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Special teams roles - 1968-2009

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Special teams roles - 1968-2009

As requested by Hockey Outsider, here are the players with the largest and smallest roles on special teams (minimum 500 GP) since 1967-68.

Essentially, PP% is the percentage of the team's power play goals for that the player was on the ice for in his career, and PK% is the percentage of the team's power play goals against that the player was on the ice for in his career. There is also an adjustment for games played to put it approximately on a per-game basis. This should be clear by looking at Mario Lemieux's numbers - he certainly didn't play 94% of his team's games!

Power Play (forwards)
Rk Player GP PP%
1 Mario Lemieux 915 94%
2 Ilya Kovalchuk 545 86%
3 Phil Esposito 1047 82%
4 Wayne Gretzky 1487 82%
5 Paul Kariya 914 81%
6 Kent Nilsson 553 81%
7 Joe Sakic 1378 79%
8 Guy Chouinard 578 79%
9 Marcel Dionne 1348 77%
10 Rene Robert 744 76%
11 Mike Bossy 752 75%
12 Brad Richards 620 75%
13 Dany Heatley 507 75%
14 John Bucyk 785 74%
15 Teemu Selanne 1132 74%
16 Ron Francis 1731 73%
17 Pavel Bure 702 73%
18 Adam Oates 1337 72%
19 Pat Lafontaine 865 72%
20 Dale Hawerchuk 1188 71%
21 Stan Mikita 845 71%
22 Peter Forsberg 706 71%
23 Brett Hull 1269 71%
24 Bernie Federko 1000 71%
25 Alexei Zhamnov 807 71%
26 Rick Martin 685 70%
27 Peter Stastny 977 70%
28 Zigmund Palffy 684 70%
29 Frank Mahovlich 511 70%
30 Gilbert Perreault 1191 70%
31 Guy Lafleur 1126 70%
32 Steve Yzerman 1514 69%
33 Daniel Alfredsson 932 69%
34 Alexei Yashin 850 68%
35 Jaromir Jagr 1273 68%
36 Eric Lindros 760 68%
37 Doug Weight 1184 68%
38 Keith Tkachuk 1134 67%
39 Bill Barber 903 67%
40 Mark Recchi 1490 66%
41 Craig Janney 760 66%
42 Fred Stanfield 807 66%
43 Rod Gilbert 755 65%
44 Jason Allison 552 65%
45 Theoren Fleury 1084 64%
46 Joe Thornton 836 64%
47 Mats Sundin 1346 64%
48 Bobby Rousseau 521 64%
49 Tim Kerr 655 64%
50 Jarome Iginla 942 63%
636 Paul Gillis 624 3%
637 Ian Laperriere 1001 3%
638 Dave Schultz 535 3%
639 Mike Eastwood 783 3%
640 Kirk Maltby 1020 3%
641 Dave Hannan 841 3%
642 Kelly Buchberger 1182 3%
643 Jim Nill 524 3%
644 Colin Patterson 504 3%
645 Jocelyn Lemieux 598 3%
646 Dave Tippett 721 3%
647 Gaetan Duchesne 1028 3%
648 Shjon Podein 699 3%
649 Dave Hunter 746 3%
650 Jay Pandolfo 767 3%
651 Dan Hinote 503 3%
652 Mike Sullivan 709 2%
653 Tim Hunter 815 2%
654 Bob Gould 697 2%
655 Tom Fitzgerald 1097 2%
656 Jan Erixon 556 2%
657 Jim Mckenzie 880 2%
658 Kris Draper 1029 2%
659 Bob Bassen 765 2%
660 Jamal Mayers 666 2%
661 Bill Lindsay 777 2%
662 Craig Adams 507 2%
663 Craig Berube 1054 1%
664 Ronnie Stern 638 1%
665 Kevyn Adams 540 1%
666 Alain Cote 696 1%
667 Ryan Johnson 609 1%
668 Pat Conacher 521 1%
669 Bill Berg 539 1%
670 Todd Ewen 518 1%
671 Boyd Devereaux 627 1%
672 Kevin Mcclelland 588 1%
673 Nick Fotiu 646 1%
674 Mike Eagles 853 1%
675 Mark Janssens 711 1%
676 Dave Brown 729 1%
677 Rob Ray 900 1%
678 Andre Roy 515 1%
679 Kent Manderville 646 1%
680 Derrick Smith 537 1%
681 Mick Vukota 574 1%
682 Jim Cummins 511 1%
683 Kris King 849 0%
684 Stu Grimson 729 0%
685 Darren Langdon 521 0%

Power Play (defencemen)

