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05-10-2004, 12:08 AM
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I want to see the NHL adopt Shoot-outs

Would you like to see shoot-outs in the NHL?

I would because:
-It gives a winner at the end of the game
-Goal scoring is exciting
-Penalty Shots are so much fun
-Rewards pure skill players
-It doesn't take much time or risk serious injury
-More SportsCenter high lights
-Nobody outside hardcore hockey traditionalists would think it's a bad idea
-They do it international games, isn't that almost as important as the NHL regular season?

Those of you who wouldn't tell me why I'm wrong.

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Totally craps on the team concept of the game.

Other than that, I don't really have a problem with shootouts. Maybe I hate shootouts cause I'm a goalie

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While I do find it exciting, it seems to be the equivalent of having a homerun derby to settle a ball game. Hockey is a team sport and should probably be decided as such........

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While I do find it exciting, it seems to be the equivalent of having a homerun derby to settle a ball game. Hockey is a team sport and should probably be decided as such........
And I think they'd be a lot less excited if we saw them every other game.

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And I think they'd be a lot less excited if we saw them every other game.
Plus it would make OT quite boring on most teams who have noted snipers. They would just play "chip it out" hockey until the shootout starts.

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05-10-2004, 04:21 AM
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Anybody who thinks a shootout is a good idea for hockey thinks the following...

-Homerun derbys should be used to settle tied baseball games.
-Free throws should be used to decide tied basketball games.
-A field goal shootout should be used to decide football games.

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Anybody who thinks a shootout is a good idea for hockey thinks the following...

-Homerun derbys should be used to settle tied baseball games.
-Free throws should be used to decide tied basketball games.
-A field goal shootout should be used to decide football games.
-Penalty kicks should be used to decide soc... oh wait...
If it were ever implemented it would only ever be in the playoffs

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05-10-2004, 04:30 AM
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The difference is that there are no ties in these sports, there is always a winner. (Football's 1 tie every 10 years doesn't count)

Not so in hockey. There are some good anti-penalty shot arguments, that is not one of them.

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Poor idea. Simply because it gives the team that has a goalie thats good with penalties+good penalty takers such a huge advantage.

And I simply don't think those specific skills are important enough to reward a team that is strong in those areas 10-15 extra points a season.

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I think you can add 10-15 pts to the record of a team with an outstanding breakaway/penalty shot goalie as well. some guys like Kolzig never give them up and a breakaway is that last option you would choose.

I favor increasing the OT to ten minutes and removing the point for a tie or an overtime loss. Only a win earns standings points. The games have been shortened to the point that five minutes can be added easily to the OT period.
Referees should be encouraged to call the OT period tightly and adding more 4 on 3 power plays to the OT.

Presenting points for wins only will encourage teams to try harder to win games late in regulation and OT. fewest losses and fewest regulation losses will be the first tie breaker for standings position. Otherwise ties are worthless and should be avoided.

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05-10-2004, 07:12 AM
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Why not just eliminate regular season overtime? If you tie at the end of 60 minutes, then I think both teams have earned a point. This one point for an overtime loss is garbage too. Why reward a team that looses the game?

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I would like to see the shoot outs which I think will make the game more exciting and there will be a winner and a loser for every game instead of the dumb ties. I never liked the ties. I think it is a total waste that these players come out night in and night out and play hard and to end up in a tie is kind of disappointing. There should be a winner and a loser and the shootout I was always for...

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I am opposed to the idea of shoot-outs in the NHL. I personally think that it is too lacking of tradition.

I would accept it in some minor league, but not in the National Hockey League.

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shoot-outs are not as exciting as in game action - like breakaways, 2-on-1s off of turnovers...i think shoot-outs are over-hyped. Also, how often do you see the shoot-out penalty shot just not even be creative. I think it's like the Slam Dunk contest in basketball...yeah, cool to watch, but after a while you stop seeing many NEW slams...so it gets boring.

That being said - i hate the idea. A 5 minute OT period with 5 on 5 is hockey.

If you want to eliminate ties...make everything money driven. If a team wins a game every player on the team gets $$$ - the losing team gets nothing. A tie and neither team gets anything.

