HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Redden looks like a goner, Avery maybe

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-14-2010, 02:30 PM
  #151
GAGLine
HFBoards Sponsor
 
GAGLine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,058
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by UAGoalieGuy View Post
The Rangers have plunty of cap space to re-sign both those guys without waiving Redden. The waiving of Redden will be because the Rangers signed or traded for a top 4 d-man (More then likely at least).
I think "plunty" is an overstatement

If Staal gets 3.5 and Girardi gets 2.5 (and Girardi may get more, being arbitration eligible), that's almost 4 million more than they cost this year. Factor in the cost of replacing Jokinen, and pretty much all of that cap space is gone. Then we still have to re-sign or replace Prospal. Our other UFA/RFAs won't get signficant raises, but money will be tight. I'm guessing that Sather will only offer Staal a 2 year deal at around 2 mil per year to save some cap space, but it will bite us in the ass in 2 years when we have to pay him 4+ mil per year in arbitration.

GAGLine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:31 PM
  #152
UAGoalieGuy
Registered User
 
UAGoalieGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Long Island,New York
Country: United States
Posts: 9,260
vCash: 500
I don't see Avery going anywhere. He will be in New York for at least another season.

My ideal 3rd line would be:

Avery - Drury - Callahan

To have that line, the Rangers would have to get a 2nd line RW'er (A stop-gag to a 1 year contract that would be relatively cheap, may be?). Don't see them doing that though. I'd like to see a line-up of:

MZA/Dubinsky - Christiansen - Gaborik
Dubinksy/MZA - Anisimov - FA RW'er (Holmstrom?)
Avery - Drury - Callahan
Prust - Boyle - Shelley

Staal - Roszival
Volchenkov - MDZ
Girardi - Sangs/Sauer/McD
Eriksson

Waive Redden / Get rid of Brashear / Waive or trade Voros / Gilroy dealt to move up or add another pick

UAGoalieGuy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:33 PM
  #153
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 20,041
vCash: 500
I made a similar lineup earlier, UA, and if MZA signs for 1 mil, Staal signs for 4 and Girardi 2.5, Volchenkov 5, we're only at around 52 million. Course I has Weise in instead of Holmstrom, and bumped Callahan and Prust a line.

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:38 PM
  #154
1Knee1T
OHH MAMMA DONT U CRY
 
1Knee1T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 3,198
vCash: 500
Alright, I've been staring at this page for 5 minutes trying to figure out who MZA is. A little help please?

1Knee1T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:39 PM
  #155
Dredden
JT Miller
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 1,430
vCash: 500
Redden better be in the ahl.

Get me Michalek or Volchenkov and I will be happy.

I just have that feeling Sathers gonna go after Kovy. If he does, it better be frontloaded like Hossa and Pronger.

Dredden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:42 PM
  #156
Dredden
JT Miller
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 1,430
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TullyNYR View Post
Alright, I've been staring at this page for 5 minutes trying to figure out who MZA is. A little help please?
Mats Zuccarello Aasen, Foward

Norwegian player playing in SEL and put up some big numbers.

Had an impressive showing at the Olympics.

Knock is his size. 5"7-5"8

Rumor had it, that he was meeting with sather weeks back.

Dredden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:47 PM
  #157
UAGoalieGuy
Registered User
 
UAGoalieGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Long Island,New York
Country: United States
Posts: 9,260
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAGLine View Post
I think "plunty" is an overstatement

If Staal gets 3.5 and Girardi gets 2.5 (and Girardi may get more, being arbitration eligible), that's almost 4 million more than they cost this year. Factor in the cost of replacing Jokinen, and pretty much all of that cap space is gone. Then we still have to re-sign or replace Prospal. Our other UFA/RFAs won't get signficant raises, but money will be tight. I'm guessing that Sather will only offer Staal a 2 year deal at around 2 mil per year to save some cap space, but it will bite us in the ass in 2 years when we have to pay him 4+ mil per year in arbitration.
With the salary cap going up to $57.7 million next season, the Rangers will have $13.7 million in cap space. They have 8 forwards (Gaborik, Drury, Callahan, Dubinsky, Avery, Voros, Boyle, and Anisimov), 4 D-men (Roszival, Redden, Gilroy, and MDZ), and 1 goalie (Lundqvist) signed.

The Rangers will more then likely bring back all of Prust, Shelley, Christiansen, and Eriksson (as the 7th D). Let's say they get $800K each, so that is $3.2 million, bringing the Rangers available cap down to $10.5 million.

Then the Rangers bring back Staal for the $3.5 million and Girardi for the $2.5 million you listed. That brinngs the Rangers available down to $4.5 million.