Rk Player GP PP%
1 Bobby Orr 596 98%
2 Ray Bourque 1612 88%
3 Brian Leetch 1205 88%
4 Denis Potvin 1060 87%
5 Al Macinnis 1416 87%
6 Jeff Brown 747 84%
7 Phil Housley 1495 84%
8 Sergei Zubov 1068 83%
9 Brad Park 1115 81%
10 Gary Suter 1145 80%
11 Paul Coffey 1409 79%
12 Kimmo Timonen 730 77%
13 Stefan Persson 622 77%
14 Risto Siltanen 562 77%
15 Paul Reinhart 648 77%
16 Doug Wilson 1024 76%
17 Sergei Gonchar 929 75%
18 Nicklas Lidstrom 1330 71%
19 Dan Boyle 600 70%
20 Mathieu Schneider 1264 70%
21 Rob Blake 1200 69%
22 Sandis Ozolinsh 875 68%
23 Craig Hartsburg 570 68%
24 Tomas Kaberle 738 67%
25 Brian Rafalski 692 67%
26 Reed Larson 904 66%
27 Chris Pronger 1022 66%
28 Tom Kurvers 659 66%
29 Bryan Berard 619 66%
30 Andrei Markov 571 66%
31 Larry Murphy 1615 65%
32 Guy Lapointe 884 64%
33 Norm Maciver 500 64%
34 Dick Redmond 771 64%
35 Scott Niedermayer 1183 63%
36 Dave Babych 1195 63%
37 Tomas Jonsson 552 63%
38 Steve Duchesne 1113 62%
39 Borje Salming 1148 62%
40 Fredrik Olausson 1022 61%
41 Lubomir Visnovsky 549 61%
42 Ian Turnbull 628 60%
43 Robert Svehla 655 60%
44 Jason Woolley 718 59%
45 Vladimir Malakhov 712 59%
46 Roman Hamrlik 1157 59%
47 Mark Howe 929 58%
48 Doug Bodger 1071 58%
49 Brad Maxwell 612 58%
50 John Van Boxmeer 588 58%
301 Colin Campbell 636 4%
302 Don Awrey 842 4%
303 Ken Daneyko 1286 4%
304 Karlis Skrastins 679 4%
305 Brian Glennie 572 4%
306 Bryan Watson 715 4%
307 Fred Barrett 745 4%
308 Brad Lukowich 640 4%
309 Lee Fogolin 924 3%
310 Luke Richardson 1417 3%
311 Willie Mitchell 538 3%
312 Paul Laus 530 3%
313 Aaron Miller 677 3%
314 Dana Murzyn 838 3%
315 Joe Reekie 902 3%
316 Steven Finn 725 3%
317 Murray Baron 988 3%
318 Pat Quinn 606 3%
319 Gary Doak 735 3%
320 Keith Magnuson 589 3%
321 Dave Lewis 1008 3%
322 Richard Pilon 631 3%
323 Rob Zettler 569 2%
324 Doug Houda 561 2%
325 Chris Tamer 644 2%
326 Craig Ludwig 1256 2%
327 Dave Langevin 513 2%
328 Chris Dahlquist 532 2%
329 Cory Sarich 692 2%
330 Dave Hutchison 584 2%
331 Bob Boughner 630 2%
332 Mike Lalor 687 2%
333 Bryce Salvador 531 2%
334 Jamie Pushor 521 2%
335 Larry Playfair 688 2%
336 Jason Smith 1008 1%
337 Nolan Pratt 592 1%
338 Brendan Witt 848 1%
339 Jim Kyte 598 1%
340 Gord Lane 539 1%
341 Craig Muni 819 1%
342 Brad Marsh 1086 1%
343 Randy Velischek 509 1%
344 Bob Mcgill 705 1%
345 Ken Morrow 550 1%
346 Dean Kennedy 717 1%
347 Jason Strudwick 559 1%
348 Hal Gill 851 1%
349 Pierre Bouchard 595 0%
350 Todd Simpson 580 0%

Penalty Kill (forwards)
Rk Player GP SH%
1 Ed Westfall 863 69%
2 Don Luce 894 66%
3 John Madden 712 62%
4 Craig Ramsay 1070 59%
5 Lorne Henning 543 57%
6 Doug Jarvis 964 55%
7 Bill Collins 768 54%
8 Lew Morrison 581 53%
9 Guy Carbonneau 1318 52%
10 Dave Tippett 721 51%
11 Gregg Sheppard 657 51%
12 Dave Poulin 724 50%
13 Jim Roberts 567 50%
14 John Chabot 508 49%
15 Don Marcotte 867 49%
16 Jay Pandolfo 767 49%
17 Steve Kasper 821 49%
18 Derek Sanderson 594 49%
19 Bill Clement 719 48%
20 Samuel Pahlsson 557 47%
21 Rod Brind'Amour 1404 46%
22 Butch Goring 1107 46%
23 Kelly Miller 1057 46%
24 Bob Gainey 1160 45%
25 Bob Nevin 664 45%
26 Todd Marchant 1038 45%
27 Paul Woods 501 44%
28 Bob Corkum 720 44%
29 Mike Peca 693 44%
30 Dirk Graham 772 42%
31 Ron Wilson 832 42%
32 Stephane Yelle 921 41%
33 Brent R Peterson 620 41%
34 Dave Hannan 841 41%
35 Mark Messier 1756 41%
36 Larry Patey 717 41%
37 Marc Bureau 567 41%
38 Ryan Johnson 609 41%
39 Murray Oliver 597 41%
40 Scott Pellerin 536 40%
41 Red Berenson 821 40%
42 Claude Lapointe 879 40%
43 Bobby Clarke 1147 40%
44 Jerry Butler 641 40%
45 Dale Mccourt 532 40%
46 Craig Conroy 928 40%
47 P.J. Axelsson 797 39%
48 Joel Otto 943 39%
49 Kevyn Adams 540 39%
50 Glen Sather 655 39%
636 Derek King 830 1%
637 Tomas Holmstrom 811 1%
638 Greg C Adams 545 1%
639 Paul Maclean 719 1%
640 Mike Walton 552 1%
641 Wayne Babych 519 1%
642 Brad May 1001 1%
643 Keith Crowder 662 1%
644 Rob Brown 544 1%
645 Steve Shutt 930 1%
646 Al Secord 766 1%
647 Jeff Odgers 821 1%
648 Joey Kocur 820 1%
649 Guy Chouinard 578 1%
650 Anton Stastny 650 1%
651 Bob Kelly 837 1%
652 Ken Houston 532 1%
653 Stu Grimson 729 0%
654 Randy Robitaille 531 0%
655 Todd Ewen 518 0%
656 Rod Gilbert 755 0%
657 Grant Marshall 700 0%
658 Tie Domi 1020 0%
659 Sergio Momesso 710 0%
660 John Bucyk 785 0%
661 Sandy Mccarthy 736 0%
662 Curt Fraser 704 0%
663 Jim Cummins 511 0%
664 Willi Plett 834 0%
665 Rick Martin 685 0%
666 Clark Gillies 958 0%
667 Paul Macdermid 690 0%
668 Chris Nilan 688 0%
669 Sylvain Turgeon 669 0%
670 Andre Roy 515 0%
671 Dave Schultz 535 0%
672 Bob Probert 935 0%
673 Darren Langdon 521 0%
674 Andrei Nazarov 571 0%
675 Craig Berube 1054 0%
676 Basil Mcrae 576 0%
677 Nick Fotiu 646 0%
678 Gino Odjick 605 0%
679 Mick Vukota 574 0%
680 Bob Nystrom 900 0%
681 Dave Brown 729 0%
682 Rob Ray 900 0%
683 Jim Mckenzie 880 0%
684 Yvan Cournoyer 774 0%
685 Dave Semenko 575 0%

