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04-18-2010, 11:59 PM
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Do we change things up for Game 4?

Flip-Hank-Bert is hot, however I noticed that late in the game Babcock decided to go with Franzen-Hank-Bert and it produced immediate results with Franzen netting one.

However now that Flip seems so comfortable alongside Hank, is it worth breaking up a hot line when it could potentially leave you with 2 cool lines?

Datsyuk has been playing great yet only has 2 points through 3 games. Other than that flukey goal in Game 1, Holmstrom has been completely non existant, allowing the Yotes defence to completely put all their effort into shutting Datsyuk down. Flip and Dats played together late in today's game and almost connected on a goal, I think Cleary was the final man on that line.

IF we are going to break up FZB as was the case late tonight, here's what I wouldn't mind seeing:

Filppula - Datsyuk - Cleary (he needs to get going, isn't producing on 3rd line)
Franzen - Zetterberg - Bertuzzi
Eaves - Helm - Miller
Draper - Abdelakder - Holmstrom

Kris Draper, 7:40 TOI tonight, no shots, a bad penalty, let's just chuck him with Holmstrom and have the liability line.

What should be done, if anything? I'm personally fine with leaving FZB together but unfortunately, the top line is giving us nothing and might force our hand. Helm and Cleary have been disappointing for mine.

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04-19-2010, 12:49 AM
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i obviously like datsyuk and zetterberg together, but i think that is very unlikely to happen.


imo, it would be a good idea to put franzen, who has not played well, with zetterberg and filppula, who have played well.

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04-19-2010, 01:39 AM
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If we should change to anything it would be:

Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen

Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Cleary

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04-19-2010, 01:42 AM
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If we should change to anything it would be:

Filppula-Zetterberg-Franzen

Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Cleary
This looks good IMO.

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04-19-2010, 01:45 AM
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Anyone else notice Babcock had Franzen-Helm-Bertuzzi line out there? WTF was that?

Bertuzzi - Datsyuk - Holmstrom
Franzen - Zetterberg - Cleary
Eaves - Filppula - Helm (Miller / Abdelkader)
Draper - Abdelakder/Helm - (Miller / Helm)
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Bert-Dats-Holmer line was great when everyone was injured
Franzen-Z-Cleary was a hot line last season

Moving Flip down to 3rd gives more scoring depth.

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04-19-2010, 01:51 AM
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Yeah, put Ozzie in!

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04-19-2010, 06:00 AM
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Yeah, put Ozzie in!
I won't argue with giving the Wizard of Os a shot.

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Something has to change. We had enough chances last night to put the game beyond Phoenix, but couldn't take them. They took their chances when they had them.

Osgood would get a nod from me if the goaltending looks shaky again


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04-19-2010, 09:03 AM
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Cleary-Z-Franzen
Flip-Dats-Bert/Homer

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04-19-2010, 09:20 AM
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It is time to do something about Helm. He doesn't look like himself. He's -3, has just 1 shot on goal, and isn't buzzing around & wreaking havoc as I'd expect. I think that's why Babcock sent him out with Franzen and Bert a couple of shifts.

Really, the entire bottom six has looked rather poor. Helm, Cleary, Eaves and Miller have yet to show up. Draper is even in +/-, but that's likely because he hardly plays. Draper also took a really untimely penalty in game 3.

I think I'd keep the top two lines as they are and shuffle the bottom like this:

Cleary - Abdelkader - Eaves
May - Helm - Miller

Then I'd shorten the bench. I'd just play 3 lines and plug in substitutes as necessary to keep everyone as fresh as possible. With Doan nursing an injury, I'd like to see May get a chance to play the part of human wrecking ball.

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04-19-2010, 09:39 AM
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Don't change anything. Obviously all that has to happen is for the players to, uh, play better. Yeah, that's it exactly! They just have to, um 'want it more'! Yeah! Woo!


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04-19-2010, 09:44 AM
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It is time to do something about Helm. He doesn't look like himself. He's -3, has just 1 shot on goal, and isn't buzzing around & wreaking havoc as I'd expect. I think that's why Babcock sent him out with Franzen and Bert a couple of shifts.

Really, the entire bottom six has looked rather poor. Helm, Cleary, Eaves and Miller have yet to show up. Draper is even in +/-, but that's likely because he hardly plays. Draper also took a really untimely penalty in game 3.

I think I'd keep the top two lines as they are and shuffle the bottom like this:

Cleary - Abdelkader - Eaves
May - Helm - Miller

Then I'd shorten the bench. I'd just play 3 lines and plug in substitutes as necessary to keep everyone as fresh as possible. With Doan nursing an injury, I'd like to see May get a chance to play the part of human wrecking ball.
The statsheet was very harsh on Eaves last night. He worked as hard as any Wing, he had 3 SOG, SIX hits, and for the first 40 minutes in particular (before the big boys were double shifted), he was buzzing out there.