Then the Rangers add a back-up goalie, let's say Hedberg, for around $1 million. That brings the Rangers available cap down to $3.5 million. The Rangers would have 11 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalies under contract then.

This is not the best scenario for the Rangers, because it would be just about the same exact team that they iced this season, and we all know how that worked out. I wouldn't want this to happen lol. If the Rangers brought all those guys back and then waived Redden, they would have $10 million in cap space to work with, and have to sign 2 more players (1 forward and 1 D-man).

UAGoalieGuy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:48 PM
  #158
1Knee1T
OHH MAMMA DONT U CRY
 
1Knee1T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 3,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SI Ranger View Post
Mats Zuccarello Aasen, Foward

Norwegian player playing in SEL and put up some big numbers.

Had an impressive showing at the Olympics.

Knock is his size. 5"7-5"8

Rumor had it, that he was meeting with sather weeks back.
Oh, Aasen. I was thinking more in terms of prospects since people said he would sign for 1 mil.

I doubt he goes that cheap.

1Knee1T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:49 PM
  #159
Fitzy
All Is Well
 
Fitzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 20,041
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TullyNYR View Post
Oh, Aasen. I was thinking more in terms of prospects since people said he would sign for 1 mil.

I doubt he goes that cheap.
Thought it needed to be an entry level contract.

Fitzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:49 PM
  #160
nyr2k2
Can't Beat Him
 
nyr2k2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Country: United States
Posts: 24,705
vCash: 50
Awards:
UAGG, don't forget Brashear. Unless he's traded, he'll count against the cap.

__________________

It's just pain.
nyr2k2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:49 PM
  #161
mullichicken25
Registered User
 
mullichicken25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,599
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by UAGoalieGuy View Post
With the salary cap going up to $57.7 million next season, the Rangers will have $13.7 million in cap space. They have 8 forwards (Gaborik, Drury, Callahan, Dubinsky, Avery, Voros, Boyle, and Anisimov), 4 D-men (Roszival, Redden, Gilroy, and MDZ), and 1 goalie (Lundqvist) signed.

The Rangers will more then likely bring back all of Prust, Shelley, Christiansen, and Eriksson (as the 7th D). Let's say they get $800K each, so that is $3.2 million, bringing the Rangers available cap down to $10.5 million.

Then the Rangers bring back Staal for the $3.5 million and Girardi for the $2.5 million you listed. That brinngs the Rangers available down to $4.5 million.

Then the Rangers add a back-up goalie, let's say Hedberg, for around $1 million. That brings the Rangers available cap down to $3.5 million. The Rangers would have 11 forwards, 7 D and 2 goalies under contract then.

This is not the best scenario for the Rangers, because it would be just about the same exact team that they iced this season, and we all know how that worked out. I wouldn't want this to happen lol. If the Rangers brought all those guys back and then waived Redden, they would have $10 million in cap space to work with, and have to sign 2 more players (1 forward and 1 D-man).
is that fact?

mullichicken25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:52 PM
  #162
nyr2k2
Can't Beat Him
 
nyr2k2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Washington, DC
Country: United States
Posts: 24,705
vCash: 50
Awards:
Quote:
Originally Posted by mullichicken25 View Post
is that fact?
It's not a fact, yet. There were reports a week or two ago that said the cap would be moving up to that number, but nothing in stone yet.

nyr2k2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 02:57 PM
  #163
1Knee1T
OHH MAMMA DONT U CRY
 
1Knee1T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 3,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fitzy Duke of NY View Post
Thought it needed to be an entry level contract.
I don't think so, isn't Gilroy above entry level?

1Knee1T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:00 PM
  #164
BwayBshirt
Registered User
 
BwayBshirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: My NY State of Mind
Country: United States
Posts: 3,406
vCash: 500
It's funny that Redden says he knows he has to be better next year...

...because he said the same thing last year when Torts specifically told everybody on the team at that time "Be prepared for camp from day 1".

He's been a declining player ever since the lockout.

Redden is done, period. There is no saving him. And he will be gone.

BwayBshirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:00 PM
  #165
Loffen
Hadouken!
 
Loffen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Soft euro
Posts: 18,821
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
UAGG, don't forget Brashear. Unless he's traded, he'll count against the cap.
Oh, the rage. THE RAGE.

I hated the signing from Day 1, even though I was willing to give Brash a chance to prove himself. What a waste of money... ****


Last edited by Loffen: 04-14-2010 at 05:57 PM.
Loffen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:02 PM
  #166
Panfork
Pacioretty Hater
 
Panfork's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 2,377
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by haohmaru View Post
Avery was our highest scoring LW...

I don't know about Auld - maybe they're just trying to get a feel for who is out there and how much they will cost. Biron, Moose, Auld, etc.... whoever is cheapest FTW.
I support this.