Penalty Kill (defencemen)

Rk Player GP SH%
1 Bill White 604 65%
2 Bobby Orr 596 63%
3 Ray Bourque 1612 58%
4 Serge Savard 1038 58%
5 Chris Chelios 1644 58%
6 Bill Hajt 854 57%
7 Barry Beck 615 57%
8 Jim Schoenfeld 719 56%
9 Willie Mitchell 538 56%
10 Scott Stevens 1635 56%
11 Derian Hatcher 1045 55%
12 Borje Salming 1148 55%
13 Bob Plager 615 55%
14 Bob Stewart 575 54%
15 Chris Pronger 1022 54%
16 Bert Marshall 750 54%
17 Denis Potvin 1060 53%
18 Rod Langway 994 53%
19 Nicklas Lidstrom 1330 53%
20 Carol Vadnais 1076 53%
21 Terry Harper 795 53%
22 Dave Burrows 724 53%
23 Gilles Marotte 690 53%
24 Adam Foote 1040 52%
25 Guy Lapointe 884 52%
26 Tom Laidlaw 705 52%
27 Craig Ludwig 1256 52%
28 Hal Gill 851 51%
29 Richard Matvichuk 796 51%
30 Barry Gibbs 792 51%
31 Karlis Skrastins 679 51%
32 Kevin Hatcher 1157 51%
33 Barclay Plager 614 51%
34 Tracy Pratt 580 51%
35 Zdeno Chara 767 51%
36 Jamie Macoun 1128 51%
37 Tom Reid 701 50%
38 Rick Green 845 50%
39 Brian Leetch 1205 50%
40 Rod Seiling 844 49%
41 Harold Snepsts 1033 49%
42 Gary Bergman 649 49%
43 Kjell Samuelsson 813 49%
44 Rob Blake 1200 49%
45 Ron Stackhouse 889 49%
46 Bryan Watson 715 49%
47 Dallas Smith 773 49%
48 Mike Milbury 754 49%
49 Mattias Norstrom 903 49%
50 Brad Marsh 1086 49%
301 Gord Lane 539 25%
302 Bryan Marchment 926 25%
303 Jim Kyte 598 25%
304 Steven Finn 725 25%
305 Gilbert Delorme 541 25%
306 Darryl Sydor 1244 25%
307 Aki Berg 606 25%
308 Ron Greschner 982 25%
309 Frantisek Kaberle 523 25%
310 Dmitri Mironov 556 25%
311 Petr Svoboda 1047 25%
312 Dave Hutchison 584 25%
313 Brad Maxwell 612 24%
314 Yves Racine 508 24%
315 Randy Hillier 543 24%
316 Brian Rafalski 692 24%
317 J.J. Daigneault 899 24%
318 Gary Doak 735 23%
319 Jiri Slegr 622 23%
320 Paul Mara 639 23%
321 Oleg Tverdovsky 713 23%
322 Brian Benning 568 23%
323 Ed Jovanovski 903 23%
324 Dennis Kearns 677 23%
325 Doug Houda 561 22%
326 Fredrik Olausson 1022 22%
327 Jean Potvin 613 21%
328 Brent Sopel 515 21%
329 John Van Boxmeer 588 21%
330 Mathieu Dandenault 599 21%
331 Drake Berehowsky 549 21%
332 Bob Mcgill 705 20%
333 Tomas Jonsson 552 20%
334 Sergei Gonchar 929 19%
335 Sandis Ozolinsh 875 19%
336 Larry Playfair 688 18%
337 Jason Strudwick 559 17%
338 Bryan Berard 619 16%
339 Tom Kurvers 659 16%
340 Risto Siltanen 562 16%
341 Chris Joseph 510 15%
342 Mike Mcewen 716 15%
343 Pierre Bouchard 595 14%
344 Norm Maciver 500 14%
345 Dan Boyle 600 12%
346 Jim Benning 605 12%
347 Paul Laus 530 11%
348 Lubomir Visnovsky 549 11%
349 Phil Housley 1495 11%
350 Jason Woolley 718 2%

I just have a few observations.
  • The top penalty killers appear to have logged a higher percentage of shorthanded ice time in the 1970s, probably because there were fewer power plays to kill off.
  • How about Bobby Orr?
  • Players who missed a lot of time and were good on the power play (like Mario Lemieux) may have a slightly inflated PP%, as presumably their team scored more power play goals with them than without them.
  • I never realized that basically all 500+ game defenders saw at least some time on the penalty kill...with one exception. Jason Woolley's coaches appear to have considered him to be radioactive on the penalty kill. Phil Housley would stand out a lot more if the cutoff was set to 1000 games.
  • If I dropped the cutoff to 400 GP post-1968, Jacques Laperriere would be the top defencemen in SH% with 73%, and Tim Horton would be in the top 5 with 60%. Also, Dan Hamhuis would slide between Bill Hajt and Barry Beck in the top 10 defencemen SH%.
  • Forwards with 400-500 GP - Charlie Burns had a SH% of 79%! That was a different era, for sure. Paul Gardner stands out among full-career 400-500 GP players, as he had a PP% of 71%, more PPG than ESG, was -121, and never killed penalties. That's about as close as it gets to a career PP specialist.


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Excellent Work

Excellent work.

Definitely changes the perception of certain players and their contributions.

