IF this is true, then Hudler has screwed us again. IMO things were setting up pretty nicely without huds in the picture leading up to this offseason. Now if he comes back, that throws a big ol' wrench in the works. IMO trade him and get ANYTHING. As has been said above, he wasn't able to crack the top six with any regularity and produce there before, why should we expect it now after only a year. I'd rather keep the status quo than risk bringing Hudler back right now. I'd rather pay ANY team over there to sign him for another year than to have him come back this year. Botom line, if Hudler comes back next season I'll be sick.
Holland is NOT trading Hudler. When you have Ken thinking he needs to fly to Russia to woo Huds back, and Babs is making trips and calls overseas........ he's staying with the Wings.
Glad to have him back. Filppula AND Cleary will be happy too.
Hudler would get chewed up and spit out by the Coyotes team we're playing. Wings need a scoring winger with a little size and grit instead of a small midget who can't skate worth the damn.
Hudler would get chewed up and spit out by the Coyotes team we're playing. Wings need a scoring winger with a little size and grit instead of a small midget who can't skate worth the damn.
He did well during the last two campaigns (14 and 12 pts respectively on third line minutes, 13 min/gm in 09, 11 m/gm in 08). Who was the Duck that made that nasty open ice hit (blind side, iirc) last playoffs?
He did well during the last two campaigns (14 and 12 pts respectively on third line minutes). Who was the Duck that made that nasty open ice hit (blind side, iirc) last playoffs?
If I remember correctly, Hudler didn't do much in the Ducks series other than get splattered.
It does matter. You're paying guys for what you expect them to do, based on what they've done in the past.
How do you ignore age in that equation when talking about a 40-year-old.
You don't ignore the equation. Let me clarify. Obviously because he's 40, they're not going to sign Lids to a 6-year contract. And you'd expect some dropoff in play based on his age.
But even with that drop off in performance, he's still among the league's best defenseman and would likely be compensated as such.
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Sure is.
But I'd like to think he's willing to sacrifice for the team and not just a me-first greed head.
Like I said, if there's a player who has made more than Nik Lidstrom in his career, I can't name him, of the top of my head.
According to this wiki page (don't know the exact accuracy but seems mostly right), you could name Jagr, Sakic, Sundin, Tkachuk, Rob friggin Blake before Lidstrom.
Lidstrom has been more than adequately paid.
Right now, he's the third highest defenseman in the game. There was a time when he was the highest paid player in the game ($10M a year). Even early in his career, he was making a premium because he threatened to raise his kids in Sweden.
If only Nick were as aggressive in front of the net as he is at the barganing table.
Like I said, easy for you to say when it's not your millions.
So he's the third highest paid defenseman. His play is pretty much top three in the league. And when he was the highest paid, he was also the best defenseman in the game, year after year.
The Red Wings are not a charity. They are an entertainment business. Lidstrom has given a hometown discount since the salary cap. He has made a ton of money for this franchise and is one of the best defenseman to ever play the game, for him to be compensated near his market value is hardly greedy.
Too bad he's not Russian, eh? Then you could really let him have it.
If I remember correctly, Hudler didn't do much in the Ducks series other than get splattered.
Maybe he was still concussed?
Point is, given his ice time, his production was identical to Filppula's-- a guy who is considered a "playoff performer" in these parts. Fil had 4-5 more min/gm than Hudler. Hudler had 5 and 4 G respectively last two playoffs and the same pts as Fil.
People like to fret and scream that "Hudler didn't produce in the top 6!!!!!1" but then completely forget that he did in fact produce in the roles he was given.
And if we "lose" Bertuzzi along with Willy, so what? Hudler produces as much offense as those two combined.
Good news about Hudler. I'd be happy to see him back. Hopefully this spells the end of Bertuzzi in Detroit
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Ritola is the most overrated prospect in a long, long time. This guy has accomplished virtually nothing and lacks any real NHL-level skills, other than skating.
