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05-07-2004, 01:30 AM
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Players you wouldn't mind moving on Draft day...

Who are the players on your team that you wouldn't mind moving on draft day?

Be realistic... and give a little example of what you'd expect in return.

Keep in mind that AHL'ers are rarely traded for picks on draft day, so don't propose Ron Hainsey in this thread. Hopefully you'll just keep it to NHL roster players.

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05-07-2004, 01:35 AM
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Filip Kuba

Why?
All-Star is now on his résumé even though Willie Mitchell should've got the nod. Could be a solid top 4 defenseman with good offensive abilities and average defensive abilities.

For?
Possibly very low 1st Round to high-to-mid 2nd round pick or in a package deal.

Manny Fernandez

Why?
Goalie jam and Fernandez is the odd one looking in. Has a contract renewel coming up. Plays well and his value is pretty high.

For?
Mid to late 2nd Rounder...maybe a package deal.

Richard Park

Why?
Wild got a ton of these guys either in the waiting or on the team. Park could end up being a good PKer on another team like Dowd that can't chip in offensively.

For?
Anything!

Annti Laaksonen

Why?
Again like Park we got a ton of these speedy checkers and could shed a few. Plays day in and day out and is fast.

For?
Again ANYTHING

Pascal Dupuis

Why?
Tiny contract makes him very easy to unload and the potential to be a 20-30 or a 30-30 player on another team. Good two-way forward.

For?
Late 1st, early-to-mid 2nd round (contract bumps up his value)

Patrick O'Sullivan

Why?
Glut of centers and Riser has been really mute on O'Sullivan, which isn't very good for O'Sullivan because he could end up going back to the CHL and then to the AHL until he's 25...But could potentially make the team.

For?
Mid 1st, package of picks


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Toronto...

Nikolai Antropov

For what?
High draft pick, ideally the 1st round, #15-25.

Why is it realistic?
Antropov is still young and has been a .5 point-per-game player over the last couple years. A lot of talent there, very little ice time in Toronto and he needs a coach to discipline him, someone like a Mike Keenan or Jacque Lemaire.

Tomas Kaberle

For what?
Hgih draft pick, ideally top 15... realistically after #5 considering it's an average draft.

Why is it realistic?
Look at his statistics and age. If there's a team looking for an offensive defenseman that can move the puck, he's a great fit. He's a good #2 or terrific #3 defenseman on most teams. With Leetch and McCabe playing 25:00 to 30:00 a game, Kaberle becomes expandable.

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Antropov won't come to Minnesota. There is no way in hell Wild will give up the 12th Round draft pick for Antropov.

 
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Antropov won't come to Minnesota. There is no way in hell Wild will give up the 12th Round draft pick for Antropov.
Who said anything about Minnesota?

I also mentioned Keenan, but he doesn't even have a job... so I obviously wasn't referring to the team... but someone with a similar attitude and approach to younger players.

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Righteo but you use Jacques Lemaire. We won't give up draft picks for players...only players for draft picks or draft picks for draft picks.

 
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Anyone not named Tyutin, Balej, Lundqvist, Blackburn, Jessiman, or Prucha.

Toronto's First Round Pick, one or two second rounders.

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Oilers

Isbister
Why: too many left wingers.
Return: low 2nd, or high 3rd.

Laraque
Why: fairly high value, but not consistent enough.
Return: used in a package to move up in the first round.

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If anyone has a spare 9th rounder for the 2034 draft, I would welcome a swap for Jeff Friesen.

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Oilers

Isbister
Why: too many left wingers.
Return: low 2nd, or high 3rd.

Laraque
Why: fairly high value, but not consistent enough.
Return: used in a package to move up in the first round.
The Senators need left wingers...what would the Oilers realistically want for Isbister?

For the Sens, I would suspect most fans would want Bonk and Lalime moved for picks/prospects if that's feasible.

Personally I would expect the Sens to make a significant trade at the draft for either a first line centre or a goaltender. I suspect we will start to hear Martin Havlat rumours in the coming month.

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Carter, Straka and Miller.
2nd round Picks, trade down in the first round.

P.S.: I would like to see Friesen in LA. a 5th round pick would be fair?

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If anyone has a spare 9th rounder for the 2034 draft, I would welcome a swap for Jeff Friesen.
I would like to see Friesen on the Flames I think he could be a good fit for one of there top two lines. What is his contract status

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[QUOTE=Leafaholix][FONT=Arial]Toronto...

Nikolai Antropov

For what?
High draft pick, ideally the 1st round, #15-25.

Why is it realistic?
Antropov is still young and has been a .5 point-per-game player over the last couple years. A lot of talent there, very little ice time in Toronto and he needs a coach to discipline him, someone like a Mike Keenan or Jacque Lemaire.

Not to be too picky but representing Antropov as a player that receives "very little ice time" is a bit misleading.

He ranks 10th on the team for average ice time. The top four defensemen get more ice time which leaves Antropov 6th among forwards in ice time, placing him among the top two lines. I would not necessarily categorize that as "very little ice time."

