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04-13-2010, 10:53 AM
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Your 2010-2011 Tampa Bay Lightning team

im just wondering what you guys would do if you were the GM of the Lightning im also bored at work. Try to be as realistic as possible. Stay under the cap and have fun! for contracts i would use cap geek: http://www.capgeek.com/cap_calculator.php?Team=28
lets say the cap will be $58.8M

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AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
* Ted Purcell ($0.750m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.250m)
Ryan Malone ($4.500m) / Steven Stamkos ($3.725m) / * Steve Downie ($1.500m)
* Paul Szczechura ($0.700m) / Johan Harju ($0.787m) / * Cullen ($3.500m)
Todd Fedoruk ($1.058m) / * Zenon Konopka ($0.600m) / * Nate Thompson ($0.650m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Kubina ($4.000m) / Victor Hedman ($3.500m)
Mattias Ohlund ($3.607m) / * Mike Lundin ($1.000m)
* Paul Ranger ($1.200m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Matt Smaby ($0.525m)
GOALTENDERS
* Ellis ($2.500m) / Mike Smith ($2.200m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 21; PAYROLL: $54.447m; CAP ROOM: $6.613m BONUSES: $5.450m

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I've heard the cap is going to be at 57.7m

As for my roster:
AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.250m) / Ryan Malone ($4.500m)
Steven Stamkos ($3.725m) / * Matt Cullen ($3.000m) / * Steve Downie ($1.600m)
Todd Fedoruk ($1.058m) / James Wright ($1.005m) / * Ted Purcell ($0.750m)
* Aaron Asham ($0.675m) / * Nate Thompson ($0.650m) / * Paul Szczechura ($0.650m)
* Zenon Konopka ($0.500m)
DEFENSEMEN
* Paul Martin ($4.500m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Mattias Ohlund ($3.607m) / Victor Hedman ($3.500m)
Ty Wishart ($1.122m) / * Mike Lundin ($0.900m)
* Kurtis Foster ($0.850m) / Matt Smaby ($0.525m)
GOALTENDERS
* Dan Ellis ($2.500m) / * Antero Niittymaki ($1.300m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 23; PAYROLL: $55.061m; CAP ROOM: $5.999m BONUSES: $6.050m

I got rid of Smith and Walker. You can also interchangeably flip Cullen with Madden. I didn't worry about the specifics of what the minimum QO is. It'll be in that general area, and there's enough room both in cap and roster for adjustment.

I also know I still need a top six forward in there. One may come from a deal involving Smith and/or Walker, but there should be enough cap room to accommodate that.


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Few notes:

Z will command a bit more. I'd guess more in the 600-650k range. I do believe hes worth it.

I think Downie might come in closer to the 2.0m mark. Purcell probably comes in at 660-700k. James Wright at a million? Hes signed through 11-12, and will make 670k next year.

Lundin will be an RFA, and if i'm the new GM i'd try to lock him up for 2-3 years at 1-1.5m. I'd also give Scott Jackson one more shot (hes RFA) and see if you can lock him in as a 6 guy for sub-1m. Have to figure they'll resign Mihalik too, keeping Wishart in the minors one more year, and Lashoff possibly getting the same treatment.

Veilleux, Fedoruk, Tanguay I let walk. I at least inquire what Niitty wants, but don't pencil him in. Try to drag Ramo or Koshechkin over. Also talk to LA about who they have waiting in the wings in net, ask about Jon Bernier, see if there is any interest in moving him and what it would take.

See what Foster is asking for, see if you can play with him on a sub-2m number. He'll most likely get more in the FA market but you better ****ing try. Find out where Ranger is and lowball him a bit if hes serious about coming back. Hale walks. See if anyone wants Matt Walker if we can get a decent coach that can return Smaby to form. Hes a faster, cheaper version of him (that doesn't fight, though).

Too many scenarios in my head to really play with at this point. I'd like us to become more efficient on the backend and try to return a few guys to form before we really talk about moving anyone. We'll be able to resign Stamkos just fine, and Hedman for that matter, but you at least want to see if you can get Meszaros back into the puckmover you know he is, increase his value, and avoid getting scraps for him.

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Ryan Malone (4.5) Steven Stamkos (3.75) Martin St. Louis (5.25)
Alexander Frolov (4.00) Vincent Lecavalier (7.27) Steve Downie (1.8)
(Blair Jones (.700) or Johan Harju (.787) } Brendan Morrison (2.00) Dana Tyrell (.845)
Glen Metropolit (1.2) Zenon Konopka (.600) Aaron Asham (1.00)


Paul Martin (4.00) Mike Lundin (1.5)
Mattias Ohlund (3.607) Victor Hedman (3.5)
{Sergei Gonchar (5.00) or Pavel Kubina (4.00) } Andrej Meszaros (4.00)


Mike Smith (2.2)
Vasily Koshechkin (.800)

Total-57.522 Million.

