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04-18-2010, 11:08 PM
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signing the goalies

I was wondering what Mtl should do with Halak and Price.

1) If they sign Halak for around 3 mil., will they have enough to sign Price for around 2 mil.?

2) What happens if a team like Philly offers Price $4 mil.? Would we want to settle for that compensation? What is the compensation?

3) Would it be better to let all teams know that Mtl would listen to trade offers at the draft? What would we want for one of Price or Halak?

Hope to hear opinions from other readers.

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04-18-2010, 11:12 PM
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why would halak get 3 or 4 million $?

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04-18-2010, 11:21 PM
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If one of our goalie is signed to an offer sheet, we have a week to match the offer. If we don't then depending on the salary, the compensation would be:

$863,156 or less : None
$863,156 - $1,307,812: 3rd round pick
$1,307,812 - $2,615,625: 2nd round pick
$2,615,623 - $3,923,437: 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,923,437 - $5,231,249: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,231,249 - $6,539,062: Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,539,062 or more: Four 1st round picks

So if Philly would sign Price to 4M, we'd get a 1st-2nd-3rd.

But neither of our goalies will get signed for 4M and we'll start the next season with both of them.
I don't see either one being moved this summer.

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04-18-2010, 11:49 PM
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kriss,

are those the new cap increase updated numbers or the old cba numbers?

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Those numbers were for the 08-09 season. So it should be similar.

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04-19-2010, 12:31 AM
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This was the compensation for 2009-2010 signings:

$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 1st round pick, 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - two 1st round picks, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - four 1st round picks.

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04-19-2010, 03:42 AM
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This was the compensation for 2009-2010 signings:

$994,433 or below - No Compensation
$994,434 - $1,506,717 - 3rd round pick
$1506,718 - $3,013,433 - 2nd round pick
$3,013,433 - $4,520,150 - 1st round pick, 3rd round pick
$4,520,151 - $6,026,867 - 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
$6,026,868 - $7,533,584 - two 1st round picks, 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Over $7,533,584 - four 1st round picks.
Cap is going up a bit, so these numbers probably will, too (if enough signings in the off-season drive the average salary up, or however that works). pam19's point is also important, as you have to have the picks (you can't plan to get them somehow later, or put off deciding which ones), and I believe they have to be your own picks (not ones acquired from other teams... but I'm just a hair under 100% sure on that), or you can't make the offer.

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Both are RFA.
Anyone thinking that RFA should get more than other RFA would get can get out of this thread.

A big offer (> 1.5-2M) makes sense if we want to sign Halak or/and Price for more that 2 years...
These are the rules of the market.

If an offer sheet is presented to them, we can evaluate.
How many offer sheets were presented in the last four years?
BTW, I think the Flyers don't even have a first round this year: case closed.

Any offer sheet without a first round will be matched before a second tought.
I don't think we'll ever really know. But what we DO know, is that not many teams have managed to successfully pluck any top talent from other teams via offer sheets (or even try, for that matter, like you said). Burke could have gone that way to get Kessel, but he decided to trade instead (notice he paid more than he would have via offer sheet compensation... that's how reluctant GMs are to go this route), as he said stuff like that will make you a target for offer sheets yourself. If the Islanders did it, the backlash would be 29 offers for Tavares. If the Lightning did it, there'd be 29 offers for Stamkos. Oilers/Bruins? Better budget top dollar for Hall/Seguin right away. How about Washington? Think they want to give anyone an excuse to come after Backstrom? And what happens in the end? Those teams either lose them, or are forced to sign them at top dollar years before they were budgeting to.

Simply put, it is extremely unlikely that a GM will put one in front of a player that another team plans to hang onto. Sounds like a good chess move to the armchair GMs and NHL2010 guys, but those 30 guys do work together, and have too much respect for each other (for the most part) to start this kind of war. Offer sheets are a way out for players who no longer fit in the long term plans of the team, but are still young. It's unlikely you'll see them turned into a star-hunting tool just because it's possible.


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04-19-2010, 03:57 AM
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If one of our goalie is signed to an offer sheet, we have a week to match the offer. If we don't then depending on the salary, the compensation would be:

$863,156 or less : None
$863,156 - $1,307,812: 3rd round pick
$1,307,812 - $2,615,625: 2nd round pick
$2,615,623 - $3,923,437: 1st and 3rd round pick
$3,923,437 - $5,231,249: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick
$5,231,249 - $6,539,062: Two 1st's, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick
$6,539,062 or more: Four 1st round picks

So if Philly would sign Price to 4M, we'd get a 1st-2nd-3rd.

But neither of our goalies will get signed for 4M and we'll start the next season with both of them.
I don't see either one being moved this summer.
Those numbers change every year...we would get like a #1 pick for Halak now. But 2011 draft is weaker, doubt we would get much of a player. Not really much return for a 24 year old goalie who finished 9th this past season in save percentage and goals against.

On other hand we need cap space and help in other areas, Halak could bring us a core player or very high pick this year. Plus, Desjardins is ready to step in and he put up better numbers in Hamilton this season than Halak did his final year there. It sounds like a trade coming

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04-19-2010, 04:06 AM
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Those numbers change every year...we would get like a #1 pick for Halak now. But 2011 draft is weaker, doubt we would get much of a player. Not really much return for a 24 year old goalie who finished 9th this past season in save percentage and goals against.

On other hand we need cap space and help in other areas, Halak could bring us a core player or very high pick this year. Plus, Desjardins is ready to step in and he put up better numbers in Hamilton this season than Halak did his final year there. It sounds like a trade coming
If this had any legs at all, doesn't Desjardins make Price redundant, not Halak? I mean, if Halak is the one playing better now, and you're forecasting Desjardins to be better than Halak, why wouldn't Price (and his valuable potential) be the trade bait? 29 teams, remember?

Just sayin'. Desjardins likely ain't being brought up anytime soon. Maybe in a year, two, or three.

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04-19-2010, 05:57 AM
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Both are RFA.
Anyone thinking that RFA should get more than other RFA would get can get out of this thread.

A big offer (> 1.5-2M) makes sense if we want to sign Halak or/and Price for more that 2 years...
These are the rules of the market.

If an offer sheet is presented to them, we can evaluate.
How many offer sheets were presented in the last four years?
BTW, I think the Flyers don't even have a first round this year: case closed.

Any offer sheet without a first round will be matched before a second tought.
OK time to get your story straight.
Both are RFA's so far so good, but the one thing you omitted, was the fact that Halak is allowed arbitration. Changes the whole story !

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04-19-2010, 11:28 AM
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Easy answer is that neither deserves > $2,000,000. Sign both to identical, 2-year deals ($1.5M for the first year and $2.0M for the second year). You'll have them both locked up for two years at a cap hit of $3.5M/year. Numbers might be off a bit, but that's the kind of arrangement I would set up.

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