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04-20-2010, 10:49 PM
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TSN Hack Rates Howard as 9th Best Rookie

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=318744

I think he picked these out of a hat.

Included ahead of Howard are Jamie McBain, who played in all of 14 NHL games this year, and John Carlson, who played in all of 22 NHL games this year. And Evander Kane's 13 even strength goals (this clown actually cites that as an impressive total) evidently puts him ahead of Howard as well.


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he actually rated howard the best rookie this season but the 9th rookie for the long term value

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he actually rated howard the best rookie this season but the 9th rookie for the long term value
Either way, if Howard is going to be the starting goalie for the Wings for the next 5 years or more, he's going to have just as much long term value as anyone on that list.

For being the "next Crosby", Tavares has been extremely mediocre.

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Either way, if Howard is going to be the starting goalie for the Wings for the next 5 years or more, he's going to have just as much long term value as anyone on that list.

For being the "next Crosby", Tavares has been extremely mediocre.
it just really depends on what you deem long term

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04-20-2010, 11:34 PM
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Meh, Cullen makes some good points, I don't really fault him for the article. Projecting the future of current rookies is a pretty fluid practice. Plus, goalies are pretty much a wild card.

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With McBain he's drinking some SERIOUS Kool-Aid.

I see the writer's point about Howard being a lot older thus reducing his appeal long term. I think Karlsson should be in Hedman's spot, and I think Hedman should be in McBain's spot and I don't think he or Filatov should be in the top 15.

I have Howard in my keeper league pool, I'll enjoy him while I can which will be at least 5 years like another poster mentioned. I have the 2nd and 3rd picks which I hope to use for Myers and Karlsson.

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Seems odd to me that you would call him a clown when he said in this article that Howard is his pick for the Calder ...

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Overall the ranking makes sense even though his judgment is obviously subjective. I did get a laugh out of his high praise for Duchene though, I mean why the odd cutoff point of 55 points..well gee Tavares has 54 points and he basically disses him. Just goes to show you how you can use stats in a manipulative fashion.

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04-21-2010, 06:58 AM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=318744

I think he picked these out of a hat.

Included ahead of Howard are Jamie McBain, who played in all of 14 NHL games this year, and John Carlson, who played in all of 22 NHL games this year. And Evander Kane's 13 even strength goals (this clown actually cites that as an impressive total) evidently puts him ahead of Howard as well.

Hey, I think Kane knocking Matt Cooke cold gets him in the top 5 all by itself.

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Seems odd to me that you would call him a clown when he said in this article that Howard is his pick for the Calder ...
If he's his pick for the Calder, wouldn't that make him #1?

This is just as ridiculous as that ESPN guy saying that Howard is the best rookie but because he's 26 he's voting for Myers.

And he ranked Rask ahead of Howard here, meaning he's not so afraid of the volatility of goalies. Even though a lot of great goalies don't make it until they're Howard's age this guy sees it as a handicap for some reason.

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I think it has already been pointed out:

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So, while Jimmy Howard was the highest-ranked rookie in my NHL Player Rankings this season, the 26-year-old isn't the highest-ranked rookie in terms of long-term value because, for one thing, he's as much as seven to eight years older than several of the top-ranked rookies. That's a lot of time for development.
Jimmy is already 26/27 years old. I really do hope he continues this form for the years to come, but the guys listed above him all have one thing in common: more time to develop and more upside. Howard will improve, I'm sure of it, but the others are already in the NHL at 21+ years old and are pretty much locks in the rosters. Not too sure about Jamie McBain, though.

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Hey, I think Kane knocking Matt Cooke cold gets him in the top 5 all by itself.
My respect for Kane went from, "Who the **** is this guy?" to "He is my hero" in just one punch. I love it, Matt Cooke is top 3 in who I hate the most in this league, so I enjoyed it.

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The fact they had Tavares over carlsson already made it a joke.

They are basing this on overall potential in the long run.

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Comment: My pick for the Calder, based on this season, but the 26-year-old doesn't figure to have the same kind of upside as some of the younger rookies. He'll have to settle for being a bona fide starting NHL goaltender.

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Potential is like wishing. If wishes were fishes we'd all live in the ocean. I'd rather have a known quantity.

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The fact they had Tavares over carlsson already made it a joke.
Yeah, any time you rank a guy who plays a full NHL season and scores 24 goals over another guy who plays 22 games you're obviously just being silly.



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They are basing this on overall potential in the long run.
Hey, what clued you in? Was it when he wrote "This is not Calder Trophy voting. The purpose of this exercise is to try and gauge the long-term value of these players."?

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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=318744

I think he picked these out of a hat.

Included ahead of Howard are Jamie McBain, who played in all of 14 NHL games this year, and John Carlson, who played in all of 22 NHL games this year. And Evander Kane's 13 even strength goals (this clown actually cites that as an impressive total) evidently puts him ahead of Howard as well.


Jesus. Another Wings fan griping about lack of respect for something or another.

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Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill......

How much further development room do you think Howard has? I think it's not crazy to say that he's close to his peak in terms of upside potential already. That's why he's only ranked 9th. The other players still have time to get better. Doesn't mean they will just that their ceiling is higher. Basically this list isn't a rank of "best player now" but rather "highest ceiling now". So yeah, Howard is low because he's pretty much at his upside already while the others can still potential turn into Hart/Norris/Vezina players who dominate.

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I can't believe how many morons there are who call up radio shows.
"Don't get me wrong, I think Howard is a great young kid who's gonna be a superstar. But we need to play Ozzie."

Does anyone really, really think Howard is going to be a superstar?
I'd settle for good NHL goaltender.

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eh, I wont really complain.. Howard is ahead of some great names on that list.. Karlsson, JVR, Filatov, etc... I dont agree with some of the guys above him, but I guess it evens out..

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Jesus. Another Wings fan griping about lack of respect for something or another.
We have three days to kill before the next game. I'm doing my best here.

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We have three days to kill before the next game. I'm doing my best here.
God damn it.

Three days?

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God damn it.

Three days?
Yeah, that day off the Wings were supposed to have between games 1 and 2 of the finals last year was rescheduled to this series. Stupid NHL.

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If he's his pick for the Calder, wouldn't that make him #1?

This is just as ridiculous as that ESPN guy saying that Howard is the best rookie but because he's 26 he's voting for Myers.

And he ranked Rask ahead of Howard here, meaning he's not so afraid of the volatility of goalies. Even though a lot of great goalies don't make it until they're Howard's age this guy sees it as a handicap for some reason.
Not at all. The rookie season should not determine who will have the best career when all development is said and done.

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The fact that he put McBain ahead makes me want to cry. I live an hour out of Albany and always go to see the River Rats play, whom McBain happens to play for in the AHL. He seems to kill more penalties for the other team than his own, purely by the fact that his ability to keep pucks in the offensive zone from the point are equivalent to that of a toddler. That's just ludicrous.

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