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View Poll Results: Who would you pick 3rd overall?
Brett Connolly 11 12.64%
Eric Gudbransson 46 52.87%
Cam 30 34.48%
other 0 0%
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04-15-2010, 01:18 PM
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I think management has their eye on Fowler. I'm not convinced, but I have to admit that Lowe can spot a good defensemen. I'm not sure we need him that bad IF a guy like Petry or Plante turns out though. Would probably be nice, but at the price of Penner?

This is coming from a guy that knew Penner would bounce back under a new coach. With better linemates Penner could put up 40 goals.
I'm not so sure. During the luncheon I went to it sounded like they were interested in Gudbranson as well when asked about him.

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04-15-2010, 01:19 PM
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If I were the Panthers I'd keep this pick. They are not one or two players away from competing so they really do have to rebuild.

If I were them though and I wanted to trade with the Oilers I'd ask for this:

To Edmonton

3rd Overall

To Florida

2011 First

2010 2nd(31st)

Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano

I think Something like that would be fair.

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04-15-2010, 01:21 PM
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I'd be inclined to do this deal.

Would love to add a stud young d-man to the defensive corps. I'd like a Gundbransson type if he turns out to be the way he is projected.

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04-15-2010, 01:22 PM
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I would be very open to the idea of trading Penner right now. As of right now his value will never get higher. Rewind to 1 year ago and we would have been lucky to get a 4th round draft pick for him. A 30 goal scorer at 4.25 mill is very appealing to a team that is hoping to win in the next couple years. I dont see Penner resigning with us when his contract is up, so if the right trade is there this summer then do it if it truely helps with the rebuild

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04-15-2010, 01:28 PM
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If I were the Panthers I'd keep this pick. They are not one or two players away from competing so they really do have to rebuild.

If I were them though and I wanted to trade with the Oilers I'd ask for this:

To Edmonton

3rd Overall

To Florida

2011 First

2010 2nd(31st)

Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano

I think Something like that would be fair.
Edmonton laughs and hangs up the phone.

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04-15-2010, 01:30 PM
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I'm definitely game for this deal, but I doubt Florida is looking for a guy like Penner right now, as they are in as bad, if not worse, a shape as Edmonton.

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Edmonton laughs and hangs up the phone.
Well its not going to be Penner.

Also my 1st from next year is based on the projections that it will be a weak draft and that the Oilers won't finish last in order get Larsson.

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04-15-2010, 01:34 PM
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Anyone who wants to trade Penner for a top 3 pick because of salary reasons isnt thinking about the cost that it will take to sign Fowler/Gudbrandson.

Hedman signed for 3.5M, I could see them getting a similar contract.

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04-15-2010, 01:47 PM
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A pick in the 3 to 6 range does not net a 1st line player on a decent contract. Has it ever happened? If Connelly turns into a Penner-like player then you've gained nothing for taking on all the risk.

I'd like to see the Oilers get a Connelly or Gudbranson. But the deal would have to be a team using the pick as an upgrade in a player swap.

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Penner for Voracek + 4th (a Penner-Nash combo would be hell in the corners)

Hemsky for Okposo + 5th (Hemsky passing to Tavares could win him a Rocket Trophy)

I have no idea if those trades are realistic... was just trying to show the premise.

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04-15-2010, 01:49 PM
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If I were the Panthers I'd keep this pick. They are not one or two players away from competing so they really do have to rebuild.

If I were them though and I wanted to trade with the Oilers I'd ask for this:

To Edmonton

3rd Overall

To Florida

2011 First

2010 2nd(31st)

Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano

I think Something like that would be fair.
That's ridiculous. We know the Oilers will not be world-beaters next year, and so does Florida. There is a possibility that the Oilers finish with a lottery pick. Why would they trade that pick plus 2 valuable assets for potentially, a similar pick this year?

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04-15-2010, 01:53 PM
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That's a helluva lot of salary for FLA to absorb. I'm pretty sure they're on a budget. You'd have to take a bad contract back. And I can't see them trading their second rounder too.
I'd be ok with something like Olesz+3d overall for Souray and Cogliano

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04-15-2010, 01:57 PM
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if Edmonton got the 3rd pick who would you draft?
Connolly hands down, he excites me like Nazim Kadri, booming shot so he could play point on the PP, big hitter.

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Any deal with FLA should include the disgruntled Nathan Horton.

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That's ridiculous. We know the Oilers will not be world-beaters next year, and so does Florida. There is a possibility that the Oilers finish with a lottery pick. Why would they trade that pick plus 2 valuable assets for potentially, a similar pick this year?
Well this year's top 5 is projected to be better than next years. Anyway its probably an overpayment but that's probably what I would be looking for if I were in the top. Basically I don't think anyone will trade. Especially not for Penner. It will not happen at all. Trading Hemsky or Gagner would just be stupid so lets not go there either.

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04-15-2010, 02:04 PM
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Too risky, guys like Barker and Turris went 3rd overall. So did Toews, but I wouldn't trade an established player for that chance. Penner's size and 30+ goals makes him invaluable to the Oil.

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04-16-2010, 12:01 PM
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Ya florida is stupid, I would try to hose them for less than that, but who knows!

