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04-11-2010, 03:43 PM
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Flames Players if Darryl Stays

Okay, first off let me say that I don't think Darryl Sutter will be fired. And if he isn't fired, then I don't think Kipper, Iginla or Bouwmeester are going anywhere. I don't think Bourque or Stajan are likely to leave, either, due to fresh, long term contracts.

That leaves a lot of veterans on medium priced contracts, with Regehr or Giordano being the most valuable(also least likely to leave).

My question is this; Who on the Flames would you want on your team? I'm not asking for who you'd give up, or what trade would make sense, I'd just like to get an idea of what players would interest other teams.

As a Hawks fan, I personally don't think any of the Flames players are particularly appealing.

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04-11-2010, 03:48 PM
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He is getting fired, any day now. If he didn't go up in flames then the only commadity that would bring him back anything of value other then the players you mentioned to keep would be Reigher.
Having said that the Toronto maple leafs would like to offer;
finger, grabovski, and gge rights to Wayne primeau
for
r. Reigher

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04-11-2010, 03:52 PM
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I could see Backlund being moved for an upgrade, otherwise he's sticking around. Also, Nystrom REALLY stepped up his play down the stretch, so he's probably not going anywhere. Otherwise it's:

Regehr
Giordano
Moss
Glencross
Langkow
Dawes
Hagman
Kotalik
Pardy
Sarich
White

Anyone think anyone on that list would be a good fit for their team?

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04-11-2010, 04:06 PM
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I could see Backlund being moved for an upgrade, otherwise he's sticking around. Also, Nystrom REALLY stepped up his play down the stretch, so he's probably not going anywhere. Otherwise it's:

Regehr
Giordano
Moss
Glencross
Langkow
Dawes
Hagman
Kotalik
Pardy
Sarich
White

Anyone think anyone on that list would be a good fit for their team?
I can see Dawes getting the Sens interest in atleast a mild form since Clouston coached him with the Kootenay Ice and got great production out of him.

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04-11-2010, 04:14 PM
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I really like Hagman and White but I highly doubt either will be traded back to the Leafs. NYI would probably be a good fit for both, White was a fan favorite in Toronto and plays like he is much bigger than he is.

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What would Calgary want from Toronto for David Moss?

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04-11-2010, 04:40 PM
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Okay, first off let me say that I don't think Darryl Sutter will be fired. And if he isn't fired, then I don't think Kipper, Iginla or Bouwmeester are going anywhere. I don't think Bourque or Stajan are likely to leave, either, due to fresh, long term contracts.

That leaves a lot of veterans on medium priced contracts, with Regehr or Giordano being the most valuable(also least likely to leave).

My question is this; Who on the Flames would you want on your team? I'm not asking for who you'd give up, or what trade would make sense, I'd just like to get an idea of what players would interest other teams.

As a Hawks fan, I personally don't think any of the Flames players are particularly appealing.
That's nave IMO

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What would Calgary want from Toronto for David Moss?
Probably a pick.
He had a tough season this year and had some injuries. Still only a year removed from potting 20.
I think if he can remain healthy next year he can put up between 15-20 if he stays in front of the net and pots some goals.

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04-11-2010, 05:00 PM
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Zero chance Geo gets moved, Regher is far more likely to get shipped out.

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i wouldnt mind if the oilers had glencross back

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I don't have a clue what moves that team can make.

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04-11-2010, 06:59 PM
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I could see Backlund being moved for an upgrade, otherwise he's sticking around. Also, Nystrom REALLY stepped up his play down the stretch, so he's probably not going anywhere. Otherwise it's:

Regehr
Giordano
Moss
Glencross
Langkow
Dawes
Hagman
Kotalik
Pardy
Sarich
White

Anyone think anyone on that list would be a good fit for their team?
White and Giordano should be taken off the list. They aren't #1 guys but when combined with JBo make a fantastic defensive core to build around for potentially the next 7-8 years.

I think you would have to be crazy to trade either.

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04-11-2010, 07:16 PM
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I love White.

Big fan of his when he was here in Toronto.

I have thought all year that he would be an amazing fit for NJD. IT would be the best place for him to play as a player and NJD could use his offensive talents on the backend.

Would not be surpised though is he is looking for a 3-4yr deal in the 2.75-3.5M range. THat might scare off teams close to the cap. PErsonally I would have signed him for 5yrs @3M the first week he was in CGY, but like I said I am a big fan of him so I may be being a bit bias.

Hagman is another guy I really liked here in Toronto. Don't know what happened to him after the trade but was a decent player when he was here. Some team will be able to find a spot for him.

Stajan you won't move because, as much as I have liked the guy his whole carreer, you paid him about 750K-1M a year too much.

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04-11-2010, 08:15 PM
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Stajan you won't move because, as much as I have liked the guy his whole carreer, you paid him about 750K-1M a year too much.
I hate this argument. Let's look at some facts here... just to debunk this. This was pulled off another board.

Stajan is going to be 53rd in cap-hit for centers next year. The fact that he is 53rd indicates he is NOT getting paid like a first line center... more like an, I dunno, 2nd line center.

