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04-09-2010, 07:12 AM
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Hypothetical Situation for Tonight

If the game is tied with under two minutes to play, then do we pull the goalie? On one hand, we'd be risking giving up the goal and getting no points, and we would still be in position to potentially pass either Boston or Montreal even if Philadelphia gained a point. On the other hand, there's no doubt that our best bet is passing Philly, and so by giving them a point we'd be eliminating our likeliest scenario for making the playoffs.

So which do we do?

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We DON'T pull the goalie.Even with our disgusting record in OT/SO its still possible to pick up the 2nd point and then try to win in regulation in philly.Not point in risking it ALL away at once.

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Not a chance. If Hank needs to be pulled in regulation then it'll be in Philly on Sunday.

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Not a chance. If Hank needs to be pulled in regulation then it'll be in Philly on Sunday.
Don't they have to win tonight in regulation or Sunday is meaningless?

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Why? They don't win tonight in regulation and Sunday is meaningless.
If we win in overtime tonight, Sunday is not meaningless. They would have 87 points going into Sunday and the Rangers would have 86. THEN we would have to pull Hank if the score was tied because we would need to win Sunday in regulation. What I don't know is this, what if by some miracle there becomes a four way tie for the last three playoff spots?

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Don't they have to win tonight in regulation or Sunday is meaningless?
No. If the Rangers win in OT tonight, the Rangers will have 86pts and Philly will have 87. Then the Rangers would have to win in regulation the last game against Philly, so the Rangers would have 88pts and Philly would have 87.

Now if the Rangers win in OT tonight and the next game, they both will have 88pts but Philly takes the win's tie breaker.

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04-09-2010, 08:10 AM
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Also, if the Rangers lose in OT in one game, win the other game, and Boston loses their last two games, the Rangers would be in as well. They both would have 87pts, but the Rangers would have 38 wins to Boston's 37. I think at least.

EDIT: Boston losing both games is not out of the question either, as they face a hot Carolina team that played playoff-clinching spoiler last night against Montreal and Washington, who has said they will not be resting AO this weekend.

EDIT2: There is a slim possibility that the Rangers could finish in the 6th seed. If they beat Philly both games, Boston only gets one point in it's last 2 games, and Montreal loses their last game, Boston would be in 8th (87pts w/ 37 wins), Montreal would be in 7th (87pts w/ 39 wins), and the Rangers would have 88pts. Philly would be on the outside looking in.


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No way you pull the goalie tonight. You go for the point to keep the playoffs alive, and try everything you can to get that 2nd point in OT/shootout. If you're unable to get that 2nd point you have sunday to win in regulation to make the playoffs. On sunday you throw everything and the kitchen sink at the flyers.

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No way you pull the goalie tonight. You go for the point to keep the playoffs alive, and try everything you can to get that 2nd point in OT/shootout. If you're unable to get that 2nd point you have sunday to win in regulation to make the playoffs. On sunday you throw everything and the kitchen sink at the flyers.
Only problem with that scenario, is that if the Rangers lose to Philly tonight in OT, yes, they have to win on Sunday, but they need Boston to lose both of their remaining games.

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If the game is tied with under two minutes to play, then do we pull the goalie? On one hand, we'd be risking giving up the goal and getting no points, and we would still be in position to potentially pass either Boston or Montreal even if Philadelphia gained a point. On the other hand, there's no doubt that our best bet is passing Philly, and so by giving them a point we'd be eliminating our likeliest scenario for making the playoffs.

So which do we do?
No, don't pull the goalie.

If we earn a tie and then possibly win the shootout, then we still have tomorrow to get the 2 points and the PO spot.

The only time we yank Henrik is if we are down a point in the standings on Sunday and down a goal or 2 with a few minutes remaining.

Pulling Henrik while we are tied tonight is putting the last nail in your own coffin.


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No, don't pull the goalie.

If we earn a time and then possibly win the shootout, then we still have tomorrow to get the 2 points and the PO spot.

The only time we yank Henrik is if we are down a point in the standings on Sunday and down a goal or 2 with a few minutes remaining.

Pulling Henrik while we are tied tonight is putting the last nail in your own coffin.
exactly...you take it into OT and hope Henrik plays like a birck wall

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Also, if the Rangers lose in OT in one game, win the other game, and Boston loses their last two games, the Rangers would be in as well. They both would have 87pts, but the Rangers would have 38 wins to Boston's 37. I think at least.

EDIT: Boston losing both games is not out of the question either, as they face a hot Carolina team that played playoff-clinching spoiler last night against Montreal and Washington, who has said they will not be resting AO this weekend.

EDIT2: There is a slim possibility that the Rangers could finish in the 6th seed. If they beat Philly both games, Boston only gets one point in it's last 2 games, and Montreal loses their last game, Boston would be in 8th (87pts w/ 37 wins), Montreal would be in 7th (87pts w/ 39 wins), and the Rangers would have 88pts. Philly would be on the outside looking in.
Theres also the possibility that the Caps will be facing the Bruins in the first round, and they wont want to lose that tune up game against a possible first round opponent.