Give em Nash, 31st and a goalie. lol
I'm getting so tired of proposals with Omark/Nash in. Come on guys! Give this kids a chance to wear the Oilers jersey before ju plug them. Omark is a shortie I know. But have you seen the strength he has in his legs. I'm ready to compare him to Sid in this apartment. And Nash; for god sake he was a 1st round pick 3 years ago, and he is still improving have more than ppg in the NCAA, give him a chance to.

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04-16-2010, 12:09 PM
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Too risky, guys like Barker and Turris went 3rd overall. So did Toews, but I wouldn't trade an established player for that chance. Penner's size and 30+ goals makes him invaluable to the Oil.
But on the other side you have to look at yes its invaluable, but how valuable is it during rebuilding years? I dont see him resigning in 2 years, and as of right now I dont think his value will get higher. Just food for thought.

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I'm getting so tired of proposals with Omark/Nash in. Come on guys! Give this kids a chance to wear the Oilers jersey before ju plug them. Omark is a shortie I know. But have you seen the strength he has in his legs. I'm ready to compare him to Sid in this apartment. And Nash; for god sake he was a 1st round pick 3 years ago, and he is still improving have more than ppg in the NCAA, give him a chance to.

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Nash is in proposals because many feel he will not sign with Edmonton. So to get something rather than letting him walk makes sense.

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04-16-2010, 01:16 PM
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I like the idea of trading Penner way more than these people who want to move Hemsky. I could see Florida showing some interest. A top line of Penner-Weiss-Horton would be quite impressive. Penner is more expendable with Hall and MPS in the picture. IMO, we take Fowler @ #3. Good skater, good vision and has a similar skillset to Doughty with a little less physicality and less of a shot from the point. That physicality can be made up for at pick #31 with McIlrath (hopefully).

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Nash is in proposals because many feel he will not sign with Edmonton. So to get something rather than letting him walk makes sense.
Ok, I didn't knew that. Sorry to hear. When does his right expire?Next year, maybe?Any ideas why he wouldn't sign with us?

Very frustrating, I have him as the first line center in Stockton in EHM 2007, only 16 years old. Put up decent numbers with Kevin Baker and Ryan Kinasewich (55 G; 34 G 45 A = 79 P).


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If I were the Panthers I'd keep this pick. They are not one or two players away from competing so they really do have to rebuild.

If I were them though and I wanted to trade with the Oilers I'd ask for this:

To Edmonton

3rd Overall

To Florida

2011 First

2010 2nd(31st)

Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano

I think Something like that would be fair.
When a team is in the rebuild mode you don't trade away a 1st round next year that can also be a top pick. I like the idea of Penner plus Nash for the 3rd over all. I know a lot of Fld fans would say no but I think management might do something like that. We can even take a salary dump back. I would like to see Edm get Connelly. I think that he will be a legit top 6 winger.

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If I were the Panthers I'd keep this pick. They are not one or two players away from competing so they really do have to rebuild.

If I were them though and I wanted to trade with the Oilers I'd ask for this:

To Edmonton

3rd Overall

To Florida

2011 First

2010 2nd(31st)

Jeff Petry or Andrew Cogliano

I think Something like that would be fair.
Is it a typo or did i see you put Petry in that deal? I would trade for the 3rd overall to add to Petry in the system, not to replace him.

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04-16-2010, 01:42 PM
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I prefer Penner to Fowler for sure. Gudbrandson looks good to me but is he a sure thing?

If he's a sure thing then I'd consider it.

Hall - Horcoff - Hemsky
Eberle - Gagner - Brule

Thats a weak top 6 next year but very good in a year or twos time.

That second line is way to small, we need to deal some of the midgets for a center with size and skill. Marleau or Pavelski out of San Jose would be who I'm targeting.

Penner-Gagner-Hemsky
Hall-Marleau-Eberle

In a few years if Everyone Turns out

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
MPS-Marleau-Eberle

Another option would be to turn Penner into a center and sign Jagr for the a year or two.

Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-Gagner-Jagr

Future

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
MPS-Penner-Eberle

Either way we need to address out issues at center.

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04-16-2010, 01:50 PM
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That second line is way to small, we need to deal some of the midgets for a center with size and skill. Marleau or Pavelski out of San Jose would be who I'm targeting.

Penner-Gagner-Hemsky
Hall-Marleau-Eberle

In a few years if Everyone Turns out

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
MPS-Marleau-Eberle

Another option would be to turn Penner into a center and sign Jagr for the a year or two.

Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Hall-Gagner-Jagr

Future

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
MPS-Penner-Eberle

Either way we need to address out issues at center.

Marleau is no longer a spring chicken. It makes no sense to trade for him imo.

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Marleau is no longer a spring chicken. It makes no sense to trade for him imo.
You can't dress a line up full of rookies and expect them to win anything. All the teams that have built through the draft (Chicago, Washington, Pittsburgh) all had some veterans to show the young guys what it takes to win in the NHL. I feel a whole lot better going into next season knowing our top 3 centers are Marleau or Pavelski , Gagner, Horcoff compared to Gagner, Horcoff, Brule or Pouliot. Marleau is a UFA this season so there would be no trading involved, Pavelski is a RFA so he would need to be traded for.

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