 3rd)
Top-10 Playoff Goalscoring among defenseman (1st)
Top-10 Playoff Assist among defenseman (1st, 2nd)
Top-10 Playoff Penalty Minutes among defenseman (6th, 10th, 10th)
Pet peeve.

- Do we REALLY need to know his separate rankings in goals, assists, and points? It just adds clutter, why not just use points?
- Do we REALLY need to know his separate rankings in playoff goals, assists, and points? With such small sample sizes, two goals hardly matters, and three assists barely matters, but 5 points are worth mentioning.
- Should you REALLY pass off 2 points in six playoff games in 1930 as "3rd in playoff scoring among defensemen"?
- Do we REALLY care that he was 10th in the playoffs in PIM among defensemen with six?
- Since when is "PIM among defensemen" something that we use as though it is impressive? I can understand we use PIMs for older players to help demonstrate toughness, but "PIM among defensemen"?

I just see it as being a bit "chintzy", a bit "nickel and dimey".

This bio can be summed up in a few lines and be just as impressive and less cluttered:

- Top-10 Scoring Among defenseman (1st*, 2nd, 7th, 10th)
- Led Defensemen in playoff scoring and was 8th overall (1931)

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Sounds like Owens definitely had a strong physical game to go along with his offense. There's enough to suggest he was okay defensively, but I'd still prefer it if he were partnered with a guy who we know was good. Looking forward to the Coutu bio.
I agree, I read it the same way. I'd like to see more to really call him an ATD defenseman though. Most defensemen were physical and accounts can be found of them throwing a hit here and there. Articles that describe a player as tough, physical, or rugged mean much more to me. The lack of mention of anything defensive is also concerning, as is the lack of all-star selections in 1931 and 1932 when he was 1st and 2nd in scoring among defensemen, plus apparently physical.

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04-10-2010, 03:27 AM
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LOL

you couldn't resist, could you?

All it would have taken was for you to find ONE defenseman other than Kaberle, and in the MLD we could have seen how highly a GM other than you values him.
I've been expecting Leaf Lander to take Kaberle for several rounds.

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Pet peeve.

- Do we REALLY need to know his separate rankings in goals, assists, and points? It just adds clutter, why not just use points?
- Do we REALLY need to know his separate rankings in playoff goals, assists, and points? With such small sample sizes, two goals hardly matters, and three assists barely matters, but 5 points are worth mentioning.
- Should you REALLY pass off 2 points in six playoff games in 1930 as "3rd in playoff scoring among defensemen"?
- Do we REALLY care that he was 10th in the playoffs in PIM among defensemen with six?
- Since when is "PIM among defensemen" something that we use as though it is impressive? I can understand we use PIMs for older players to help demonstrate toughness, but "PIM among defensemen"?

I just see it as being a bit "chintzy", a bit "nickel and dimey".

This bio can be summed up in a few lines and be just as impressive and less cluttered:

- Top-10 Scoring Among defenseman (1st*, 2nd, 7th, 10th)
- Led Defensemen in playoff scoring and was 8th overall (1931)
I basically agree. When defenseman scoring involves such low numbers, points are sufficient - no need to seperate goals and assists. I guess the seperation could be useful if the defenseman was a freak who scored far more goals than assists (relative to era).

Honestly, it probably helps you more just to post the statistics more concisely like this. It's hard enough to pay attention to long lists of statistics as it is.

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I've been expecting Leaf Lander to take Kaberle for several rounds.
Except I thought last draft that I made him promise to let him fall and see where he falls to this time.

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Well, it seems that the majority opinion of Kaberle is that he's an MLD level defenseman. This is probably accurate.

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Also, LL - GET RID of the "speed demon" part in your Kaberle bio. He is not fast. At all.

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sorry folks, been crazy busy lately...

with their skipped pick, kenora is pleased to select...

alexander almetov (c/d)

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Almetov, like most Russians, was a well trained forward when it came to skating, puckhandling and passing, though he was never an elite scoring threat. Part of that was because Almetov was a superior defensive forward. In fact he was a mainstay on the Russian penalty killing units perhaps the best PK man of his generation.

Anatoli Tarasov wrote the following in his book Road to Olympus:

"Perhaps sports fans who have seen our national team in action have noticed that whenever we have one man short, Alexander Almetov is sure to appear on the ice. When it comes to individual play, a question of holding on to the puck and beating off a superior force, Almetov is in a class by himself! He is not a solist, he is a star in the good sense of the word."

Tarasov had identified Almetov as a top hockey prospect when Almetov was 14 years old and a student at Central Red Army hockey school. He was an effortless skater but more impressively he was incredibly efficient and intelligent on the ice, a true master of the game.

Almetov was the center of the unit. When first paired with his two mates, Loktev and Alexandrov were said to have pleaded with their coach for a different center, as they were weary of his level of play. While Almetov's skill level may not have been on par with the other two, he complimented the line very well with his positioning and passing.

Almetov's strong point, according to coach Tarasov, was much like that of Wayne Gretzky. Gretzky wasn't even born when Almetov joined the Russian national team mind you, but the two shared an uncanny knack of always being at the right place at the right time. Tarasov actually compared him to a chess player, who plans out an attack before the play even begins. This is why Almetov almost always led an attack.

