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04-14-2010, 12:21 PM
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Current State of the Forwards

I think this warrants its own thread. No player bashing please, but let's discuss the merits of where you think the talent level of our forwards lines up. Prospects are for players that have the potential to possibly crack the lineup next year.

Here is my personal opinion, and it doesn't look good.

First Liners
Gaborik

Second Liners
Prospal
Dubinsky
Christensen

Third Liners
Drury
Callahan
Anisimov

Fourth Liners
Avery
Prust
Shelley

Fringe Players
Boyle
Lisin
Voros
Brashear

Prospects
Weise
Parenteau
Byers

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04-14-2010, 12:43 PM
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IMO Avery is a 3rd liner, Boyle is a 4th liner.

I don't really consider PAP a prospect anymore either.

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04-14-2010, 12:48 PM
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I think this warrants its own thread. No player bashing please, but let's discuss the merits of where you think the talent level of our forwards lines up. Prospects are for players that have the potential to possibly crack the lineup next year.

Here is my personal opinion, and it doesn't look good.

First Liners
Gaborik

Second Liners
Prospal
Dubinsky

Third Liners
Drury
Callahan
Anisimov
Christensen

Fourth Liners
Avery
Prust
Shelley

Fringe Players
Boyle
Lisin
Voros
Brashear
one small change made

EC sorta filled a 2nd/3rd line role here but i wouldn't consider him a 2nd line player....he hasn't showed that yet

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04-14-2010, 12:49 PM
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one small change made

EC sorta filled a 2nd/3rd line role here but i wouldn't consider him a 2nd line player....he hasn't showed that yet
IMO he has, he brought it every night once he got settled in here. Even if he was held off the scoresheet he wasn't invisible. Would like to see him do it all season, but he was one of our best players from before the deadline all the way to the end of the year

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IMO he has, he brought it every night once he got settled in here. Even if he was held off the scoresheet he wasn't invisible. Would like to see him do it all season, but he was one of our best players from before the deadline all the way to the end of the year
you make a case, but i dont think the sample size was big enough to cinsider him a 2nd liner, especially considering the inconsistancy he showed during that time

if it helps in understanding where I'm coming from, Dubinsky's inconsistancy puts him pretty close to the 2nd/3rd line border at this point in time

i left potential compeltely out of it

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04-14-2010, 02:17 PM
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I think you have to distinguish players that can play on lines as a complement (like Christensen can play on the top two lines, or Dubinsky can play on the first line) and players that define a line and can carry them (like Gaborik).
I'd go as far as saying we only have one real top-6 (in this case even first line) player in Gaborik. A team doesn't need (and seldom has) six true top-6 players, but a good team should definitely have more than one.

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IMO Avery is a 3rd liner, Boyle is a 4th liner.

I don't really consider PAP a prospect anymore either.
Agreed on Avery, agreed on Pappy. Boyle, I'm not so sure. He's somewhere between "Fringe" and "4th Line" to me...fringe fourth liner, haha. But then I guess Voros is, too.

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one small change made

EC sorta filled a 2nd/3rd line role here but i wouldn't consider him a 2nd line player....he hasn't showed that yet
In my opinion Christensen is completely wasted on the 3rd line. His skillset just doesn't have what it takes to be a bottom 6 player.

I think from what I've seen from in I can see he can produce effectively in the top 6.

And I'm talking in terms of pure skill, lines notwithstanding.

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I think this warrants its own thread. No player bashing please, but let's discuss the merits of where you think the talent level of our forwards lines up. Prospects are for players that have the potential to possibly crack the lineup next year.

Here is my personal opinion, and it doesn't look good.

First Liners
Gaborik

Second Liners
Prospal
Dubinsky
Christensen

Third Liners
Drury
Callahan
Anisimov

Fourth Liners
Avery
Prust
Shelley

Fringe Players
Boyle
Lisin
Voros
Brashear

Prospects
Weise
Parenteau
Byers
If Callahan is a 3rd liner, I fail to see how Christensen is a 2nd.

Parenteau is 27. He's not a prospect.

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If Callahan is a 3rd liner, I fail to see how Christensen is a 2nd.
Its all about playing style. Cally is a grinder. Christensen is a skill player who complements Gaborik.

Christensen averaged a better PPG while he was here than Cally despite spending some games on the 4th line.

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If Callahan is a 3rd liner, I fail to see how Christensen is a 2nd.

Parenteau is 27. He's not a prospect.
If you read the OP, I qualify "prospect" as being someone with the possibility of cracking the lineup.

Fitzy said it best.

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Its all about playing style. Cally is a grinder. Christensen is a skill player who complements Gaborik.

Christensen averaged a better PPG while he was here than Cally despite spending some games on the 4th line.

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Callahan only had 17 even strength points this year and was a -12

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Very interesting post NYRFAN. During one of Mitch Beck's discussions (of Howlings), he was praising Weise, Byers, and their linemate, Kris Newbury (deadline - Jordan Owens deal). He thinks they would be the perfect 4th line for the Rangers. Obviously, due to the abundance of 3rd and 4th liners on the NHL squad, it's a bit unrealistic. Just thought I'd pass that along.

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Very interesting post NYRFAN. During one of Mitch Beck's discussions (of Howlings), he was praising Weise, Byers, and their linemate, Kris Newbury (deadline - Jordan Owens deal). He thinks they would be the perfect 4th line for the Rangers. Obviously, due to the abundance of 3rd and 4th liners on the NHL squad, it's a bit unrealistic. Just thought I'd pass that along.
yeah, they'd be the perfect 4th line when we already had a perfect 4th line. Great input from that guy, let's just field three fourth lines to compliment the Gaborik line

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Lisin is 22 years old and he's fringe?

Pappy is 26 and he's a prospect?

Am I the only one who thinks of Lisin as a prospect still? He is young and looks like he's willing to learn. Torts just seems to hate his game which isn't bad. He's damn fast.

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