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Thanks very much for making this thread, Overpass. Should be a great resource for the ATD as well.
  • These are career averages and in some cases it might make sense to look at players on a year-by-year basis. Brett Hull is an unusual case. Based on my calculations, he went from a miserable 4% of his team’s PK% (1990-93) to a very respectable 36% (1994-1997). I’d expect to see significant variations for Gretzky, Trottier, Yzerman and Stevens.
  • Given that he’s unquestionably the third best scoring forward of the past forty years, Jagr’s PP% is lower than I expected. Maybe his numbers are skewed a bit by his first several years (when he had to share PP ice time with a very deep team led by Lemieux, almost certainly the greatest PP forward in history).
  • Which HHOF forward has the lowest PP%? I’d guess Gainey.
  • I see a few HHOF forwards on the low PK% list: Steve Shutt, Johny Bucyk, Clark Gillies and Yvan Cournoyer. The Roadrunner was initially a powerplay specialist who eventually became good enough to become an excellent even-strength contributor. He never improved enough defensively to become a penalty killer (though perhaps this is unfair to Cournoyer, who played on very deep teams with some of the best PKers in history).
  • That’s another reason Housley shouldn’t (IMO) be in the Hall of Fame (worst PK% of any defenseman over 800 games & 2nd worst on the chart). He excelled in one area that’s easily quantifiable (offense) but how much value did he bring to his team overall?
  • Leetch’s PK% is surprisingly high (around Blake / Chara level), though it may be inflated a bit by playing many years on some very weak Ranger bluelines.
  • Is anybody else enraged when people suggest creating a “Bobby Orr” award for best offensive defenseman?
  • There’s more specialization among elite forwards. Zero forwards appeared on both top fifty lists. I’d guess Messier and Clarke come closest. Nine defensemen appeared on both lists (Orr, Bourque, Potvin, Leetch, Lidstrom, Pronger, Blake, Salming, Lapointe).

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Specifics

Would it be possible to have team specific numbers for players that played on multiple teams? Examples - Gretzky and Esposito comparables for the various teams they played for may reveal different philosophies about power play time. Likewise Doug Jarvis - PK may reveal differences in this regard between the various teams.

Same question but applied to coaches - example how Scotty Bowman viewed PP and PK time, with regards to forwards, d-men - a Lidstrom, Robinson, Savard, Lapointe comparison, etc.

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[*]Thatís another reason Housley shouldnít (IMO) be in the Hall of Fame (worst PK% of any defenseman over 800 games & 2nd worst on the chart). He excelled in one area thatís easily quantifiable (offense) but how much value did he bring to his team overall?
While I agree with the general opinion of Housley, it goes way overboard sometimes.

He is 7th among defensemen at 84% on the PP, and only 2 forwards top that. That while playing more games than any of the other top 10, besides Bourque. His 84+11= 95 is not that far behind the score of the two 50th place D scores, 58+49= 107. Would likely be in the top 50 combined scores.

He certainly has more value than Rod Gilbert at 65+0.

He has a career +/- of -53, but has a career 1069 PGF. His teams combine for less than 100 more GF than GA over his career, but his TGF-TGA is 2403-1527 +826. That may not rate as HHoF value, but it certainly has to rate as some value.

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I had a question about this from someone, and it's a good point.

What's the value in having a high SH%? Isn't it bad to allow goals against?

Yes, the SH% seems a little backwards. Certainly I wouldn't look at a single game and say "Hey, the guy had a SH% of 100%, that's pretty good!" So it's obviously not a stat that demonstrates direct value.

But in the long run, over several years or a career, the players with high SH% are the ones that the coaches keep sending out there, so they must be doing something right. I think looking at the top names on the list is proof of that.

This stat won't pick up on the players that were able to reduce their team's power play goals against by being good penalty killers. As a result, in a full analysis, I'd look at the team success of the penalty kills for players that had a high SH%. Many of the players at the top of the list played for teams that were among the best at killing penalties, which makes their SH% even more impressive. For example, Buffalo was the best penalty killing team in the league over the span of Craig Ramsay's career, so he was obviously doing something right, even with all the goals that went in with him on the ice.

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These are career averages and in some cases it might make sense to look at players on a year-by-year basis. Brett Hull is an unusual case. Based on my calculations, he went from a miserable 4% of his team’s PK% (1990-93) to a very respectable 36% (1994-1997). I’d expect to see significant variations for Gretzky, Trottier, Yzerman and Stevens.
I absolutely agree. The career averages presented here are an oversimplification. But they are also very easy for me to calculate for lots of players at once, and in-depth looks at individual players take a little longer. I may do this in the future, as some players roles certainly changed as they changed teams and coaches, or as their games developed.

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There’s more specialization among elite forwards. Zero forwards appeared on both top fifty lists. I’d guess Messier and Clarke come closest. Nine defensemen appeared on both lists (Orr, Bourque, Potvin, Leetch, Lidstrom, Pronger, Blake, Salming, Lapointe).
Yes. Here's a junk stat to calculate which forwards played the largest role on both special teams over their career - PP% multiplied by SH%. It doesn't mean anything in itself, simply finds the players with large contributions in both areas over their careers.