Ritola is a solid prospect. A good two-way player who could be a quality 3rd-liner. Not sure who has been singing his song loudly enough to make him overrated, let alone "the most overrated prospect in a long, long time."
I don't know why Maltby and Drapes are getting no respect around here but I guess I'm alone. I don't think I saw anyone liking Draper and Maltby recently
You don't ignore the equation. Let me clarify. Obviously because he's 40, they're not going to sign Lids to a 6-year contract. And you'd expect some dropoff in play based on his age.
But even with that drop off in performance, he's still among the league's best defenseman and would likely be compensated as such.
According to this wiki page (don't know the exact accuracy but seems mostly right), you could name Jagr, Sakic, Sundin, Tkachuk, Rob friggin Blake before Lidstrom.
Like I said, easy for you to say when it's not your millions.
So he's the third highest paid defenseman. His play is pretty much top three in the league. And when he was the highest paid, he was also the best defenseman in the game, year after year.
The Red Wings are not a charity. They are an entertainment business. Lidstrom has given a hometown discount since the salary cap. He has made a ton of money for this franchise and is one of the best defenseman to ever play the game, for him to be compensated near his market value is hardly greedy.
Too bad he's not Russian, eh? Then you could really let him have it.
LOL.
Lidstrom has never given this team a discount.
And that list ... if you add the last two years, Lidstrom jumps to $88M.
He would have past Blake/Tkachuk/Sundin and finished third.
At the age of 40, if he was any desire to win, he should take a pay cut.
LOL. Lidstrom has never given this team a discount.
And that list ... if you add the last two years, Lidstrom jumps to $88M.
He would have past Blake/Tkachuk/Sundin and finished third.
At the age of 40, if he was any desire to win, he should take a pay cut.
Early in his career, he played the "I'll return to Sweden for my kids' education" card to get his premium.
Then he got his $10M contract to make him the highest paid player in the NHL, IIRC.
THen the cap knocked that down to $7.6M, which was the highest permissible salary.
Even today, at 39, he's the 16th highest paid player in the NHL and the third highest paid defenseman.
He's never taken a "discount."
Sure, he didn't test the market and get the rangers to overpay him. But there's never been a discount with L;idstrom.
Early in his career, he played the "I'll return to Sweden for my kids' education" card to get his premium.
Then he got his $10M contract to make him the highest paid player in the NHL, IIRC.
THen the cap knocked that down to $7.6M, which was the highest permissible salary.
Even today, at 39, he's the 16th highest paid player in the NHL and the third highest paid defenseman.
He's never taken a "discount."
Sure, he didn't test the market and get the rangers to overpay him. But there's never been a discount with L;idstrom.
You saying it doesn't make it true.
You can make claims about teams like the Rangers overpaying him, but you either don't understand how contracts work in the NHL or refuse to accept the reality of them.
Lidstrom easily could've have gotten more money when he re-signed. That's not overpayment, that's market value. He took below what he could've gotten on the open market and stayed with the Wings. That's a discount.
Expecting him to give up millions of dollars "for the good of the team" is unrealistic. It's be like Lids complaining for making under $2 million all the way to 1999 in spite of being one of the best d-men in the game and a huge reason why the Wings won cups. It all has to do with the timing of contracts, now the cap, perceived market value, and value to your current team.
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People like to fret and scream that "Hudler didn't produce in the top 6!!!!!1" but then completely forget that he did in fact produce in the roles he was given.
And if we "lose" Bertuzzi along with Willy, so what? Hudler produces as much offense as those two combined.
Is that a sign of bigger things going on in the KHL? Seems a team folding altogether is a symptom of a larger problem.
European clubs fold rather often, many teams have sketch owners who make a quick buck and buy teams. It could literally happen to anyone, so I don't think the KHL is in trouble, but without a cap a few teams could very well start releasing players.
He did well during the last two campaigns (14 and 12 pts respectively on third line minutes, 13 min/gm in 09, 11 m/gm in 08). Who was the Duck that made that nasty open ice hit (blind side, iirc) last playoffs?
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