Avery should not be going anywhere... And as for Brashear, something SOMETHING needs to be done. Why in the **** did he get signed to a 2-YEAR CONTRACT let alone at all?

Panfork is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:03 PM
  #167
Richter35
Registered User
 
Richter35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,385
vCash: 500
Avery isn't going anywhere, of that I'm fairly certain. Redden (like Brashear) could be "Nylander'd," assigned to a pro league in europe with the Rangers still paying the vast majority of their salary. Both players would have to agree to this but I think in both cases, they would rather play in a pro-league in Sweden that in hartford. Torts comments were very telling about what he thought about Wade. Even if wade was performing at Dan Girardi's level (which he's not even close to), he would never be worth what he's making. Obviously thats sather's fault, but this is one mistake he can't send to montreal. bye bye wade

Richter35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:13 PM
  #168
Fletch
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 21,473
vCash: 500
nyr2k2..

Avery did show a lot after his benching, however, do you need to sit through some games in which he goes through the motions, gets benched, has a few good games, then back to brutal, then sit again? I think a coach does need to work, but at the same time concentrating on one guy for as much as a coach may have to with Avery at times seems a bit much. His inconsistencies are his biggest issue. He has talent. He can play hard. He can be a guy who scores 15 goals at even strength while playing third line minutes, who agitates, hits, etc. The only problem is you don't get that guy in enough games.

Fletch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:26 PM
  #169
UAGoalieGuy
Registered User
 
UAGoalieGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Long Island,New York
Country: United States
Posts: 9,260
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyr2k2 View Post
UAGG, don't forget Brashear. Unless he's traded, he'll count against the cap.
In my little dream scenario, Brashear is put on the LTIR because he's not inshape, a la Mogilny lol.

And as for the cap going up to $57.7, it was based on the projected revenues from the teams that were going into the playoffs at the time (I think at least). That and the very strong Canadian dollar. It's a pretty good bet that that will be the cap number for next season.

UAGoalieGuy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:40 PM
  #170
Inferno
HFB Partner
 
Inferno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Atlanta, GA
Country: United States
Posts: 21,114
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Melrose_Jr. View Post
I really don't like this strategy. Torts has essentially put the team in a position where they MUST make a dramatic move with Redden now. I'm not sure that continuing to poison the well in Hartford with NYR malcontents is really a best case scenario for anyone either.

Does this guy ever trying building a bridge, or just default to burning them down with flamethrowers when he meets someone he doesn't happen to agree with?
so now were blaming torts for Reddens poor play?

Inferno is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 03:49 PM
  #171
Trxjw
Retired.
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Land of no calls..
Country: United States
Posts: 17,472
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TullyNYR View Post
I don't think so, isn't Gilroy above entry level?
Players that are under the age of 24 are subject to ELC mandates. MZA is under 24.

Trxjw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 04:01 PM
  #172
Melrose_Jr.
Registered User
 
Melrose_Jr.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Providence, RI
Country: United States
Posts: 10,692
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inferno272 View Post
so now were blaming torts for Reddens poor play?
Man, heaven help anyone who doesn't have something negative to say about Redden, right? I'm sorry I even bothered to present anything by the party line on the most hated player since Kamensky.

I'm not sure why it's a stretch to say that Redden, clearly, doesn't fit into this team or coaching strategy, yet might find more success elsewhere. Do you think that's an off-the-wall suggestion Inferno? Have you never seen an example of player who struggled in one situation, but responded to a change in environment?

Melrose_Jr. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 04:12 PM
  #173
HockeyBurd*
 
HockeyBurd*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,579
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
then back to brutal
Describe brutal.

HockeyBurd* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 04:21 PM
  #174
1Knee1T
OHH MAMMA DONT U CRY
 
1Knee1T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Country: United States
Posts: 3,198
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trxjw View Post
Players that are under the age of 24 are subject to ELC mandates. MZA is under 24.
Good looks, thanks. I didn't realize he was so young.
Posted via Mobile Device

1Knee1T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-14-2010, 04:28 PM
  #175
The Thomas J.*
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Staten Island, NY
Posts: 18,847
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Melrose_Jr. View Post
Under Renney, Redden was a competent 2nd pairing guy, and I think ALL of us would happily take that now.

Both of you guys are right that there were times where it looked like Torts was going to get the best out of Redden. By the same token, there was a time when Kotalik was red hot from the point on the PP.

SOMETHING happened to these player/coach relationships along the way that changed all that. Any insight?

Really!? Reddens lack luster horrible play was part of the reason Renney was fired. I just don't see all the positives that you see. I've actually eased up on Redden too, but he has got to go.

The Thomas J.* is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:01 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.