Rk Player GP PP% SH% PPxSH
1 Wayne Gretzky 1487 82% 31% 0.26
2 Mario Lemieux 915 94% 26% 0.25
3 Red Berenson 821 62% 40% 0.25
4 Steve Yzerman 1514 69% 35% 0.24
5 Rod Brind'Amour 1404 52% 46% 0.24
6 Dale Mccourt 532 60% 40% 0.24
7 Bobby Clarke 1147 59% 40% 0.23
8 Mark Messier 1756 56% 41% 0.23
9 Phil Esposito 1047 82% 27% 0.22
10 Bill Barber 903 67% 33% 0.22
11 Butch Goring 1107 46% 46% 0.21
12 Pavel Bure 702 73% 28% 0.20
13 Joe Sakic 1378 79% 25% 0.20
14 Doug Gilmour 1474 58% 34% 0.20
15 Adam Oates 1337 72% 27% 0.19
16 Ron Francis 1731 73% 25% 0.18
17 Barry Pederson 701 51% 36% 0.18
18 Stan Mikita 845 71% 25% 0.18
19 Frank Mahovlich 511 70% 26% 0.18
20 Gregg Sheppard 657 35% 51% 0.18
21 Sergei Fedorov 1249 58% 31% 0.18
22 Neal Broten 1099 48% 37% 0.18
23 Alexei Zhamnov 807 71% 25% 0.17
24 Andrew Cassels 1015 55% 31% 0.17
25 Mike Modano 1400 63% 27% 0.17
26 Brad Richards 620 75% 23% 0.17
27 Steve Rucchin 735 54% 30% 0.16
28 Brian Rolston 1041 50% 33% 0.16
29 Pete Mahovlich 847 50% 32% 0.16
30 Dave Keon 824 45% 36% 0.16
31 Bob Nevin 664 36% 45% 0.16
32 Peter Forsberg 706 71% 22% 0.16
33 Joe Juneau 828 52% 30% 0.16
34 Mats Sundin 1346 64% 24% 0.15
35 Theoren Fleury 1084 64% 24% 0.15
36 Ed Westfall 863 22% 69% 0.15
37 Murray Oliver 597 37% 41% 0.15
38 Steve Larmer 1006 61% 25% 0.15
39 Trevor Linden 1382 46% 33% 0.15
40 Jere Lehtinen 817 43% 34% 0.15
41 Darren Turcotte 635 41% 36% 0.15
42 Bryan Trottier 1279 54% 27% 0.15
43 Mike Peca 693 33% 44% 0.14
44 Kent Nilsson 553 81% 17% 0.14
45 Mike Murphy 831 38% 36% 0.14
46 Walt Mckechnie 955 40% 34% 0.14
47 Chris Drury 791 54% 25% 0.13
48 Mike Ridley 866 41% 32% 0.13
49 Andre Boudrias 655 42% 32% 0.13
50 Bernie Nicholls 1127 61% 22% 0.13

You see some great players at the top, as well as some players who played on weak teams.

The top of the defencemen list reads like a list of the top defenders of the last 40 years, for the most part. Chris Chelios in his prime would certainly have been higher on this list. Larry Robinson is surprisingly low, I wonder how much that had to do with inter-team competition for special teams spots.

Rk Player GP PP% SH% PPxSH
1 Bobby Orr 596 98% 63% 0.62
2 Ray Bourque 1612 88% 58% 0.51
3 Denis Potvin 1060 87% 53% 0.46
4 Brian Leetch 1205 88% 50% 0.43
5 Nicklas Lidstrom 1330 71% 53% 0.38
6 Chris Pronger 1022 66% 54% 0.36
7 Brad Park 1115 81% 43% 0.34
8 Borje Salming 1148 62% 55% 0.34
9 Rob Blake 1200 69% 49% 0.34
10 Al Macinnis 1416 87% 39% 0.34
11 Guy Lapointe 884 64% 52% 0.34
12 Doug Wilson 1024 76% 41% 0.31
13 Chris Chelios 1644 52% 58% 0.30
14 Reed Larson 904 66% 45% 0.30
15 Carol Vadnais 1076 55% 53% 0.29
16 Barry Beck 615 51% 57% 0.29
17 Paul Reinhart 648 77% 37% 0.29
18 Bill White 604 44% 65% 0.28
19 Tomas Kaberle 738 67% 42% 0.28
20 Kevin Hatcher 1157 54% 51% 0.27
21 Sergei Zubov 1068 83% 33% 0.27
22 Ian Turnbull 628 60% 44% 0.27
23 Robert Svehla 655 60% 44% 0.26
24 Jeff Brown 747 84% 31% 0.26
25 Rob Ramage 1044 58% 45% 0.26
26 Doug Bodger 1071 58% 44% 0.25
27 Gary Suter 1145 80% 31% 0.25
28 Bryan Mccabe 986 54% 45% 0.25
29 Eric Desjardins 1143 52% 47% 0.24
30 Mark Howe 929 58% 41% 0.24
31 Filip Kuba 602 54% 45% 0.24
32 Kimmo Timonen 730 77% 31% 0.24
33 Scott Niedermayer 1183 63% 38% 0.24
34 Stefan Persson 622 77% 30% 0.23
35 Vladimir Malakhov 712 59% 39% 0.23
36 Steve Chiasson 751 56% 41% 0.23
37 Ron Stackhouse 889 46% 49% 0.23
38 Adrian Aucoin 851 57% 39% 0.22
39 Scott Stevens 1635 40% 56% 0.22
40 Gary Bergman 649 45% 49% 0.22
41 Larry Robinson 1384 49% 45% 0.22
42 Teppo Numminen 1372 48% 46% 0.22
43 Mattias Ohlund 760 49% 46% 0.22
44 Mike O'Connell 860 50% 44% 0.22
45 Paul Coffey 1409 79% 28% 0.22
46 Mathieu Schneider 1264 70% 31% 0.22
47 Wade Redden 919 54% 40% 0.22
48 Kenny Jonsson 686 50% 43% 0.22
49 Jerry Korab 825 46% 47% 0.22
50 Calle Johansson 1109 47% 45% 0.21


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Could you post Jagr's penalty kill please?

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Could you post Jagr's penalty kill please?
Jagr's SH% is 8%. Other forwards with similar games played and SH% include Pat Verbeek, Bobby Holik, Joe Nieuwendyk, and Keith Tkachuk.


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Here are the numbers for some top players at different stages of their career.

Scott Stevens
Year PP% SH%
83-90 53% 41%
91-95 54% 54%
96-04 19% 71%

Chris Chelios
Year PP% SH%
84-86 62% 39%
87-99 76% 60%
00-09 9% 57%

Larry Robinson
Year PP% SH%
73-76 15% 31%
77-86 66% 58%
87-92 42% 30%

Bryan Trottier
Year PP% SH%
76-80 74% 10%
81-88 60% 32%
89-94 15% 40%

Wayne Gretzky
Year PP% SH%
80-90 86% 38%
91-99 77% 22%

Steve Yzerman
Year PP% SH%
84-88 73% 12%
89-94 76% 50%
95-02 68% 42%
03-06 34% 23%

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I decided to add two more stats to these tables to provide some information on how effective players were in their roles.

TmPP+: A measure of how effective the power plays of the teams that the player played for were. 1.00 is average, higher is better.

Essentially it is (teamPP%)/(leaguePP%), so a player whose teams were consistently 20% on the PP in a league where the average team was 16% would have a TmPP+ of 1.25 (20/16).

