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Russian Top 6: Best in the Tournament, Again?

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05-02-2010, 11:04 AM
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Headline should read:

Non-playoff performers head-up an All Star World Championship roster for Russia.

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05-02-2010, 12:22 PM
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Non-playoff performers head-up an All Star World Championship roster for Russia.
Parise and Brodeur are playing for Russia this year?

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05-02-2010, 12:47 PM
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Parise and Brodeur are playing for Russia this year?
You're right, our 38 year old backup goalie is not at the tournament.

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05-03-2010, 12:50 AM
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I would say no. Canada will win this. We all know it. They have the best top 6.

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05-03-2010, 01:43 AM
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Russia hasn't been this favored since the days of the Soviet Union.

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Really hoping Kulemin has a good showing, he's deserved this opportunity. He might be one of the better defensive guys Russia has.

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05-03-2010, 02:32 AM
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If Sweden has these guys...

Nick Backstrom
Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
Henrik Zetterberg
Daniel Alfredsson
Loui Eriksson
Mikael Samuelsson
Johan Franzen
Patric Hörnqvist


I think Russia's forwards are highly overrated. I prefer Backstrom, Sedins and Zetterberg over all Russian forwards not named Ovechkin.

To this tournament, yes Russia will have the best top 6. But some of Sweden's biggest stars are in the SC play-off. Maybe there's a reason to why the swedish stars still are in SC play-offs. They are really a force for their teams unlike some Russian forwards. Still can anyone explain for me what Kovalchuk and Semin did in the SC play-offs?? Not much right?

Again? What again?? I don't think the Russians forwards was that much better than the Swedes in the olympics.
i prefere Ovechkin , Malkin, Datsyuk and Kovalchuk ahead of every single sweden forward 7 days a week.

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05-03-2010, 11:05 AM
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i prefere Ovechkin , Malkin, Datsyuk and Kovalchuk ahead of every single sweden forward 7 days a week.

Ohh so you prefer Kovalchuk over the Art Ross winner and his amazing twin? Malkin has been godawful this year! Sorry but the Russian forwards are highly overrated! Can you explain for me what Kovalchuk has done to take him over H. Sedin? We are talking about a potential Hart winner! Sweden's forwards hands down! Also Kovakchuk over Backstrom?? OMG I prefer Backstrom over Malkin any day of the week!

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05-03-2010, 11:37 AM
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Ohh so you prefer Kovalchuk over the Art Ross winner and his amazing twin? Malkin has been godawful this year! Sorry but the Russian forwards are highly overrated! Can you explain for me what Kovalchuk has done to take him over H. Sedin? We are talking about a potential Hart winner! Sweden's forwards hands down! Also Kovakchuk over Backstrom?? OMG I prefer Backstrom over Malkin any day of the week!
can i remind you where were your "amazing" twins last year and years before? Backstrom over Malkin? only in your wet..... maybe but nothing else. do i have to remind you who were the best player in last year regulars and in playoffs?? he was able to get 1.17 ppg even on his "awful" year so what can i say? OH MY GOD

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Canada could of had better top 6:
Nash
Staal
Getzlaf
Lecavalier
St. Louis
Iginla
Richards
Spezza
Doan

But none of these guys are showing up. And all of Russia's best players are going. Should be an interesting tournament.
This.

I realize it was an Olympic year but Canada could have been so much better. Oh well.

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05-03-2010, 02:26 PM
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Does Russia have the best top 6 forwards in the tournament again?
Also, what will this top 6 look like?

I think Bykov should go with:

Ovechkin-Fedorov-Radulov
Kovalchuk-Tereschenko-Semin


for Russia, only because Semin has been playing so poorly. But I think he will go with is:

Ovechkin-Fedorov-Semin
Kovalchuk-Tereschenko-Radulov


What is the best possible top 6 in this tournament? Thoughts?
its possible, but their bottom 6 and D will lose it for them so its a mute point

and for what its worth, Id take stamkos over all of them except OV... and its likely canadas worst center would be russia's best

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05-03-2010, 02:28 PM
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probably, but do the Worlds really matter when it's an Olympic Year ?

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05-03-2010, 02:33 PM
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Yeah, Russia looks poised for a 3rd straight.

Good on their stars for answering the call from their country. A lot of Canadians wanted no part of this tourny. Some have valid reasons, some not so much.

It'd be a disaster if Russia didn't win this.

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I think the term "most skilled" is better used in this case.

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Yeah, I wonder why that would be?

There was nothing but love and admiration for how great the coach was going into the tournament. He had won two World Championships and blah blah blah.

You can keep trying to convince yourself that it was all the coaching and preparation, but nobody else is buying it.
I was wondering why the coach wasn't adjusting anything in terms of lines or plays or even talking much to his players when Russia wasn't playing well or losing.

Kept wondering why the team as a whole was very slow and looked ill prepared.

