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05-07-2004, 09:53 AM
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Leafs don't plan to resort to youth movement - GM

Ferguson expects to be big player on free agent market

"Pat will be back"
"If there are players, whatever age, who can help us, we'll certainly consider them"

The leafs will be serious this summer when more unrestricted free agents are available than any time in NHL history.
The leafs have dealt thre prospects in the past two years, their first round pick last year and their first and second round picks this year.

"I expect Pat Quinn to fulfull the final year of his deal with the team, and hopefully beyond"

The same old story - toronto star

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05-07-2004, 10:01 AM
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Ferguson expects to be big player on free agent market

"Pat will be back"
"If there are players, whatever age, who can help us, we'll certainly consider them"

The leafs will be serious this summer when more unrestricted free agents are available than any time in NHL history.
The leafs have dealt thre prospects in the past two years, their first round pick last year and their first and second round picks this year.

"I expect Pat Quinn to fulfull the final year of his deal with the team, and hopefully beyond"

The same old story - toronto star
Excellent.

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notable unrestricted free agents (non leafs)

c
madden
lindros
primeau
ricci
nylander
stumpel
conroy
nedved
zhamnov
draper
g.johnson
m.sillinger

lw
shanahan
kariya
knuble
konowalchuk
barnaby
mcammond
czrekawski
arvedsson
a.johansson
brylin

rw
g.murray
kovalev
palffy
b.hull
bondra
mellanby
drake

d
chelios
boughner
schneider
numminen
j.york
weinrich
zhitnik
matvichuk
klemm
cullimore
therien
sekeras
odelien
poapst
mcgillis
s.odonnell
slegr

g
salo
osgood
schwab
potvin


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Alright, if that's how they want to do it, then they better spend the dough.

Schneider and Zhitnik on defence would be a nice start.

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get some quick forwards at least
and a few nasty Ds

madden
nyander
draper
knuble
g.murray

s.odonnell
mcgillis

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I want to trade for satan and peca

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gotta admit

that's quite a list

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gotta admit

that's quite a list
And that's not including the many players unlikely to be qualified.

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a lot could get re-signed before the end of june of course

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leaf ufa's are :

belfour *
berehowsky
fitzgerald
francis
kidd
klee
marchment
nieuwendyk
reichel
roberts
renberg
c.johansson

if they dont bring back:

berehowsky
fitzgerald
francis
kidd
marchment
reichel
renberg
c.johansson

then that's 11 million saved

they'll need 4-5 million to add to the player's they re-sign because of giving them a raise (mccabe nieuwendyk klee etc)

so there could be upwards to 7 million to spend on free agents outside the organization.

7 million to spend
to get one key forward and one key defenseman i would think:
for example -
primeau 4.5 million
matvichuk 2.5 million

hell give them 5 and 3 million respectively
what's an extra mil.

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Hey if the Devs dont qualify Nidermayer and the Blues dont qualify Pronger, the summer could get alot more interesting

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Ive said it time and time again....as long as Felix Potvin is our backup goalie...its the only FA signing that will make me HAPPY

Other notables id like for our team

Karyia...One of my fav NHL players anyways
Chelios...would be PRO for our rebuilding defence core
Glen Murray


For some reason...mostly players i want are vets....hmmmmm strange LOL

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Chelios
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As a Leafs fan, it's going to be very exciting.

Very.

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Agreed, not to mention he hates Toronto. He apparantly actually called Eddie to tell him not to sign here.

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As a Leafs fan, it's going to be very exciting.

Very.
True.

If JFJ plays his cards right, he could make this team a lot better.

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Ive said it time and time again....as long as Felix Potvin is our backup goalie...its the only FA signing that will make me HAPPY

Other notables id like for our team

Chelios...would be PRO for our rebuilding defence core
Glen Murray


For some reason...mostly players i want are vets....hmmmmm strange LOL

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Chris Chelios is 5 years older then Brian Leetch.