Comparative players (age, position, role), with 2010 stats:

Matt Stajan: $3.5M, 57 points

R.J. Umberger: $3.75M, 55 points
Tuomo Ruutu: $3.8M, 35 points
Pierre-Marc Bouchard $4.08M, injured (46 points in 08-09)
Shawn Horcoff: $5.5M, 36 points
Valteri Filppula: $3M, 35 points (53 if played a full season)
Jarret Stoll: $3.6M, 46 points
Matthew Lombardi: $1.8M, 53 points (will get a raise this summer)
Joe Pavelski: $1.6M, 51 points (will get a raise this summer)
Ryan Kesler: $5M (next season), 75 points
Stephen Weiss: $3.1M, 60 points (signed before ever hitting the 50-point mark)
Tomas Plekanec: $2.75M, 70 points (will get a raise this summer)
Mike Fisher: $4.2M, 53 points
Mikhail Grabovski: $2.9M, 35 points

Oh, and despite being 53rd in pay, Stajan is 31st in points this year.

Stajan is right on pace as to where he should be paid, given what others are making around the league.

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04-11-2010, 08:19 PM
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White and Giordano should be taken off the list. They aren't #1 guys but when combined with JBo make a fantastic defensive core to build around for potentially the next 7-8 years.

I think you would have to be crazy to trade either.
I'm not saying that they will be traded, or that they all will be traded, but I could see either White, Gio or Regehr being moved for a Center.

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I'm not saying that they will be traded, or that they all will be traded, but I could see either White, Gio or Regehr being moved for a Center.
The Flames have Backlund, Stajan, Langkow, and Sutter at centre.

After the fiasco that happened last year with getting Jokinen, I highly doubt the Flames move for another big contract at centre.

What the Flames actually need is another winger. I can see Regehr being moved for a second line right winger, but I just don't see either of White or Gio going anywhere.

Next year's Flames defence: JBo, White, Staois, Giordano, prospect/pardy, and one of Sarich/Regehr.

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The players that Darryl/Whoever shouldn't trade:

- Backlund
- Kipper
- Giordano
- Bourque
- Bouwmeester
- Iginla

The rest, I can live without.

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04-11-2010, 08:49 PM
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I'd like Hagman and White back on the Leafs.

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I hate this argument. Let's look at some facts here... just to debunk this. This was pulled off another board.

Stajan is going to be 53rd in cap-hit for centers next year. The fact that he is 53rd indicates he is NOT getting paid like a first line center... more like an, I dunno, 2nd line center.
Exactly. He is a great 3rd line C on a winning team and CGY is paying him like a good 2nd line C.

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Comparative players (age, position, role), with 2010 stats:

Matt Stajan: $3.5M, 57 points

R.J. Umberger: $3.75M, 55 points
Tuomo Ruutu: $3.8M, 35 points
Pierre-Marc Bouchard $4.08M, injured (46 points in 08-09)
Shawn Horcoff: $5.5M, 36 points
Valteri Filppula: $3M, 35 points (53 if played a full season)
Jarret Stoll: $3.6M, 46 points
Matthew Lombardi: $1.8M, 53 points (will get a raise this summer)
Joe Pavelski: $1.6M, 51 points (will get a raise this summer)
Ryan Kesler: $5M (next season), 75 points
Stephen Weiss: $3.1M, 60 points (signed before ever hitting the 50-point mark)
Tomas Plekanec: $2.75M, 70 points (will get a raise this summer)
Mike Fisher: $4.2M, 53 points
Mikhail Grabovski: $2.9M, 35 points

Oh, and despite being 53rd in pay, Stajan is 31st in points this year.
HAhaha Stajan has been put into situations which are beyond his abilities and have inflated his numbers.

Think Brendan Morrison when he played with Naslund and Bertuzzi.

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Stajan is right on pace as to where he should be paid, given what others are making around the league.
YOu don't understand. This guy is not 1st or 2nd line material on a winning team. His numbers are so good because he has been put in positions to get points.

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I'd like Hagman and White back on the Leafs.
If we get White back i'll cry in joy

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If we get White back i'll cry in joy
You would not be the only one

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Exactly. He is a great 3rd line C on a winning team and CGY is paying him like a good 2nd line C.

Ahaha Stajan has been put into situations which are beyond his abilities and have inflated his numbers.

Think Brendan Morrison when he played with Naslund and Bertuzzi.


YOu don't understand. This guy is not 1st or 2nd line material on a winning team. His numbers are so good because he has been put in positions to get points.
But... he gets points. 57 points, to be exact. Mainly assists... which, you know, help others to score. You're right, he's leeching off everyone else.

Take out his 57 points, and that's a major chunk of offense gone. Call him what you want, but don't call his numbers inflated... especially if they're assists. Goals, I'll give you that. Assists... not so much.

Plus, I gave you a list of comparative contracts / players, and you couldn't come up with anything to refute that.

And let me say it again: despite being 53rd in the league in pay, Stajan is 31st in points this year. And you seem to think this is a problem? That's great production for someone who is apparently a '3rd line center'.

But hey, believe what you want.


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But... he gets points. 57 points, to be exact. Mainly assists... which, you know, help others to score. You're right, he's leeching off everyone else.

Take out his 57 points, and that's a major chunk of offense gone. Call him what you want, but don't call his numbers inflated... especially if they're assists. Goals, I'll give you that. Assists... not so much.

Plus, I gave you a list of comparative contracts / players, and you couldn't come up with anything to refute that.

And let me say it again: despite being 53rd in the league in pay, Stajan is 31st in points this year. And you seem to think this is a problem? That's great production for someone who is apparently a '3rd line center'.

But hey, believe what you want.

I have to agree with every word of this.

Not only that, people keep using the point that Stajan has been put into situatations that gave him his points..... and what situations were these exactly.

Playing for the Flames, who in his tenure there had the worst offence in the league. Who exactly was he leaching with? In toronto, who were the all stars that he was leaching off there?

Stajan got his points by producing his own offence.

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