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04-09-2010, 08:55 AM
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H. Sedin for Hart; Kesler for Selke

Duhatschek weighs in on the year-end awards:

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Sedin kept the Canucks afloat during all the adversity that team faced - from he absence of his twin brother Daniel during a 16-game injury to the record pre- and post-Olympic road trip. Up until this season, Sedin was known as a durable and reliable performer, who’d grudgingly and gradually earned his stripes as a top-tier player. Nothing that he’d done in his past, however, suggested he could challenge the big boys - that is, until he did.
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Kesler has stepped up his game to another level this season and gave the Canucks arguably the best one-two punch down the middle of any team this season.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle1528762/

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Can't argue with that article. I think that even if Sedin takes the Art Ross, he will be overlooked for the Hart, because the NHL likes to fabricate things and they want one of their pop sensations out of the East to win that trophy.

This should be the candidates for the Hart Trophy IMO

Sedin
Bryzgalov
Miller

However, if Crosby and Ovechkin aren't on the ballads in place of two of those more deserving guys, I will bend over and attempt to kiss my own ass!

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Will Burrows hurt Kesler's Selke chances?

You hear all the time things like "Crosby won't win the Hart because of Malkin." Now, I'm aware that the criteria are different between the Hart and Selke, but with the great season that Burrows has had, especially on the PK, do you think that that could overshadow Kesler to a degree, and hurt his Selke chances?

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Not a chance, absolutely no.

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Zetterberg never hurt Datsyuk's chances.

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Hope both players win.

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As long as Crosby or Ovechkin is within sniffing distance of a major trophy, they'll likely win. Henrik really does deserve serious consideration this year. He has been our most consistant player and really the back-bone of the offence for the entire season. I'd be dissapointed if he isn't in the running.

Kesler has a real chance to win the Selke I think. He's been nominated and has only gotten better since. Rule of thumb is you need a nomination or two and then a good season, (similar to gold gloves in MLB) and he has done that.

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Why does Crosby deserve no mention at all? He plays with putrid wingers, many of their offensive defenders have been hurt, Malkin has been pathetic. He's kept them afloat.

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Hope both players win.
Miller will win hart. Datsyuk will win Selke.

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Miller will win hart. Datsyuk will win Selke.
So you can see the future? Nice!

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So you can see the future? Nice!
Yes I can. Vezina will also go to Miller. And Myers will win the Calder.

You can feel free to bring this post up again when the awards are given out. You'll be amazed at my psychic powers.

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I could care less if either Henrik or Kesler receive any league wide recognition. I know how valuable they are to the Canucks and that's all that matters.

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Crosby will win the Hart. Sedin will finish second. Miller will finish third.

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I think both players will get nominated, but again, both players will get overlooked. Ovechkin will win the Hart, IMO, by virtue of having almost the same numbers as Hank while playing in 12 less games. He also has the name/star power going for him, while Henrik(and Daniel) have always been underappreciated, even now.

And I think the East Coast writers will tilt the Selke in Datsyuk's favour. I think Kesler truly deserves the Selke and this was his year to get it, IMO, but Datsyuk was one of the loan bright lights for the Wings while they battled through injuries and was a big part in their return to the playoff picture down the stretch at both ends of the ice.

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Yes I can. Vezina will also go to Miller. And Myers will win the Calder.

You can feel free to bring this post up again when the awards are given out. You'll be amazed at my psychic powers.
Goalies don't win the Hart.

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Goalies don't win the Hart.
Hasek?

Or do you mean lately?

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Goalies that don't play in Buffalo don't win the Hart.
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I'd actually be quite shocked if Kesler didn't win Selke.

Datsyuk is the only noticeable competition and the stats favour Kesler:

Hits:
Datsyuk: 82
Kesler: 85

Blocked Shots:
Datsyuk: 31
Kesler: 73

Give Aways V Take Aways:

Datsyuk: 72/125
Kesler: 26/82

Short-Handed Mins/Game:

Datsyuk: 0:45 mins/game
Kesler: 2:41 mins/game

Face Offs:

Datsyuk: 55.5%
Kesler: 55.2 %

Points:

Datsyuk: 27 G, 42 A, 69 Points... +16

Kesler: 24 G, 50 A, 74 Points... Even

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I'd actually be quite shocked if Kesler didn't win Selke.

