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10-25-2011, 07:49 PM
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Look, Ehrhoff made a choice. He could have signed for $4.6M, if Bieksa's number was the cap and played for a guaranteed contender.

He chose not to. I'm not sure how this is MG's fault. Ehrhoff had other priorities obviously and you can't blame him for taking his payday considering the ridiculous total sum he got.

I think it's naive to assume that we could have gotten Ehrhoff for even $5M per. We really have no idea.

Lots of people are blaming Gillis under the assumption that he stiffed Ehrhoff for a paltry $400k. But it works the other way - why couldn't Ehrhoff give up $400k to stay?

Plus, right now we sure miss his single empty net goal and 2 PP points.

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10-25-2011, 08:06 PM
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Look, Ehrhoff made a choice. He could have signed for $4.6M, if Bieksa's number was the cap and played for a guaranteed contender.

He chose not to. I'm not sure how this is MG's fault. Ehrhoff had other priorities obviously and you can't blame him for taking his payday considering the ridiculous total sum he got.

I think it's naive to assume that we could have gotten Ehrhoff for even $5M per. We really have no idea.

Lots of people are blaming Gillis under the assumption that he stiffed Ehrhoff for a paltry $400k. But it works the other way - why couldn't Ehrhoff give up $400k to stay?

Plus, right now we sure miss his single empty net goal and 2 PP points.
Huh? No
It's pretty evident from the beginning that Gillis was planning on keeping either Bieska or Ehrhoff, but not both, there's no cap room

Gillis didn't even have the cap to replace Ehrhoff will a lower salary defenceman, every D in the system just moved up a notch

So it wasn't Ehrhoff's choice, that's just window dressing talk, Gillis obviously had no intention of signing him because he picked Bieska

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10-25-2011, 08:07 PM
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I think a lot of people here are really underestimating how hard it is to get key players/pieces for a team. It's not like the Canucks organizations says, "hey we need a top-6 power forward", and the universe responds "*bink*, here u go GMMG!"

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10-25-2011, 08:14 PM
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I think gillis could have relented and gave Ehrhoff a 7 year / 35 million contract. Ehrhoff would for sure have accepted that.

REally dissapointed with his stubbornness, ehrhoff was a key player.

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10-25-2011, 08:21 PM
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regarding erhoff. it was either keep him, let bieska walk, salo stays or walks. ballard traded. but it was quite the opposite. the pp this year hasnt been the same without erhoff. he's the key to the pp.

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10-25-2011, 09:25 PM
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I agree Erhroff was a loss and I would've preferred too keep him rather then Bieksa..But there was no way Gillis was going to sign Christian to a 7 or 10 year contract..That would be like a slap in the face to the Sedins who were denied a 12 year deal or something like that..

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10-25-2011, 09:32 PM
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Look, Ehrhoff made a choice. He could have signed for $4.6M, if Bieksa's number was the cap and played for a guaranteed contender.

He chose not to. I'm not sure how this is MG's fault. Ehrhoff had other priorities obviously and you can't blame him for taking his payday considering the ridiculous total sum he got.

I think it's naive to assume that we could have gotten Ehrhoff for even $5M per. We really have no idea.

Lots of people are blaming Gillis under the assumption that he stiffed Ehrhoff for a paltry $400k. But it works the other way - why couldn't Ehrhoff give up $400k to stay?

Plus, right now we sure miss his single empty net goal and 2 PP points.
400K to stay?

You mean $2M. 400K a year for 5 years is giving up 2M.

We could have kept Ehrhoff for that number on longer term.

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10-26-2011, 02:07 AM
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This season, Bieksa has done nothing to show me that he has turned the corner on his consistent "play badly, play awesome in contract year, repeat" process. If the choice truly was between Bieksa and Erhrhoff, it really doesn't appear to be the best decision, given Erhrhoff signs for 5-5.5 mil/year. Of course, the season is young, although I really hope Bieksa doesn't mail it in again for the course of this contract.

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10-26-2011, 02:12 AM
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Ehrhoff's got 1g4a in 7gp, -6 though. Salo's got 3g3a in 8gp, and +5. Getting paid less, and is on a shorter term contract too.

Therefore Salo>Ehrhoff.

All jokes aside our PP just lost two of our better pointmen, and it's gone down the toilet (so far).

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10-26-2011, 02:19 AM
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Salo is about the only positive on a blue line that has been absolutely dreadful to start the season. He's playing some of his best hockey of the last 5 or so years.

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10-26-2011, 02:22 AM
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Salo is about the only positive on a blue line that has been absolutely dreadful to start the season. He's playing some of his best hockey of the last 5 or so years.
The blueline has looked about as good as it did in the SCF.

We are wasting 4.2M on a guy who plays no PP time and 12 minutes a game. It's just awful allocation of cap space.

Our PP looks way less dangerous w/o Ehrhoff and the PP was the best way to keep other teams in check when they try to push us around.

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10-26-2011, 03:42 AM
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The blueline has looked about as good as it did in the SCF.

We are wasting 4.2M on a guy who plays no PP time and 12 minutes a game. It's just awful allocation of cap space.

Our PP looks way less dangerous w/o Ehrhoff and the PP was the best way to keep other teams in check when they try to push us around.
Veterans didnt get much pre season time to work together which has not helped PP has not looked terrible eitther id bet though its not a worry once they get Booth figured in and get going.

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10-26-2011, 10:54 PM
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Ehrhoff's got 1g4a in 7gp, -6 though. Salo's got 3g3a in 8gp, and +5. Getting paid less, and is on a shorter term contract too.

Therefore Salo>Ehrhoff.

All jokes aside our PP just lost two of our better pointmen, and it's gone down the toilet (so far).
The one goal is an empty-netter and the only two of the assists are PP points.

My point is that there's no point constantly whining "Oh we miss Ehrhoff" when his departure was a two-way street, and he's not coming back. If we can't make up for him, we're clearly not as good as we think we are.

Why don't we just find a way to win.
Screw whether Ehrhoff left or not. Screw how bad Luongo is playing right now. Screw whatever other little details we're all obsessing about. Find a way to win. Overcome adversity. It's a team, not a collection of individuals.

That's what we're all missing with all this talk about particular players who are here are not. Right now the whole team is not getting the job done.

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10-26-2011, 11:40 PM
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We definitely did not improve in the offseason.

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