Obviously im banking on smith coming back strong and im really banking on koshechkin being the real deal. Foward and defense wise, i really like these lines, with paul ranger being a wild card.

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Ryan Malone (4.5) Steven Stamkos (3.75) Martin St. Louis (5.25)
Alexander Frolov (4.00) Vincent Lecavalier (7.27) Steve Downie (1.8)
(Blair Jones (.700) or Johan Harju (.787) } Brendan Morrison (2.00) Dana Tyrell (.845)
Glen Metropolit (1.2) Zenon Konopka (.600) Aaron Asham (1.00)


Paul Martin (4.00) Mike Lundin (1.5)
Mattias Ohlund (3.607) Victor Hedman (3.5)
{Sergei Gonchar (5.00) or Pavel Kubina (4.00) } Andrej Meszaros (4.00)


Mike Smith (2.2)
Vasily Koshechkin (.800)

Total-57.522 Million.

Obviously im banking on smith coming back strong and im really banking on koshechkin being the real deal. Foward and defense wise, i really like these lines, with paul ranger being a wild card.
i'm sorry, but there is no way we spend up to the cap for a roster that may not even get us into the playoffs. I'd rather save some $$ and give young guys spots

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i'm sorry, but there is no way we spend up to the cap for a roster that may not even get us into the playoffs. I'd rather save some $$ and give young guys spots
Well im sorry but any of these teams with nate thompson and todd fedoruk on the team are not going to make it to the playoffs. Besides kubina, and the lightning guys, all of the free agent acquisitions made it to the playoffs so i would think they are pretty good complimentary players.

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Well im sorry but any of these teams with nate thompson and todd fedoruk on the team are not going to make it to the playoffs. Besides kubina, and the lightning guys, all of the free agent acquisitions made it to the playoffs so i would think they are pretty good complimentary players.
Fedoruk I can understand but Thompson's PK skills would be welcome on any team.

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Well im sorry but any of these teams with nate thompson and todd fedoruk on the team are not going to make it to the playoffs. Besides kubina, and the lightning guys, all of the free agent acquisitions made it to the playoffs so i would think they are pretty good complimentary players.
I don't understand the Thompson hate and I don't see how Thompson wasn't a good substitute for Halpern and even an upgrade over Jones (sorry Blair). I would definitely keep him unless we get to sign Madden for at least half a million less than he's earning right now.

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Theres got to be a few reasons why a guy doesn't stay on the new york islanders in the state that they are in. Hes just not good enough and he never will be.

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There are so many variables for next season's team that I just can't think about it without my brain hurting.

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Wright's cap hit is a bit over a million. He'll collect $670,000 next season (assuming he's on the roster the whole time) while he has possible bonuses adding up to another $300,000. The remaining money on the hit comes from the raise he's getting in 11-12.

Konopka going from .450 to .600 or .650 is really quite negligible in the scheme of things.

I do like Stammerhammer91's roster for including Brendan Morrison. However, as much as I've always liked the guy, I can't see it realistically happening. Since he's done well in Washington, why would he sign in Tampa to play the same role? It's also why I didn't include Mike Grier.


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Tampa Bay Lightning

TRADES

Derek Brassard
Nikita Filatov
Kristian Huselius
1st 2010 (4th)


Vincent Lecavalier
Alex Tanguay
2nd 2011
3rd 2010


DRAFT
4th: Eric Gudbransson
6th: Brett Connolly


UFA
Pavel Kubina 3 years $4.5M per
Dan Ellis 4 years $2M per
John Madden 1 year $1.5M per
Marek Svatos 1 year $1.5M per


ROSTER

Steve Downie ($1.821m) - Steven Stamkos ($3.725m) - Martin St. Louis ($5.250m)
Nikita Filatov ($2.195m) - Derek Brassard ($3.200m) - Ryan Malone ($4.500m)
Kristian Huselius ($4.750m) - John Madden ($1.500m) - Marek Svatos ($1.500m)
Ted Purcell ($1.000m) - Todd Fedoruk ($1.058m) - Zenon Konopka ($0.600m)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mattias Ohlund ($3.600m) - Victor Hedman ($3.500m)
Pavel Kubina ($4.500m) - Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Matt Walker ($1.700m) - Paul Ranger ($1.200m)
----------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ellis ($2.000m)
Mike Smith ($2.200m)

CAP ROOM: $8.237m


PROSPECTS
1 Eric Gudbransson
2 Brett Connolly
3 Carter Ashton
4 Dustin Tokarski
5 Richard Panik




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Why in the world would you sign Mike Smith over Nitty? Absolutely amazes me that so many people miss the obvious including Rick Tocchet. If Nitty starts those 9 SE Division games that Smith started, the Lightning would have had 12-18 more points. To not sign him is Divisional Suicide.