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[QUOTE=Leafaholix][FONT=Arial]Toronto...

Nikolai Antropov

For what?
High draft pick, ideally the 1st round, #15-25.

Why is it realistic?
Antropov is still young and has been a .5 point-per-game player over the last couple years. A lot of talent there, very little ice time in Toronto and he needs a coach to discipline him, someone like a Mike Keenan or Jacque Lemaire.

.5 points per game is worth a first rounder. that's damn funny.

Very little ice time? He averaged 15.17 minutes a game almost as much as Nieuwendyk (15.38) while playing 2 games less. How much more ice time does he need? A five year vet that went 10th overall should be producing much more than he is at this stage of his career. In fact, he put up similar numbers his rookie year. (2003-2004 31 points in 62 games; 1999-2000 30 points in 66 games).

Take Jerome Iginla for example, drafted 11th overall, 71 points his 5th season. Antropov 31 points. Yes Iginla got more ice time than Antropov but he also earned it with his play.

Antropov is a bust and is worth nothing more than a 3rd or 4th round pick. Or if moving bodies for bodies a 3rd line player and a conditional pick.

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Filip Kuba

For?
Possibly very low 1st Round to high-to-mid 2nd round pick or in a package deal.
Wow. I think Ottawa would definitely be interested in Kuba for the 23rd (or is it 24th?) pick.

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Leafaholix doesn't really make that great posts, it's usually very biased and such, on top of Antropov, Kaberle wouldn't garner the 5th overall, Phoenix has no need at all for Kaberle, maybe just maybe he could go for Detroit's 1st or a 2nd to Washington but that's if their defensemen are off the board.

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I think that's asking a little much for Kaberle or Antropov.

What would the 2 get if they were packaged together???

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Leafaholix doesn't really make that great posts, it's usually very biased and such, on top of Antropov, Kaberle wouldn't garner the 5th overall, Phoenix has no need at all for Kaberle, maybe just maybe he could go for Detroit's 1st or a 2nd to Washington but that's if their defensemen are off the board.

Yeah!Phoenix wants d-men who actually know how to play defense...not just another Andy Delmore in Kaberle.

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Oilers

Isbister
Why: too many left wingers.
Return: low 2nd, or high 3rd.

Laraque
Why: fairly high value, but not consistent enough.
Return: used in a package to move up in the first round.

I would give you a 2nd round pick for Isbister to get him to the Rangers.

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I would give you a 2nd round pick for Isbister to get him to the Rangers.
SBOB, who do you think would be on the same line with Isbister?

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[QUOTE=Zhackpot]
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Originally Posted by Leafaholix
[FONT=Arial]Toronto...

Nikolai Antropov

For what?
High draft pick, ideally the 1st round, #15-25.

Why is it realistic?
Antropov is still young and has been a .5 point-per-game player over the last couple years. A lot of talent there, very little ice time in Toronto and he needs a coach to discipline him, someone like a Mike Keenan or Jacque Lemaire.

.5 points per game is worth a first rounder. that's damn funny.

Very little ice time? He averaged 15.17 minutes a game almost as much as Nieuwendyk (15.38) while playing 2 games less. How much more ice time does he need? A five year vet that went 10th overall should be producing much more than he is at this stage of his career. In fact, he put up similar numbers his rookie year. (2003-2004 31 points in 62 games; 1999-2000 30 points in 66 games).

Take Jerome Iginla for example, drafted 11th overall, 71 points his 5th season. Antropov 31 points. Yes Iginla got more ice time than Antropov but he also earned it with his play.

Antropov is a bust and is worth nothing more than a 3rd or 4th round pick. Or if moving bodies for bodies a 3rd line player and a conditional pick.
I wouldn't go so far as to call Antropov a "bust." IMO, he is a fairly talented player with a few notable deficit (skating). The real issue is that he is too injury prone to warrant a first rounder.

I think a team might gamble with a 2nd or third rounder, but probably not a first.

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SBOB, who do you think would be on the same line with Isbister?

It's hard to say as the roster has a ton of question marks. If Lundmark is going to play center than I would play him with Lundmark and Jagr. Either way, the Rangers are going to need a center. If Lindros comes back (not saying he will or won't) I would play him with Lindros.

Regardless, I would give one of the NYR's seconds to get Isbister. At 6'4 220 and still being only 26 he's worth a gamble IMO.

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Calgary Flames:

Toni Lydman - With Phaneuf in all likelihood playing with the Flames next season, if there is a season, Lydman could be overseen to be let good. High draft picks like a lower-first or a high second(s) would probably be wanted in return.

and/or

Denis Gauthier - With Sutter probably not going to risk waiving Commodore or Montador again, and Gauthier's high pension for his role, he could be let go for draft picks; high round picks like second rounders, and preferably to an Eastern team.

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I would give you a 2nd round pick for Isbister to get him to the Rangers.
I'd do that. The Rangers' 2nd is pretty high, and Isbister would definitely get his chance to shine in New York. In Edmonton, it might even make room for Rita, which is good news for everyone.

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