That's old.

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gotta admit

that's quite a list
Yes it is, but it does not make us any younger. This core is not winning anything but people still just want to add, add, and add more veterans. This is going to be one awful franchise in a couple years. What do you call a team with few top prospects who throws money at its holes? The New York Rangers. That's where we're headed if things dont change . People need to start thinking long term and with their brains and not with their hearts anymore cause its just not going to happen no matter what you add, I thought Glen Sather has taught us that in NY. We need to stop concentrating on the UFA list and start looking more at the draft list for a few years.

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Yes it is, but it does not make us any younger. This core is not winning anything but people still just want to add, add, and add more veterans. This is going to be one awful franchise in a couple years. What do you call a team with few top prospects who throws money at its holes? The New York Rangers. That's where we're headed if things dont change . People need to start thinking long term and with their brains and not with their hearts anymore cause its just not going to happen no matter what you add, I thought Glen Sather has taught us that in NY. We need to stop concentrating on the UFA list and start looking more at the draft list for a few years.
Considering we have few picks this draft... a pretty average system... there's a good portion of our regulars not coming back.... and our two superstars aren't getting any young, I think it's a very good way to build a team.

The fact is that you cannot rebuild in Toronto, especially when your starting goaltender is 39 years old and your other franchise player isn't getting any younger.

This is not the New York Rangers... they went out and bought a team of underachievers. There are a lot of players on that list that are not slugs...

Nylander (32)
Kariya (30)
Konowalchuk (32)
Matvichuk (31)
O'Donnel (33)

... and they're still relatively young considering some of the players we may be getting rid of or losing this summer...

Reichel (33)
Renberg (32)
Francis (40+)
Johansson (37)
Fitzgerald (36)
Marchment (35)
Nieuwendyk (38)
Mogilny (35)

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Leafs should sign one scorer (two depending on if Roberts, Mogilny or Joe don't come back) and then focus on getting two way talent with some grit. At this moment we have no youth to make a movement with and we don't even have any draft picks this year. I say they take one more kick at the can the next 2 seasons and if possible try to work a few younger guys in on the 3rd or 4th lines.

The Leafs can not afford to go out and sign about 4 stars. 1. money. 2. a dressing room gets pretty toxic when you have too many stars.

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The fact is that you cannot rebuild in Toronto
Then the fact is, we'll never win another Stanley Cup.

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Then the fact is, we'll never win another Stanley Cup.
I'd much rather take cracks at contending with an older squad for the next 2 or 3 years then start rebuilding and have Ed Belfour and Mats Sundin retire without Stanley Cups in Toronto.

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Yes it is, but it does not make us any younger. This core is not winning anything but people still just want to add, add, and add more veterans. This is going to be one awful franchise in a couple years. What do you call a team with few top prospects who throws money at its holes? The New York Rangers. That's where we're headed if things dont change . People need to start thinking long term and with their brains and not with their hearts anymore cause its just not going to happen no matter what you add, I thought Glen Sather has taught us that in NY. We need to stop concentrating on the UFA list and start looking more at the draft list for a few years.
i agree
im tired of this
while it looks enticing to sign all these guys, they'll likely be 3 or 4yr deals and in the 3rd yr they wont be as good/healthy

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I'd much rather take cracks at contending with an older squad for the next 2 or 3 years then start rebuilding and have Ed Belfour and Mats Sundin retire without Stanley Cups in Toronto.
Do you realize how old Belfour is? I know he played great vs Ottawa but he fell apart vs Philly late in the series for the second year in a row. Ed Belfour is not winning a Stanley Cup in Toronto. You can dream about it all you want but that's all it will ever be is a dream. Especially with a group as old and injury prone as this one. We had 6 good shots in the last 6 years, and blew it. Time to start over.

You can take as many cracks as you want, it's not happening with this core. And the later everyone realizes that the worse off we're gonna be in the future when we're still without a Cup and still have little to no future to look forward too.

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