Despite his penalty killing forte and the fact that he occasionally played defense when there was injury to a blueliner in the middle of the game, many critics suggested Almetov was a poor defensive forward 5 on 5. He was slow to comeback and help out defensively, even lazy they said. Tarasov seemed unconcerned however.

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The Mooseheads select C, Bronco Horvath.

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To Laval: Billy Burch, Bob Bourne
To Halifax: Rick Martin, Yvon Lambert

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Laval confirms, and we select LW/C Wayne Merrick. Nice working with you dude

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Merrick's a good spare. I was considering him as my main spare forward but decided I liked Getliffe's offensive upside better.

I'll process that trade later, assuming nobody objects.

Is Nighthawks the only one who still has outstanding picks now?

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What's the deal with Rounds 25-26? Do they begin when this draft board is finished? Which I think is fairly sun.

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It is a 24-round draft. The draft is FINISHED.

The only time the draft went past 24 rounds was ATD12 there was 30 rounds because there was no time for a minor league draft between the last ATD and this one.

MLD 2010 will begin either soon after the ATD playoffs (in June) or else after the summer (mid-Sept/early Oct). Any player not selected in ATD 2010 will be eligible to draft in MLD 2010.

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I just PMed Nighthawks to remind him that he has 2 outstanding picks.

(So don't everyone else feel like you have to).

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Also, LL - GET RID of the "speed demon" part in your Kaberle bio. He is not fast. At all.
he is one of the smoothest skaters in the nhl

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To Laval: Billy Burch, Bob Bourne
To Halifax: Rick Martin, Yvon Lambert

Mark to confirm.
Just for the record, this works out to:

To markrander87 (Chief De Laval): Billy Burch (335), Bob Bourne (361)
To Stalberg (Halifax Mooseheads): Rick Martin (238), Yvon Lambert (478)

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he is one of the smoothest skaters in the nhl
Smooth doesn't mean fast.

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I basically agree. When defenseman scoring involves such low numbers, points are sufficient - no need to seperate goals and assists. I guess the seperation could be useful if the defenseman was a freak who scored far more goals than assists (relative to era).

Honestly, it probably helps you more just to post the statistics more concisely like this. It's hard enough to pay attention to long lists of statistics as it is.
Oh well, sorry to disappoint 70's and yourself, but I won't change the way I'm doing my bios They are standard in the 30+ bios I've made so far. I don't see how difficult it is to read to be honest, and even though it was a low number ERA, it just mean that scoring points was more difficult and that every point were more difficult to get.

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Someone has a chart as to when Eddie Gerard exactly played defence and LW?

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Oh well, sorry to disappoint 70's and yourself, but I won't change the way I'm doing my bios They are standard in the 30+ bios I've made so far. I don't see how difficult it is to read to be honest, and even though it was a low number ERA, it just mean that scoring points was more difficult and that every point were more difficult to get.
That doesn't make the rankings themselves more impressive, though. Points being difficult to get applies to all players playing at that time. Passing off two points as "3rd" among defensemen is really, really cheap. It's statistically insignificant.

I'm also concerned that 4 of the 9 quotes you presented for Ed Sandford were from junior hockey. Of course a player who went on to be a very good NHL player was a good junior; this is not news.

I happen to consider you one of the finest GMs here, if not the finest. I hope you don't take offense when I say that I expect a lot better out of you.

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Someone has a chart as to when Eddie Gerard exactly played defence and LW?
Pre-NHL, LW. NHL, D.

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That doesn't make the rankings themselves more impressive, though. Points being difficult to get applies to all players playing at that time. Passing off two points as "3rd" among defensemen is really, really cheap. It's statistically insignificant.

I'm also concerned that 4 of the 9 quotes you presented for Ed Sandford were from junior hockey. Of course a player who went on to be a very good NHL player was a good junior; this is not news.

I happen to consider you one of the finest GMs here, if not the finest. I hope you don't take offense when I say that I expect a lot better out of you.

Pre-NHL, LW. NHL, D.
- I Disagree. Every point in that ERA were difficult to get. 2 points in the playoffs in the late 1920's was as difficult as getting 10-12 in the 1990's. That's just how the game was played back again. In my opinion it is not ''statistically insignificant'', but you have your opinion on this and I have mine.

- It is clear that the first few quotes of the Globe and Mail talks about Ed Sandford junior career. My bios are not meant to impress anyone or to brag them into a good selection, but to portrait a fair picture of my selection and what they have accomplish during their career. Sandford was one of the greatest junior player to ever play in Canada: I think it's revelant when talking about him. Does it make him a better ATD selection? Absolutely not.

- Sorry to disappoint you.

- Thank You.

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- I Disagree. Every point in that ERA were difficult to get. 2 points in the playoffs in the late 1920's was as difficult as getting 10-12 in the 1990's. That's just how the game was played back again. In my opinion it is not ''statistically insignificant'', but you have your opinion on this and I have mine.
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A "stats major" like overpass or BM67 can explain better than I can why that is statistically insignificant, but I assure you that it is.

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A "stats major" like overpass or BM67 can explain better than I can why that is statistically insignificant, but I assure you that it is.
Always ready to hear a good argument.

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