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05-01-2010, 02:07 PM
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Russian Top 6: Best in the Tournament, Again?

Does Russia have the best top 6 forwards in the tournament again?
Also, what will this top 6 look like?

I think Bykov should go with:

Ovechkin-Fedorov-Radulov
Kovalchuk-Tereschenko-Semin


for Russia, only because Semin has been playing so poorly. But I think he will go with is:

Ovechkin-Fedorov-Semin
Kovalchuk-Tereschenko-Radulov


What is the best possible top 6 in this tournament? Thoughts?

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Frolov could also be used on the second line. Russia will likely win this tournament, but it's a pretty meaningless thing. I will be very happy if Canada won, but I won't be disappointed if things go wrong.

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On paper maybe, but no.
See Olympic results...

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Yes, they are a proven group that has been successful in previous WHC where the competition has more gaps in their line-ups. Unlike the Olympics there will be no Weber, Pronger, Doughty making life difficult in the offensive zone and no Nash, Richards, Toews backchecking to pressure them into turnovers.

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I know this will not go over well but this thread is bothering me. It is nice to know that Laich, Ovechkin and Semin took that loss so hard.

Russia will easily win this unless they decide not to show up or a goalie steps up and steals a game like the Russia goalie did in the Gold Medal game last year.

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Top-4 wingers for sure but Tereshenko and Fedorov are not dynamic offensively.

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I know this will not go over well but this thread is bothering me. It is nice to know that Laich, Ovechkin and Semin took that loss so hard.
I'm confused, are you insinuating that deciding to play for their countries after their NHL team was eliminated means they weren't very upset?Maybe you should watch Ovechkin's interview right after. He was acting pretty upset if you ask me. Anyways, if they sat at home sulking and crying, does it reverse the flow of time, so the Caps can play game 7 again or what?

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Instead of posting something I do not care about you should have replied with who the Russia goalie was last year. That I would actually care to know.

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Top-4 wingers for sure but Tereshenko and Fedorov are not dynamic offensively.
I agree their centers are not elite anymore (never had been in the case of tereschenko).

Despite this, do you see any other nation rivaling them in this regard?

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Instead of posting something I do not care about you should have replied with who the Russia goalie was last year. That I would actually care to know.
The same one who should have been Russia's starter at the Olympics.

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Canada could of had better top 6:
Nash
Staal
Getzlaf
Lecavalier
St. Louis
Iginla
Richards
Spezza
Doan

But none of these guys are showing up. And all of Russia's best players are going. Should be an interesting tournament.

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Russian Olympic disaster was because of poor coaching and preparation...not because other teams had better talent.
Many players even hinted at the fact how poor the coaching and gameplanning was.

I hope Bykov/Zakharkin cut the arrogance act, and have their **** together this time.


Lines I'd like to see:

Ovechkin - Fedorov - Semin
Kovalchuk - Tereschenko - Kulemin
Frolov - Gorovikov - Radulov
Mozyakin - Anisimov - Afinogenov

Too bad all of ZZM are injured.

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Russian Olympic disaster was because of poor coaching and preparation...not because other teams had better talent.
...along with the lack of backchecking, too many neutral zone turnovers, and poor defensive awareness of the superstar wingers, none which had anything to do with coaching or preparation. Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin, and Semin were pressured from the drop of the puck and they wilted under the constant puck pressure. When they made mistakes Canada quickly transitioned the puck and these same players made little effort to prevent an extra Canadian player from getting open in the Russian defensive zone. Perhaps the best examples were the Nash, Perry, and Weber goals.


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Both of you forgot to mention the massive choke-job Nabokov pulled.

Anyway, moving on from the Olympics, lets keep this thread on topic.

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thats easily the best top-6, easy to see that they want compensation for the olympics and for their play-off fail...they will win it again

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Russian Olympic disaster was because of poor coaching and preparation...not because other teams had better talent.
If you keep telling yourself this, you will actually start to believe it is true.

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Both of you forgot to mention the massive choke-job Nabokov pulled.

Anyway, moving on from the Olympics, lets keep this thread on topic.
I believe my point was on topic. Yes, the top-6 Russian forwards you listed are as good as one could expect during an Olympic year WHC. They will dominate the upcoming tournament because unlike the Olympics they are not facing rosters full of elite level players that can take advantage of the offense orientated Russian players deficiencies.

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Kovalchuk and Ovechkin will perform very well.

However, I have my doubts about Semin based on his performance in the playoffs. He looks like he's he's on a cold streak or might even be nursing an injury.

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If Sweden has these guys...

Nick Backstrom
Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Zetterberg
Daniel Alfredsson
Loui Eriksson
Mikael Samuelsson
Johan Franzen
Patric Hörnqvist


I think Russia's forwards are highly overrated. I prefer Backstrom, Sedins and Zetterberg over all Russian forwards not named Ovechkin.

To this tournament, yes Russia will have the best top 6. But some of Sweden's biggest stars are in the SC play-off. Maybe there's a reason to why the swedish stars still are in SC play-offs. They are really a force for their teams unlike some Russian forwards. Still can anyone explain for me what Kovalchuk and Semin did in the SC play-offs?? Not much right?

Again? What again?? I don't think the Russians forwards was that much better than the Swedes in the olympics.

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...along with the lack of backchecking, too many neutral zone turnovers, and poor defensive awareness of the superstar wingers, none which had anything to do with coaching or preparation. Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin, and Semin were pressured from the drop of the puck and they wilted under the constant puck pressure. When they made mistakes Canada quickly transitioned the puck and these same players made little effort to prevent an extra Canadian player from getting open in the Russian defensive zone. Perhaps the best examples were the Nash, Perry, and Weber goals.

Russia has no deficiencies that proper tactics and game preparation can not shore-up.
Remember, the team played disorganized and haphazard from the start....even against lesser skill teams and teams that didn't pressure 'Canadian style'. The last 2 Russian WC teams could've beaten that olympic squad.

The Olympics was an embarrassment but had nothing to do with being out-talented. It came down to a total absence of coaching, preparation and (to an extent) heart; ironically, the exact elements that pushed Canada over the top.

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I wonder how many cameras Ovechkin will shove if Russia loses this tournament? They really have no excuse if they don't win Gold.

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Russian Olympic disaster was because of poor coaching and preparation...not because other teams had better talent.

Many players even hinted at the fact how poor the coaching and gameplanning was.
Yeah, I wonder why that would be?

There was nothing but love and admiration for how great the coach was going into the tournament. He had won two World Championships and blah blah blah.

You can keep trying to convince yourself that it was all the coaching and preparation, but nobody else is buying it.

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You can keep trying to convince yourself that it was all the coaching and preparation, but nobody else is buying it.
Nobody is saying it was all coaching, but it was the biggest reason.

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Russian Olympic disaster was because of poor coaching and preparation...not because other teams had better talent.
Many players even hinted at the fact how poor the coaching and gameplanning was.

I hope Bykov/Zakharkin cut the arrogance act, and have their **** together this time.
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Nobody is saying it was all coaching, but it was the biggest reason.
Yeah, nobody at all?

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Its pretty much a must-win situation for Russia..

If they don't go home with the gold, Bykov is out. Even with the gold he might get sacked.

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