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Line combo's aren't going to matter if they don't want to play hard and move their feet.

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04-19-2010, 11:02 AM
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The statsheet was very harsh on Eaves last night. He worked as hard as any Wing, he had 3 SOG, SIX hits, and for the first 40 minutes in particular (before the big boys were double shifted), he was buzzing out there.
It may be true that Eaves is getting an unfair rap because his line is dragging him down, but it doesn't change that Phoenix is feasting off our bottom two lines. I mean, we had last change yesterday so it isn't a matter of not getting the matchups we want. It has to be a personnel issue, then.

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04-19-2010, 11:06 AM
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Datsyuk Cleary Holmstrom
Z Flip Franzen
Eaves Helm Miller
May Abby Draper

no i don't have a grudge against bertuzzi.

and no this lineup is not entirely serious. bert can play for may. i guess.

edit even better:

Datsyuk Cleary Holmstrom
Z Flip Franzen
Eaves Hudler Miller
May Abby Helm

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04-19-2010, 11:16 AM
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Don't change anything. Obviously all that has to happen is for the players to, uh, play better. Yeah, that's it exactly! They just have to, um 'want it more'! Yeah! Woo!
I realize this is a carry-over from another thread, but are you suggesting that Phoenix did not complete work over the Wings in game 3?

Phoenix plays desperate every shift, whereas Detroit looks like they barely register a pulse at times (by comparison).

Its just that the effort and will, by comparison, is not on the same level.

Only in Game 2 when Phoenix decided to try and run-n-gun with the Wings did they even look remotely engaged.

Thats 9 periods of play and the Wings played to their potential for a grand total of 1.5.

Its a truly pathetic display by the Wings right now.

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04-19-2010, 12:15 PM
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Franzen - Z - Eaves
Flip - Dats - Cleary
Miller - Helm - Bert
Abby - Drapes - Homer

To shake things up.

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Lebda>Lidstrom He needs to be in on the top line. lol
Make Lids think about what he did wrong.

No seriously though I would try Lebda Lilja again. Not knockin Big Rig but maybe a little more speed is what we need in this series right now.

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Bring the afterburner line back!

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Babcock rarely shakes things up a lot. I was surprised to see Filp-Datyuk-Cleary out there. Every game is a new game, so I believe in his quick fixes when things aren't working well, but he doesn't usually think outside the box. Why not try a Franzen-Z-Datsyuk line... or move Filppula back to line 3... or put someone like Eaves in the top 6.

And what ever happened to Franzen-Z-Cleary? Wasn't that one of our best lines last playoffs?

Franzen-Z-Cleary
Eaves-Datsuk-Bert
Filppula-Helm-Miller
Draper-Abby-Holmstrom

Maybe a bit too much of a shake up, but my point is, Babcock shouldn't be afraid to go wild when the puck isn't going in for us.

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It is time to do something about Helm. He doesn't look like himself. He's -3, has just 1 shot on goal, and isn't buzzing around & wreaking havoc as I'd expect. I think that's why Babcock sent him out with Franzen and Bert a couple of shifts.

Really, the entire bottom six has looked rather poor. Helm, Cleary, Eaves and Miller have yet to show up. Draper is even in +/-, but that's likely because he hardly plays. Draper also took a really untimely penalty in game 3.

I think I'd keep the top two lines as they are and shuffle the bottom like this:

Cleary - Abdelkader - Eaves
May - Helm - Miller

Then I'd shorten the bench. I'd just play 3 lines and plug in substitutes as necessary to keep everyone as fresh as possible. With Doan nursing an injury, I'd like to see May get a chance to play the part of human wrecking ball.
i dont blame draper for that penalty. i would get pissed off too if i got hit and punched in the face too. of course the refs missed that part and just called draper

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04-19-2010, 01:34 PM
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IMO we should re-unite Z and Dats and Franzen/Homer together. Have Flippers center the 2nd line and Helm the 3rd.

I've been thinking letting Samuelson go this season could've been a mistake

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Are Doug Harvey circa 1955 or Bobby Orr circa 1970 available?

(Or Nick Lidstrom circa 2008.....)

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I think Holmström should play 3rd or 4th line, and of course 1st unit PP. Let whomever is hot play along Datsyuk.

Franzen might be better of with Z chemisty wise?

Flip-Dats-???
Franzen-Z-Bert

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If their gonna tweak the lines, it has to be ZDH, then Franzen-Filppula-Bertuzzi. You could put Cleary on that 2nd line, but Mule and Bert are big boys and thats what we need to get to the net.

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