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04-25-2010, 08:10 PM
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Off-base from reality? So in your version of reality is our linebacking corps not ridiculously thin? We clearly disagree about Sean Lee, which is fine, but I can cite plenty of people with far more impressive credentials than you who do not think that Dallas reached with that pick.

I don't dispute that we got value, but they didn't address pressing needs. DE was not a need, and safety was not a need. I'm not sure why you seem convinced that Deon Grant suddenly can't start after 144 straight starts; he's good insurance in case Phillips can't play right away. Johnson might be cut, and so might Brown, but both are adequate bench players; Brown in particular is very good against the run, he just got exposed last year when asked to be an every down safety on a team that couldn't pressure the quarterback. Personally I'd like to keep him. That would give us 5 safeties if Phillips is healthy. That's absurd depth.
C.C. brown was cut a while ago when they signed grant

http://nygreporter.com/2010/04/02/ne...n-grant-added/

Phillips and Rolle are starters, coughlin said phillips is on track and if everything keeps up he should be good to go

Jones and Grant are the backups, and they keep johnson for depth

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C.C. brown was cut a while ago when they signed grant

http://nygreporter.com/2010/04/02/ne...n-grant-added/

Phillips and Rolle are starters, coughlin said phillips is on track and if everything keeps up he should be good to go

Jones and Grant are the backups, and they keep johnson for depth
Ah, I missed that. Good to know.

So if Johnson makes it out of camp with the team they'll still have 5 safeties.

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The former Holy Cross quarterback signed a free-agent contract with the New York Giants yesterday. He will join his new team for rookie minicamp next week.
http://www.telegram.com/article/2010...250589/0/local


Doubtful he ever gets much of a look, but it's still pretty cool.

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So you're saying that we should pass up on talent that could help us for the next 5-10 years because of what is needed this year, only? It's not like we're the Detroit Lions and investing all of our draft picks into WR. It's not like we're flooded with young DT's and safeties. It would be an absolutely horrible philosophy to force trades and make reach picks for the sole purposes of addressing positions.
People act like the only two options are draft for value or draft for need. As Reese has shown in the past, he's more than capable of doing both. Phillips, Nicks, Webster, Shockey, Manning...all picks that were good value AND addressed a serious need (and in Shockey and Manning's cases, examples of them trading up). I refuse to believe that we just happened to luck out to the point that the absolute best player available in all those years just happened to fit our biggest need at the time as well.

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I am going to go on record as saying the Packers got the steal of the draft with James Starks from Buffalo. The guy is a great all-around back. He can run and catch passes out of the back-field and is a good open field runner. He needs bulk-up a bit but he is going to be good. Would have been a 2nd round talent had he not gotten hurt last season.

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Doubtful he ever gets much of a look, but it's still pretty cool.
You went to HC?? What year? I was 2006.

Great to hear about Dom. I saw that they brought him in as one of their 30 allowed out-of-area workouts, and this is what I was hoping for since I figured they wouldn't want to use a pick on him. Here's hoping he surprises people and makes the roster in a couple years. Second chance for us Saders to root for one of our own in the pros. I was really disappointed with how Rissmiller panned out.

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Gang Green have signed a bunch of UDFAs so far.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2010/04/2...udfa-signings/

Most intriguing for me are Donovan Warren (CB) and TJ Raymond (NT).

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You went to HC?? What year? I was 2006.

Great to hear about Dom. I saw that they brought him in as one of their 30 allowed out-of-area workouts, and this is what I was hoping for since I figured they wouldn't want to use a pick on him. Here's hoping he surprises people and makes the roster in a couple years. Second chance for us Saders to root for one of our own in the pros. I was really disappointed with how Rissmiller panned out.
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There was buzz all around campus that something was going down with him. Pretty cool that he ended up with Big Blue. I think he's gonna surprise some people with his play. He's only ever gotten better and worked harder. Sader Nation will always have his back!

And re: Pissmiller ---

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Gang Green have signed a bunch of UDFAs so far.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2010/04/2...udfa-signings/

Most intriguing for me are Donovan Warren (CB) and TJ Raymond (NT).
Dude is a stud. He played at a great HS program in Southern California and was heavily recruited. He was grossly misused by Rich Rod at Michigan and went through the combines with a bad ankle or hamstring, I forget but it really hampered his performance. The last thing the Jets need is another solid defensive back, but this dude can play.

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04-26-2010, 10:35 AM
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Pats cut Adalius Thomas. I assume it's only a matter of time before he's wearing Green and White.

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Off-base from reality? So in your version of reality is our linebacking corps not ridiculously thin? We clearly disagree about Sean Lee, which is fine, but I can cite plenty of people with far more impressive credentials than you who do not think that Dallas reached with that pick.