Make all salaries based on wins.

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05-10-2004, 10:04 AM
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We've had shootouts for a few years here in europe. Some like it, others dont. Personally I think it got old really quick an I don't think it's a fair way to decide a game.

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I've got a somewhat controversial take on regular season OT, if there is no winner of the game, no points are awarded, period. Actually it goes to basing the standings on wins soley, which is kind of interesting if you look at it.

There is a philosophy to "not lose" hockey games in the league today, and that is why we are seeing so many ties and the style of play in OT.

If two teams tie, nothing has been settled, so why not reward teams who can finish off their opponents. The OT period, whatever length you choose -- 10 minutes might be better given the increased value of the game, would be there to give the teams a second chance to finish it off.

I think it'd change the whole mindset in certain regard, because teams would essentially be losing if they don't outright win the game.

When it comes to the standings and even playoff seedings, teams that win should take priority of teams that don't lose in my opinion. It would make the standings as simple as you could get too.

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05-10-2004, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by maximil
Would you like to see shoot-outs in the NHL?

I would because:
-It gives a winner at the end of the game
-Goal scoring is exciting
-Penalty Shots are so much fun
-Rewards pure skill players
-It doesn't take much time or risk serious injury
-More SportsCenter high lights
-Nobody outside hardcore hockey traditionalists would think it's a bad idea
-They do it international games, isn't that almost as important as the NHL regular season?

Those of you who wouldn't tell me why I'm wrong.
-winner at the end is nice, when it is decided by the team.
-so are great saves
-no they are not
-there arent enough pure skill players to reward
-who cares about the time
-who cares about sports center shoot out number 1200 highlights?
-i'm not a hardcore hockey traditionalist
-i dont want to watch international games, i want to watch nhl games

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05-10-2004, 05:40 PM
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I wouldn't like to because when I was little we had an IHL team in Atlanta and it was always really upsetting to see the team play so well but lose just because of a shootout. I hated the idea then and I hate it now. It just seems like a cheap way to win to me.

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The difference is that there are no ties in these sports, there is always a winner. (Football's 1 tie every 10 years doesn't count)

Not so in hockey. There are some good anti-penalty shot arguments, that is not one of them.
Yes it is.

In the sports I mentioned, while there may be no ties, the team decides the winner in every game. Shootouts are equivalent to homerun derbys, free throws, etc.

So there are ties in hockey. What is the problem? It has always been part of the game. Rewarding individual skill instead of team play is not.

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05-10-2004, 05:56 PM
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How about this? Have a shootout at the beginning of the game, with the winning team getting "half a goal". No-one would show up late for games, and the intensity would be ratcheted up right off the bat

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05-10-2004, 07:43 PM
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Big Picture - I think shootouts would be good for the game.

While I am indifferent myself because I love the game as it is - shootouts are great for the casual fan. They eliminate the need to play for a tie and provide some more goal scoring of which the so-called "critics" claim the game no longer possesses. If shootouts bring out more crowds and relieve some of the perceived "lack of offense" in the game then I guess I am for it.

Of course, any goals, saves, shots, etc generated from the shootout should not count on the stats sheet and a five min 4 on 4 should be played prior to any shootout.

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i'd like shootouts in the regular season after a standard 5 minute overtime. if it's just for the extra point, why not? it's exciting for the fans and would be really exciting.
it should not be adopted in the playoffs though. there is too much at stake obviously and the teams should decide the game.

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05-10-2004, 07:58 PM
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i'd like shootouts in the regular season after a standard 5 minute overtime. if it's just for the extra point, why not? it's exciting for the fans and would be really exciting.
it should not be adopted in the playoffs though. there is too much at stake obviously and the teams should decide the game.
I agree - definitely no shootouts in the playoffs.

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While it is exciting, it's the worst way to end a game. Hockey is a team sport and shootouts are not. It's just a horrible way to decide who wins. Teams would just try and get the best shootout players they could and it would take away from the real focus.

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No shoot-out. Hockey is a teamsport and shoot-out turns it into sport of individuals.

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