I don't think it had anything to do with coaching and preperation however.
I'm pretty sure Semin is 100% to blame for the entire Olympics.
him and his flailing fighting tactics.

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05-03-2010, 07:34 PM
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I will be extremely interested in how Ilya Kovalchuk performs.

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I will be extremely interested in how Ilya Kovalchuk performs.
I'm waiting with baited breath to see if they get competant coaching myself.

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I will be extremely interested in how Ilya Kovalchuk performs.
he did OK in the playoffs.
best devil for the most part in that series.
... which I still can't believe they lost.. so easily.

and he was the MVP last year right?
it will be interesting to see.
playing for a contract prehaps!

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05-03-2010, 08:48 PM
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I was wondering why the coach wasn't adjusting anything in terms of lines or plays or even talking much to his players when Russia wasn't playing well or losing.

Kept wondering why the team as a whole was very slow and looked ill prepared.

I don't think it had anything to do with coaching and preperation however.
I'm pretty sure Semin is 100% to blame for the entire Olympics.
him and his flailing fighting tactics.
I kept wondering why they chose to use a bunch of KHLers?

Was it because they thought they were good enough (they weren't); or was it because they were so cocky about their top 6 forwards, they thought they could make a statement by just throwing in a bunch of guys from "their" league and still win?

Ignoring the fact that their defence was probably what cost them any chance at winning, and that weakness was not exactly a secret going in.

Hardly all the coaches fault. They made many mistakes, and coaching was just one of them.

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he did OK in the playoffs.
best devil for the most part in that series.
... which I still can't believe they lost.. so easily.

and he was the MVP last year right?
it will be interesting to see.
playing for a contract prehaps!
he better learn to play net too if he thinks he is getting 10 million a year from an NHL team. maybe he will sign in the KHL?

Russia will likely have the best wingers, but center is the most important forward position. But Russia's elite wingers against what will be mostly 2nd tier defensemen should be an advantage. The same question for Russia is will they be able to keep the puck out of their net?

I would say Russia is probably the favorite, Canada is sending a very young team and the other major hockey countries are sending their B teams as well. It is just not on the same level as best on best.

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I kept wondering why they chose to use a bunch of KHLers?

Was it because they thought they were good enough (they weren't); or was it because they were so cocky about their top 6 forwards, they thought they could make a statement by just throwing in a bunch of guys from "their" league and still win?

Ignoring the fact that their defence was probably what cost them any chance at winning, and that weakness was not exactly a secret going in.

Hardly all the coaches fault. They made many mistakes, and coaching was just one of them.

KHLers?

Start to finish, ZZM was Russia's the most consistent line. And KHLer Korneev was the best overall defenseman.

Russia's biggest problem was not team selection, it was:
1. Lack of cohesion amongst 'top 6'
2. Lack of coaching adjustments to what opponents were doing.
3. Failure to use the right players in the right situations.

80% of Russia's failure was coaching incompetence. After 2 WC gold's, Bykov/Zakharkin became too arrogant and self-assured.....and their ignorance of NA style hockey became painfully obvious (Afinogenov on the PK? Really?).
Christ, even Bykov's shoot-out selection was a joke (kept using Ovechkin vs Slovakia).


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I kept wondering why they chose to use a bunch of KHLers?

Was it because they thought they were good enough (they weren't); or was it because they were so cocky about their top 6 forwards, they thought they could make a statement by just throwing in a bunch of guys from "their" league and still win?

Ignoring the fact that their defence was probably what cost them any chance at winning, and that weakness was not exactly a secret going in.

Hardly all the coaches fault. They made many mistakes, and coaching was just one of them.
you dont have any idea what you talking about! KHL hater on the podium! what will he do?? what will he do?? just bashing KHL. simple is that

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80% of Russia's failure was coaching incompetence. After 2 WC gold's, Bykov/Zakharkin became too arrogant and self-assured.....and their ignorance of NA style hockey became painfully obvious (Afinogenov on the PK? Really?).
Christ, even Bykov's shoot-out selection was a joke (kept using Ovechkin vs Slovakia).
Add "Canada is easy to 'read'" to the list.

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Canada could of had better top 6:
Nash
Staal
Getzlaf
Lecavalier
St. Louis
Iginla
Richards
Spezza
Doan

But none of these guys are showing up. And all of Russia's best players are going. Should be an interesting tournament.
Finland could have had Jesus, Buddha, Moses, Joseph Smith, Krishna, Lao Tzu, Muhammad and Sea Man. Imagine that top-6!

I don't get it when in international tournaments, so many fans (especially Canadians) have the need to post all the guys they could've-should've had. The tournaments are about who are playing, not who aren't playing.

And yes, Russia does have the best top-6 in the tournament.

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If Russia doesn't win gold at the WC they will be the laughing stock of the hockey community.

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