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Maybe because Tampa doesnt need to since he has another year left on his contract

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Maybe because Tampa doesnt need to since he has another year left on his contract
So you're going to go with Mike Smith????

Here's what you're basically giving up.

Nitty is 38-9 (couldn't find overtime loses, they are listed as just a loss) versus the SE Division.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/...YF?year=career

Mike Smith is 6-19 versus the SE Division again, they don't break out OT loses, they just show loses at this site.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/...YF?year=career

Keeping Mike Smith over Antero Niittymaki is just insane. I hope for this teams future that the new owner is made aware of these stats. That kind of dominance is not luck, he's in the head of those teams and we play those teams the most.

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Tampa Bay Lightning

TRADES

Derek Brassard
Nikita Filatov
Kristian Huselius
1st 2010 (4th)


Vincent Lecavalier
Alex Tanguay
2nd 2010 (36th)


DRAFT
4th: Eric Gudbransson
6th: Brett Connolly


UFA
Pavel Kubina 3 years $4.5M per
Dan Ellis 4 years $2M per
John Madden 1 year $1.5M per
Marek Svatos 1 year $1.5M per


ROSTER

Steve Downie ($1.821m) - Steven Stamkos ($3.725m) - Martin St. Louis ($5.250m)
Nikita Filatov ($2.195m) - Derek Brassard ($3.200m) - Ryan Malone ($4.500m)
Kristian Huselius ($4.750m) - John Madden ($1.500m) - Marek Svatos ($1.500m)
Ted Purcell ($1.000m) - Todd Fedoruk ($1.058m) - Zenon Konopka ($0.600m)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mattias Ohlund ($3.600m) - Victor Hedman ($3.500m)
Pavel Kubina ($4.500m) - Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Matt Walker ($1.700m) - Paul Ranger ($1.200m)
----------------------------------------------------------
Dan Ellis ($2.000m)
Mike Smith ($2.200m)

CAP ROOM: $8.237m


PROSPECTS
1 Eric Gudbransson
2 Brett Connolly
3 Carter Ashton
4 Dustin Tokarski
5 Richard Panik


Vinny has a NMC and would not leave
Tanguay is a UFA so you can just bid on him
We do not have a 2nd in 2010

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Felonious Python- Yea i really like how morrison has played this year and i doubt any of the guys that i have will actuallly sign with the lightning, haha. But if they do then that would be great in my book. It said we could sign whoever so i just had fun with it.


Caps fan 19-I love that trade for the lightning but i highly doubt any blue jackets fan would do that. you never know though there are some stupid gms out there, well one less then there was now that lawton's gone.
(quick comment, i don't think the lightning have a second round pick this year)

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damn oh well but it would have been a good idea dont you think?

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Felonious Python- Yea i really like how morrison has played this year and i doubt any of the guys that i have will actuallly sign with the lightning, haha. But if they do then that would be great in my book. It said we could sign whoever so i just had fun with it.


Caps fan 19-I love that trade for the lightning but i highly doubt any blue jackets fan would do that. you never know though there are some stupid gms out there, well one less then there was now that lawton's gone.
(quick comment, i don't think the lightning have a second round pick this year)
i think the Jackets would have done it because yes Filatov is a good prospect but is he evr going to play for Columbus? Unlikely, Brassard has really dropped off this and last season. Huselius is mr incosistant and would be used to i guess even out tha salaries. And Columbus has never had a true number one center in the history of the franchise and i dont think thay wouls pass up on an oppertunity to get VL4.

edit: the pick is property of the Panthers whoops

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Can't see why anyone thinks we should take Kubina back at that salary....we didn't want to pay him that when he left and Toronto didn't want to pay him after they saw what they got....

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Can't see why anyone thinks we should take Kubina back at that salary....we didn't want to pay him that when he left and Toronto didn't want to pay him after they saw what they got....
yeah but toronto does that with every player

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i don't care who we sign. I'm more worried about the people in charge

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If "build from the net out" is as commonly applied as it is talked about then I think whoever is in charge this offseason really REALLLY has their work cut out for them.


Goaltending - IMO, this will be the defining decision of our new managements offseason. None of the high paid UFAs available are too enticing (Nabby, Turco, Theodore, Toskala et. al.). Lower cost UFAs (Nitty included) are likely the 'safest' route, but, don't really upgrade a position that needs some upgrading (Ellis, Biron, Budaj). While I think the team has the assets to trade for a truly Elite currently relevant starting goalie, I don't see many situations where teams might consider trading their money-tender away...for anything. Then there are the slew of prospects in the system all of whom are likely too risky for a new mgmt. team to rest their first season upon (with good reason).