All numbers include shorthanded goals against, as preventing shorthanded goals is part of a good power play. Also, each season for a player has been weighted by the amount he played on the power play that year. So Chris Chelios's TmPP+ puts very little weight on his Detroit years, and much more weight on his Chicago years.

TmPK+: A measure of how effective the penalty kills of the teams that the player played for were. 1.00 is average, lower is better.

Essentially it is (1-teamPK%)/(1-leaguePP%), so a player whose teams were consistently 85% on the PK in a league where the average team was 80% would have a TmPK+ of 0.75 ((1-0.85)/(1-0.8)).

All numbers include shorthanded goals for. Also, each season for a player has been weighted by the amount he played on the penalty kill that year. So Wayne Gretzky's TmPK+ puts more weight on his Edmonton years than on his Ranger years.

$PPP/S: Power play points per season, adjusted for league scoring level. Power play assists from 1968-1987 are unofficial statistics taken from the boxscores at the Hockey Summary Project. All numbers have been adjusted to a power play scoring level of 70 power play goals per team per season. For the purposes of comparison, that's roughly the power play scoring level of the 2006-07 NHL season.

PP% and SH% have already been explained, but they are simply estimates for power play time on ice as a percentage of the team total and shorthanded time on ice as a percentage of the team total, respectively.

Forwards on the power play
Rk Player GP PP% TmPP+ $PPP/S
1 Mario Lemieux 915 94% 1.06 58
2 Ilya Kovalchuk 545 86% 0.91 36
3 Phil Esposito 1047 82% 1.36 51
4 Wayne Gretzky 1487 82% 1.10 46
5 Paul Kariya 914 81% 0.90 38
6 Kent Nilsson 553 81% 1.06 39
7 Joe Sakic 1378 79% 1.05 39
8 Guy Chouinard 578 79% 1.08 32
9 Marcel Dionne 1348 77% 1.03 40
10 Rene Robert 744 76% 1.05 33
11 Mike Bossy 752 75% 1.27 41
12 Brad Richards 620 75% 0.96 29
13 Dany Heatley 507 75% 0.95 35
14 John Bucyk 785 74% 1.46 41
15 Teemu Selanne 1132 74% 1.07 38
16 Ron Francis 1731 73% 1.00 35
17 Pavel Bure 702 73% 0.91 30
18 Adam Oates 1337 72% 1.08 32
19 Pat Lafontaine 865 72% 1.05 35
20 Dale Hawerchuk 1188 71% 1.01 36
21 Stan Mikita 845 71% 1.04 33
22 Peter Forsberg 706 71% 1.15 41
23 Brett Hull 1269 71% 1.10 35
24 Bernie Federko 1000 71% 0.91 32
25 Alexei Zhamnov 807 71% 0.94 30
26 Rick Martin 685 70% 1.10 31
27 Peter Stastny 977 70% 0.98 34
28 Zigmund Palffy 684 70% 1.01 35
29 Frank Mahovlich 511 70% 1.15 31
30 Gilbert Perreault 1191 70% 1.05 33
31 Guy Lafleur 1126 70% 1.20 33
32 Steve Yzerman 1514 69% 1.10 32
33 Daniel Alfredsson 932 69% 1.05 34
34 Alexei Yashin 850 68% 0.89 33
35 Jaromir Jagr 1273 68% 1.12 37
36 Eric Lindros 760 68% 1.06 32
37 Doug Weight 1184 68% 0.97 32
38 Keith Tkachuk 1134 67% 0.97 29
39 Bill Barber 903 67% 1.18 27
40 Mark Recchi 1490 66% 1.02 30
41 Craig Janney 760 66% 0.99 30
42 Fred Stanfield 807 66% 1.33 27
43 Rod Gilbert 755 65% 1.20 34
44 Jason Allison 552 65% 1.13 36
45 Theoren Fleury 1084 64% 1.02 29
46 Joe Thornton 836 64% 1.03 33
47 Mats Sundin 1346 64% 0.97 29
48 Bobby Rousseau 521 64% 1.28 27
49 Tim Kerr 655 64% 1.06 27
50 Jarome Iginla 942 63% 0.92 29
51 Mike Modano 1400 63% 0.99 30
52 Ray Whitney 992 63% 0.88 30
53 Yvan Cournoyer 774 62% 1.29 33
54 Vincent Lecavalier 787 62% 0.95 26
55 Pierre Turgeon 1294 62% 1.07 31
56 Dave Andreychuk 1639 62% 1.02 27
57 Ryan Smyth 920 62% 0.93 23
58 Red Berenson 821 62% 0.99 28
59 Marc Savard 741 61% 1.01 33
60 Steve Larmer 1006 61% 1.07 26
61 Bernie Nicholls 1127 61% 1.01 31
62 Pavol Demitra 819 61% 1.09 29
63 Charlie Simmer 712 61% 1.02 28
64 Petr Sykora 933 61% 1.07 24
65 Marian Hossa 775 60% 1.12 28
66 Andrew Brunette 868 60% 0.89 26
67 Jeremy Roenick 1363 60% 0.98 27
68 Dale Mccourt 532 60% 0.93 26
69 Jean Ratelle 1022 60% 1.21 32
70 Vic Hadfield 647 60% 1.18 29
71 Alexander Mogilny 990 60% 1.07 31
72 Jason Arnott 1036 59% 1.04 25
73 Alexei Kovalev 1151 59% 1.09 28
74 Luc Robitaille 1431 59% 1.06 29
75 Danny Grant 735 59% 0.93 23
76 Daniel Briere 591 59% 1.00 30
77 Patrik Elias 822 59% 1.06 26
78 Brendan Shanahan 1524 59% 1.14 29
79 Bobby Clarke 1147 59% 1.13 28
80 Sergei Fedorov 1249 58% 1.17 27
81 Denis Savard 1196 58% 1.01 30
82 Milan Hejduk 783 58% 1.08 27
83 Tom Lysiak 919 58% 1.00 24
84 Saku Koivu 792 58% 1.10 28
85 Cliff Ronning 1137 58% 0.91 27
86 Doug Gilmour 1474 58% 1.05 27
87 Marian Gaborik 502 58% 0.87 27
88 Mats Naslund 651 57% 0.99 24
89 Mike Walton 552 57% 0.97 26
90 Brian Bellows 1188 57% 1.00 25
91 Valeri Bure 621 56% 0.96 25
92 Scott Gomez 706 56% 0.98 24
93 Peter Bondra 1081 56% 1.13 24
94 Mark Messier 1756 56% 1.07 27
95 Vincent Damphousse 1378 56% 0.98 25
96 Donald Audette 735 56% 0.92 25
97 Jacques Lemaire 852 56% 1.30 27
98 Eric Vail 591 56% 1.00 20
99 Dino Ciccarelli 1232 56% 1.00 26
100 Rick Vaive 876 55% 0.97 22