I don't dispute that we got value, but they didn't address pressing needs. DE was not a need, and safety was not a need. I'm not sure why you seem convinced that Deon Grant suddenly can't start after 144 straight starts; he's good insurance in case Phillips can't play right away. Johnson might be cut, and so might Brown, but both are adequate bench players; Brown in particular is very good against the run, he just got exposed last year when asked to be an every down safety on a team that couldn't pressure the quarterback. Personally I'd like to keep him. That would give us 5 safeties if Phillips is healthy. That's absurd depth.
You are one of like 3 Giants fans I know of who are just obsessed over Sean Lee.

The kid will be a fine LB, but he's absolutely nothing special. Dillard is every bit as good as Lee. In fact, all the guys from the 2nd to the 4th are roughly equal to each other. There are no stars there -- only solid players. Why do you think we didn't pick a LB until then? They had them all ranked similarly (and I did as well -- and a number of other people did also) and didn't feel the need to pick one that early when they can focus on other needs like safety and DT.

Grant is an OK safety, but he was starting to falter in Seattle. Why do you think they let him go? Clearly, if he was still worthy of starting every game for them, they'd keep him. Jones is here for not only playing safety but for special teams. And lest me not remind you that our special teams sucked balls last year?

5 safeties isn't really "absurd depth". Teams tend to like to carry 3 or 4 safeties most of the time, anyway.

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04-26-2010, 11:52 AM
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Gang Green have signed a bunch of UDFAs so far.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2010/04/2...udfa-signings/

Most intriguing for me are Donovan Warren (CB) and TJ Raymond (NT).
saw that about Warren and am definately going to follow him closely. This could be a huge steal.

If I were Dwight Lowery I would be going to the safety meetings more frequently now. He might be in a good position to switch over and battle it out with Poole

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Yeah, Swipe Lowery's game is probably better suited to the S position anyway.

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Grant is an OK safety, but he was starting to falter in Seattle. Why do you think they let him go? Clearly, if he was still worthy of starting every game for them, they'd keep him. Jones is here for not only playing safety but for special teams. And lest me not remind you that our special teams sucked balls last year?
Well no, not really. He was cut because he was ridiculously overpaid in Seattle (cap hit was something like $5.5 million through 2012). They're taking advantage of the uncapped year to shed overpriced veterans, just like the Pats did with Thomas and the Jags with Henderson. It doesn't mean that he isn't capable of starting, it just means that he's not worthy of being one of the highest paid safeties in the league.


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Well no, not really. He was cut because he was ridiculously overpaid in Seattle (cap hit was something like $5.5 million through 2012). They're taking advantage of the uncapped year to shed overpriced veterans, just like the Pats did with Thomas and the Jags with Henderson. It doesn't mean that he isn't capable of starting, it just means that he's not worthy of being one of the highest paid safeties in the league.
The general opinion of Grant is that he's a solid vet back-up (hence why the Giants signed him to be a back-up). No more, no less. I watched him all last year. He's only a starter on a very poor team. If he starts for us this year, we have major problems.

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Pats cut Adalius Thomas. I assume it's only a matter of time before he's wearing Green and White.
I know Thomas has had success in Rex Ryan's system in Baltimore, but would he really be an upgrade over Bryan Thomas?

If we sign Adalius, Bryan would definitely be let loose.

Not sure if it's worth it.

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Maybe, it's a tough call. I like Bryan Thomas. But he has been a bit of an underachiever, and definitely inconsistent. Adalius is very versatile, and would have no issues playing both DE and LB. I think he'd be a worthy addition.

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http://www.thejetsblog.com/2010/04/2...need-the-plan/

Conflicting reports on the Jets' interest in AD. If I was a betting man, my money would be on AD in green and white come camp.

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Knowing how Rex loves certain players, I'd say so.

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Yeah, Swipe Lowery's game is probably better suited to the S position anyway.
hmmm... it appears that we were wrong. It looks as though Warren will be trying out for safety. Interesting.

http://www.thejetsblog.com/2010/04/2...ren-to-safety/

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I don't know enough about Warren to say whether he'd be better at S or CB, but it would be nice to have a cover safety back there alongside Leonhard.

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Stupid to convert Warren to safety. He'll be an undersized safety who has been screwed with his whole time in Michigan. What a great idea -- screw with the kid some more.

Warren should be a CB. I don't see him being a great safety, but he could potentially be a great CB.

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I have faith in the coaching staff, particularly DB-obsessed Rex Ryan, to make the right call.

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I have faith in the coaching staff, particularly DB-obsessed Rex Ryan, to make the right call.
I've watched almost every game the kid played in college. I do not think he works out as a safety. He has the potential to be a gamebreaking CB or an average safety.

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I've watched almost every game the kid played in college. I do not think he works out as a safety. He has the potential to be a gamebreaking CB or an average safety.
Totally disagree. I think he can be a very good NFL safety.

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