Datsyuk is the only noticeable competition and the stats favour Kesler:

Hits:
Datsyuk: 82
Kesler: 85

Blocked Shots:
Datsyuk: 31
Kesler: 73

Give Aways V Take Aways:

Datsyuk: 72/125
Kesler: 26/82

Short-Handed Mins/Game:

Datsyuk: 0:45 mins/game
Kesler: 2:41 mins/game

Face Offs:

Datsyuk: 55.5%
Kesler: 55.2 %

Points:

Datsyuk: 27 G, 42 A, 69 Points... +16

Kesler: 24 G, 50 A, 74 Points... Even
I agree that Kesler should win the Selke, I just can't shake the suspicion that Datsyuk will get it. He's perennially in competition for the award, he plays in the East, and the resurgence of the Wings since the Olympics has been a hot story.

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Can't argue with that article. I think that even if Sedin takes the Art Ross, he will be overlooked for the Hart, because the NHL likes to fabricate things and they want one of their pop sensations out of the East to win that trophy.

This should be the candidates for the Hart Trophy IMO

Sedin
Bryzgalov
Miller

However, if Crosby and Ovechkin aren't on the ballads in place of two of those more deserving guys, I will bend over and attempt to kiss my own ass!
I think Henrik wont win the heart because he's not deserving of winning it. I think he's definitely top 3 though.

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Yes I can. Vezina will also go to Miller. And Myers will win the Calder.

You can feel free to bring this post up again when the awards are given out. You'll be amazed at my psychic powers.
as long as you don't think you're funny.

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I agree that Kesler should win the Selke, I just can't shake the suspicion that Datsyuk will get it. He's perennially in competition for the award, he plays in the East, and the resurgence of the Wings since the Olympics has been a hot story.
Well it is fairly close, but this year should be Kesler's just looking over the stats briefly.

Yes there's a bias on most awards but I think Selke's actually been one of the more resonable ones over the years.

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Unless a goalie has a truly transcendent and dominating season (as with Hasek in his prime) the Vezina is there for goalies.

The Hart should be between:

Henrik
Ovechkin
Crosby

As far as the Selke - IMHO Burrows should be as much a consideration as Kesler but that would split the votes.

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I think Henrik wont win the heart because he's not deserving of winning it. I think he's definitely top 3 though.
And you rational for him not deserving it?

Seriously... Hart is deemed to be most valuable to his TEAM. Who in the league is more valuable to his team, which player could each team in the league LEAST afford to loose and of those who had the best season?

I think serious Contenders are:

Henrik
Crosby
Miller

If either of those players are missing from their teams line-up for 10 games or more these teams probably are in jeopardy of missing the playoffs. All of these players have had stellar years and carried their teams during prolonged team slumps and or injuries to other core players. I don't think Ovechkin should even be in the discussion because of his suspensions and the fact that the Caps have a winning record when he has not been in the lineup.

So consistency, value to their team, leadership both on the team and league wide in regards to stats, their teams record etc. I think all come into play.

Henrik is a SERIOUS contender in all aspects and I think has a chance to take it.

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^I agree, Petri, but I think much with Naslund in '03, it will depend on the Art Ross. If Hank manages to lock up the Art Ross, I think he would become the automatic favorite to win the Hart Trophy. If he doesn't win the Art Ross, I feel he will not win the Hart. Unfair as that is, I think that's how it would be decided.

I agree with your nominations for the Hart as well. It'll be a toss up between Crosby and Ovechkin for the 3rd nomination, but I certainly agree that Henrik and Miller will be on there.

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I think Crosby has to be on there, especially with the injury to Malkin during the year and the fact that he's changed his game to become more of a scorer now. The fact that he may get 50+ goals is pretty incredible and he's led that team all season game in and game out.

If Ovechkin gets the nod I think it's a slap in the face for the award... nobody who has two or more suspensions in a season should be nominated for the Hart, I don't care who you are. Suspensions indicate selfish and careless play... 'qualities' not associated with the Hart in my mind.

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