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04-09-2010, 10:06 AM
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As others have said, we have to win both games while winning at least one in regulation. If the games tied late tonight, you take the point and try to win it in OT or a shootout (no easy task with this squad).

A regulation win tonight would be wonderful, setting up a winner take all scenario on Sunday....but we dont NEED a regulation win tonight, just 2 points, somehow.

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As others have said, we have to win both games while winning at least one in regulation. If the games tied late tonight, you take the point and try to win it in OT or a shootout (no easy task with this squad).

A regulation win tonight would be wonderful, setting up a winner take all scenario on Sunday....but we dont NEED a regulation win tonight, just 2 points, somehow.
As a hockey fan, that win and in game would be great to watch.

Being that the Rangers are a better road team it actually favors them. But they have to get their first.

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Only problem with that scenario, is that if the Rangers lose to Philly tonight in OT, yes, they have to win on Sunday, but they need Boston to lose both of their remaining games.
Right, but do you really want to descrease your chances drastically by risking an empty net goal? If that empty netter is scored, it's pretty much game/set/match. Slim to zero chance of making the playoffs.

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As a hockey fan, that win and in game would be great to watch.

Being that the Rangers are a better road team it actually favors them. But they have to get their first.
Agreed.

Especially if it goes to a shootout.

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04-09-2010, 10:43 AM
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What's great is that by 3 PM Sunday, we'll know what we'll need to do. Everybody else we're competing with will be finished (Mon ends season Saturday night, Bos plays at 12 vs Washington on NBC on Sunday) so we'll know whether we can afford an overtime win, an overtime loss, what seed we'd get if we got 1 point, 2 points in reg, 2 points in OT, etc. But first things first- we don't get at least a point tonight, and its mathematically over.

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04-09-2010, 10:47 AM
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Note; we lose in OT tonight, we are still statistically alive. We just cant pass Philly or Montreal.

We lose in Regulation we are officially eliminated.
We lose in OT our odds drop to about 3%
We win in regulation our odds go up too about 50-50
We win in OT our odds go to about 45%

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Probably not tonight but you could see a scenario where the goalie is pulled in a tie game on Sunday.

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Tonight, if that were to happen you go for OT and the win (even though the Rangers are brutal in OT).

If the Rangers win in OT tonight, then on Sunday if the same situation occurs, you pull the goalie.

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im sorry im not trying to be a downer but why does everyone want to make the playoffs.. we seriously have no chance to do anything and i dont see making the playoffs as anything important anymore.. we basically gain nothing from getting swept by washington in the first round.. The object is to WIN the cup.

Ive heard all the other speeches about oh our young players get the playoff experience, but seriously i dont think it does that much, and while thats the ONLY thing we may get as a positive out of that.. we get tossed from a GREAT drafting position.. At pick 6-10 the options will be huge to pick a GREAT first line talent.. PIcking from 16 on is pathetic for a mediocre at best team like us and i dont see anyone being a game changer at that time in the draft. We need YOUNG and CHEAP talented players with the **** sather has put together.

Sorry guys im just tired of drafting 3rd n 4th line players.. we need top talent and making the playoffs this year is just dumb

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Note; we lose in OT tonight, we are still statistically alive. We just cant pass Philly or Montreal.

We lose in Regulation we are officially eliminated.
We lose in OT our odds drop to about 3%
We win in regulation our odds go up too about 50-50
We win in OT our odds go to about 45%
I understand but at this pt screw the stats.......beat Philly in regulation twice and we are in.....balls to the walls time........play like they did in TO and we will be just fine

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Chalf man, as a fan you have to believe we can win. Any given team that makes the playoffs has a chance, no matter how unlikely it is, to win the stanley cup.

This team is better than last years in almost every way as I will show in a post as soon as the season ends.

Was Chereponov a third line player?
Is Del Zotto a 3rd pairing player going forward?

Is Zajac a third line player?

Exactly. We need to become the devils. Longevity. Playoffs every season. Picking good in the middle to late stages of the round. THAT is the recipe for success in this league.

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i do believe in my team, but not in THIS team as constructed.. yea we may be slightly better than last year, but what about the other teams in the conference? well end up facing the caps who are ALOT better n have much more depth this year on offense and defense..

No those players arent 3rd line players but cherapanov RIP isnt on the team nemore.. del zotto is a great dman but isnt a #1 yet.. We have a GREAT defensive prospects but NO offensive dynamos.. We need a player like johansen..

im sorry i just feel like we wont make even a whisper in the playoffs if we make it.. its just how this team plays, NO heart.

Please dont use the devils in anyway for how to build a team. the reason they won was their system and having HOF in Stevens, Daneyko, niedermeyer, all of them with broduer who i personally think isnt the best goalie of all time, hes a great goalie yes, but also a HUGE product of their system.. Anyway, yea the devils have drafted some solid players like parise n martin but honestly have they won nething lately? theyre last cup was like 6yrs ago..

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