I guess I lean most toward trying to trade for one of the RFA goalies who might be ready but aren't getting the chance/dollars from their current team (Schneider, Price, Harding, Niemi, Halak). I think we can only keep 1 of Smith or Nitty regardless of who the other goalie is.

Further, I'd look to shore up the prospect pipeline in net. Come to some sort of consensus on how Ramo, Helenius, and/or Koschechkin fit into this organization's future. If the answer is 'they don't', fine, look to move them. If they're able to get a big boys job, now is the time, the Lightning have an opening. If they aren't able or don't want to try, then its time to move on. Tokarski and Janus and whoever else our new GM drafts/trades for are squeezing them out from below.

Want : Harding or Niemi and Nitty
Expect : Biron and Smith

Defense - How the goaltending decision plays out will greatly influence how our defense is addressed. Based off performance it is the area I most want to see upheaval and change, based off players under contract (some long ones too) it is the most difficult to alter too much from what we just saw...suck...all year. Honestly, I'm fine with any defensemen on this team not being on this team next year (though if Hedman isn't it better be because we acquired one of the unavailable elite goalies hinted at above).

There is a good market for defenseman shopping this offseason. Plenty of UFA options that interest me more than ones on the team this year. Will be tough to compete contractually for any of the higher costing options, especially as regards giving out MORE long term deals goes. But, I think there are still some nice choices that could come in at or below what Ohlund or Mesz make on shorter term deals.

I'd actively seek to move 3-4 defensemen out from within the entire system, minors included, in trades. To open up the ability to change the most fundamentally deficient aspect of this team we need to clear some dead weight.

want: 2 of Hamhuis, Volchenkov, Michalek, Mitchell, or Martin added to Hedman, Ohlund, Lundin, and Ranger. Sub Wishart or Lashoff in for Ranger if he's not back. Walker or Smaby as the 7th with the other one gone entirely.

expect: Foster brought back for more money. Inability to move Mesz, Ohlund or Walker. Ranger and Lundin both back on reasonable deals. Hedman earning a regular spot over everyone else in the system. Nobody else good enough to get more than a glance come camp.

(the pessimistic me hates to think about our defense and where its going)



Offense - Although I wouldn't actively try to subtract parts of our offense I can see where they might be valuable to others in trade. Just because I don't want any of them moved doesn't mean a new GM might not find it the best way to building this team to his liking.

3rd line center and a versatile LW (or someone who can play here, there, and everywhere) seem to be the biggest needs, and both are certainly secondary needs compared to the goaltending and defense. The 4th line center 'should' be Konopka. If for any reason he isn't brought back then it can go to Thompson or Jones, or even some entirely new yet equally as discounted cost. Same with the wings on that line. If we can't find talented enough cheap options able to beat guys like Fedoruk and Hall out of jobs then..we suck...and they'll be on the 4th line next year.

I would like to see 2-3 spots in our forward core be filled from within. Purcell, Szchechura, Wright, Tyrell, Harju, Hutchings, Ashton, Jones, Karsums, Simek, Tukonen, Panik, Fadden or any of the odd Russians still left in the back corners of the cupboard from when our Soviet overlords ran the Lightning draft. Might even be someone in the draft at 6 able to earn a surprise spot in camp.

wants:2 of Morrison, Madden, Lombardi, Torres, or Holmstrom
expects: Prospal to inexplicably find his way back and a few other totally unnotable bottom 6 type guys willing to play for little dollars and/or short terms.


My 10/11 Lightning?

St. Louis - Stamkos - Downie
Lombardi - Lecavalier - Purcell
Malone - Morrison - Ashton/Wright/Tyrell
Szchechura - Konopka - Thompson/Jones/Other

Martin/Michalek - Ranger
Hedman - Hamhuis
Ohlund - Lundin
Wishart

Harding
Nitty




I've got a funny feeling all our best imaginings of what may happen or what we expect to happen will look silly in retrospect come sometime in late July. Tough to guess with any substance not knowing who is CEO, GM, Coach and what their consensus philosophy and direction will be when it comes to building this team.


Sure would be nice to be watching Lightning playoff games instead of posting offseason thoughts this time next year.

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I think if we could get Kubina back at about half his salary, we should do that. Or a Hamhuis or a Volchenkov. We have to sign a UFA D IMO, an older, veteran type of player. But one who is still useful and has been in the NHL for awhile (I know Volchenkov is only 26 but he's been in the NHL for awhile).

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