Defencemen on the power play
Rk Player GP PP% TmPP+ $PPP/S
1 Bobby Orr 596 98% 1.52 52
2 Ray Bourque 1612 88% 1.11 38
3 Brian Leetch 1205 88% 1.11 38
4 Denis Potvin 1060 87% 1.18 37
5 Al Macinnis 1416 87% 1.18 41
6 Jeff Brown 747 84% 0.99 34
7 Phil Housley 1495 84% 1.01 33
8 Sergei Zubov 1068 83% 1.14 34
9 Brad Park 1115 81% 1.16 30
10 Gary Suter 1145 80% 1.14 33
11 Paul Coffey 1409 79% 1.13 36
12 Kimmo Timonen 730 77% 0.98 30
13 Stefan Persson 622 77% 1.30 28
14 Risto Siltanen 562 77% 1.02 29
15 Paul Reinhart 648 77% 1.03 32
16 Doug Wilson 1024 76% 1.01 28
17 Sergei Gonchar 929 75% 1.11 32
18 Nicklas Lidstrom 1330 71% 1.26 34
19 Dan Boyle 600 70% 1.00 26
20 Mathieu Schneider 1264 70% 1.01 27
21 Rob Blake 1200 69% 1.03 27
22 Sandis Ozolinsh 875 68% 1.02 28
23 Craig Hartsburg 570 68% 1.03 29
24 Tomas Kaberle 738 67% 1.06 26
25 Brian Rafalski 692 67% 1.09 26
26 Reed Larson 904 66% 0.89 24
27 Chris Pronger 1022 66% 1.12 29
28 Tom Kurvers 659 66% 1.02 24
29 Bryan Berard 619 66% 0.91 25
30 Andrei Markov 571 66% 1.13 28
31 Larry Murphy 1615 65% 1.05 26
32 Guy Lapointe 884 64% 1.29 27
33 Norm Maciver 500 64% 0.91 21
34 Dick Redmond 771 64% 1.04 24
35 Scott Niedermayer 1183 63% 1.04 23
36 Dave Babych 1195 63% 0.94 23
37 Tomas Jonsson 552 63% 1.14 21
38 Steve Duchesne 1113 62% 0.99 23
39 Borje Salming 1148 62% 0.98 22
40 Fredrik Olausson 1022 61% 1.06 25
41 Lubomir Visnovsky 549 61% 1.00 25
42 Ian Turnbull 628 60% 1.06 20
43 Robert Svehla 655 60% 0.86 22
44 Jason Woolley 718 59% 0.88 22
45 Vladimir Malakhov 712 59% 1.01 21
46 Roman Hamrlik 1157 59% 0.89 22
47 Mark Howe 929 58% 0.99 20
48 Doug Bodger 1071 58% 0.99 21
49 Brad Maxwell 612 58% 0.94 23
50 John Van Boxmeer 588 58% 1.01 21

Forwards on the penalty kill
Rk Player GP SH% TmPK+
1 Ed Westfall 863 69% 0.80
2 Don Luce 894 66% 0.81
3 John Madden 712 62% 0.89
4 Craig Ramsay 1070 59% 0.77
5 Lorne Henning 543 57% 0.75
6 Doug Jarvis 964 55% 0.79
7 Bill Collins 768 54% 1.04
8 Lew Morrison 581 53% 1.05
9 Guy Carbonneau 1318 52% 0.91
10 Dave Tippett 721 51% 0.88
11 Gregg Sheppard 657 51% 0.91
12 Dave Poulin 724 50% 0.79
13 Jim Roberts 567 50% 0.83
14 John Chabot 508 49% 0.96
15 Don Marcotte 867 49% 0.80
16 Jay Pandolfo 767 49% 0.89
17 Steve Kasper 821 49% 0.92
18 Derek Sanderson 594 49% 0.80
19 Bill Clement 719 48% 0.89
20 Samuel Pahlsson 557 47% 0.97
21 Rod Brind'Amour 1404 46% 0.99
22 Butch Goring 1107 46% 0.89
23 Kelly Miller 1057 46% 0.85
24 Bob Gainey 1160 45% 0.83
25 Bob Nevin 664 45% 0.95
26 Todd Marchant 1038 45% 1.00
27 Paul Woods 501 44% 1.08
28 Bob Corkum 720 44% 1.03
29 Mike Peca 864 44% 0.89
30 Dirk Graham 772 42% 0.91
31 Ron Wilson 832 42% 0.93
32 Stephane Yelle 921 41% 0.91
33 Brent R Peterson 620 41% 0.92
34 Dave Hannan 841 41% 0.91
35 Mark Messier 1756 41% 0.90
36 Larry Patey 717 41% 0.95
37 Marc Bureau 567 41% 0.99
38 Ryan Johnson 609 41% 1.06
39 Murray Oliver 597 41% 1.14
40 Scott Pellerin 536 40% 0.79
41 Red Berenson 821 40% 1.03
42 Claude Lapointe 879 40% 1.02
43 Bobby Clarke 1147 40% 0.81
44 Jerry Butler 641 40% 1.00
45 Dale Mccourt 532 40% 1.05
46 Craig Conroy 928 40% 0.90
47 P.J. Axelsson 797 39% 0.99
48 Joel Otto 943 39% 0.90
49 Kevyn Adams 540 39% 1.06
50 Glen Sather 655 39% 0.93

Defencemen on the penalty kill
Rk Player GP SH% TmPK+
1 Bill White 604 65% 0.88
2 Bobby Orr 596 63% 0.76
3 Ray Bourque 1612 58% 0.88
4 Serge Savard 1038 58% 0.82
5 Chris Chelios 1644 58% 0.85
6 Bill Hajt 854 57% 0.77
7 Barry Beck 615 57% 1.01
8 Jim Schoenfeld 719 56% 0.77
9 Willie Mitchell 538 56% 0.87
10 Scott Stevens 1635 56% 0.88
11 Derian Hatcher 1045 55% 0.89
12 Borje Salming 1148 55% 1.08
13 Bob Plager 615 55% 1.00
14 Bob Stewart 575 54% 1.19
15 Chris Pronger 1022 54% 0.91
16 Bert Marshall 750 54% 0.97
17 Denis Potvin 1060 53% 0.83
18 Rod Langway 994 53% 0.83
19 Nicklas Lidstrom 1330 53% 0.79
20 Carol Vadnais 1076 53% 0.98
21 Terry Harper 795 53% 0.87
22 Dave Burrows 724 53% 1.05
23 Gilles Marotte 690 53% 1.01
24 Adam Foote 1040 52% 0.97
25 Guy Lapointe 884 52% 0.76
26 Tom Laidlaw 705 52% 0.98
27 Craig Ludwig 1256 52% 0.93
28 Hal Gill 851 51% 1.00
29 Richard Matvichuk 796 51% 0.86
30 Barry Gibbs 792 51% 1.10
31 Karlis Skrastins 679 51% 0.97
32 Kevin Hatcher 1157 51% 0.92
33 Barclay Plager 614 51% 1.02
34 Tracy Pratt 580 51% 1.07
35 Zdeno Chara 767 51% 1.00
36 Jamie Macoun 1128 51% 0.96
37 Tom Reid 701 50% 1.21
38 Rick Green 845 50% 1.04
39 Brian Leetch 1205 50% 1.02
40 Rod Seiling 844 49% 0.94
41 Harold Snepsts 1033 49% 1.08
42 Gary Bergman 649 49% 1.10
43 Kjell Samuelsson 813 49% 0.92
44 Rob Blake 1200 49% 1.01
45 Ron Stackhouse 889 49% 1.07
46 Bryan Watson 715 49% 1.08
47 Dallas Smith 773 49% 0.76
48 Mike Milbury 754 49% 0.83
49 Mattias Norstrom 903 49% 1.01
50 Brad Marsh 1086 49% 0.90
51 Mike Rathje 768 49% 0.97
52 Mike Ramsey 1070 49% 0.88
53 Fred Barrett 745 48% 1.11
54 Richard Smehlik 644 48% 0.80
55 Ken Morrow 550 48% 0.87
56 Alexei Gusarov 607 48% 0.94
57 Bob Murdoch 757 48% 0.88
58 Mark Tinordi 663 47% 0.89
59 Niclas Havelid 628 47% 1.09
60 Robyn Regehr 663 47% 1.04
61 Sami Salo 597 47% 0.91
62 Jay Mckee 740 47% 0.86
63 Eric Desjardins 1143 47% 0.95
64 Jerry Korab 825 47% 0.83
65 Bob Lorimer 529 46% 1.06
66 Dale Rolfe 506 46% 1.01
67 Teppo Numminen 1372 46% 0.94
68 Brendan Witt 848 46% 1.03
69 Ed Van Impe 639 46% 0.82
70 Joel Quenneville 803 46% 0.99
71 Mattias Ohlund 760 46% 1.00
72 Mario Marois 955 45% 0.94
73 Reed Larson 904 45% 1.10
74 Scott Hannan 671 45% 1.01
75 Jason Smith 1008 45% 0.94
76 Uwe Krupp 729 45% 0.94
77 Calle Johansson 1109 45% 0.87
78 Dimitri Yushkevich 786 45% 1.06
79 Don Awrey 842 45% 0.90
80 Bryan Mccabe 986 45% 1.04
81 Larry Robinson 1384 45% 0.86
82 Toni Lydman 593 45% 0.97
83 Rob Ramage 1044 45% 1.06
84 Filip Kuba 602 45% 0.91
85 Phil Russell 1016 45% 0.96
86 Murray Baron 988 44% 1.02
87 Ian Turnbull 628 44% 1.03
88 Steve Konroyd 895 44% 1.02
89 Nick Schultz 526 44% 0.74
90 Joe Watson 763 44% 0.84
91 Robert Svehla 655 44% 1.05
92 Mike O'Connell 860 44% 0.87
93 Sean O'Donnell 1014 44% 0.93
94 Bill Houlder 846 44% 0.96
95 Doug Jarrett 593 44% 0.84
96 Mark Hardy 915 44% 1.12
97 Doug Bodger 1071 44% 0.92
98 Ted Harris 598 44% 1.06
99 Sylvain Lefebvre 945 43% 0.96
100 Keith Carney 1018 43% 0.87

Comments
  • As with the previous stats in this thread, the biggest limitation of these lists is the fact that they are career averages.
  • It's important to remember that the team numbers are team numbers, not individual numbers. The team stats get less valuable as you go down the list, IMO. But they really help to separate the top end guys. While they may have had similar usage, it's pretty clear that Phil Esposito > Ilya Kovalchuk, or Al MacInnis > Jeff Brown.
  • I think it's really interesting how almost all the top players in SH% played on good to very good penalty kills.
  • Bobby Orr - greatest special teams player of all time? Granted he doesn't have a decline phase included in these numbers, but even so...
  • It's pretty obvious that the best special teams relative were in the 1970s, because of the lack of parity. One player who played more recently with terrific team numbers is Nicklas Lidstrom. How much credit should he get for Detroit's incredible special teams?

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Excellent Work

Excellent work as usual. Interesting result Jacques Lemaire on the PP.
The relationship between defensive skills generating offense.

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