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05-06-2010, 10:25 AM
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Don't think about it. GBC called the winner of the other semifinal the eventual champ when I first won the ATD. Obviously, I didn't get his vote, but won anyway. I'm not even a voter in this thing anymore, so don't worry about my opinion.
Yeah, but I think you got mine which would have split our team's vote!

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Also, if it is unfair to Gadsby to say that he is not at Salming level defensively because it is pure conjecture, is it not as unfair to Salming to say he was based on pure conjecture?

In a case like this, I think you give Salming the benefit of the doubt as, IMO, there would be a lot more written about Gadsby's defensive prowess if it was at Salming's level.

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05-06-2010, 02:09 PM
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Also, if it is unfair to Gadsby to say that he is not at Salming level defensively because it is pure conjecture, is it not as unfair to Salming to say he was based on pure conjecture?

In a case like this, I think you give Salming the benefit of the doubt as, IMO, there would be a lot more written about Gadsby's defensive prowess if it was at Salming's level.
That's what I was trying to say in my vodka-addled posts yesterday.
Apparently we celebrated Cinco De Mayo in Brooklyn with bad Norwegian vodka. I don't know why.

Salming's profiles rave about his defensive play (and some of us here actually saw him). Whereas Gadsby's profiles all rave about his offense, physical play, and fearlessness, and then sometimes add "oh and he took care of his own end too."

Salming's adjusted plus/minus is incredible (one of the best ever), but part of that is a function of playing on an awful team - the Ballard-era Leafs.

I think they are very close overall.

Just like Blake/Chara are very close with a small edge to Blake due to playoffs.

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I also can't believe TDMM has conceded equal career value to Chara vs. Blake.

- Blake is now 40 and playing very well, and for pretty big minutes too. Chara is just 32.

- You can "add up" their norris finishes and say they look even (and based on those, they might, but Blake faced some tougher competition during some of his best years but I don't want to get into that) but it completely ignores that Blake has had 11 other seasons as a (at least) very good NHL defenseman. Chara simply has not accumulated that career value yet, plus he had a few seasons at the start where he was clumsy and feeling his way around the NHL. Those seasons add nothing to his case. A young Blake was rather impressive, and was touted as a future Norris winner.

Just match up their best seasons to eachother, and 2nd-best, and 3rd-best, and so on, and they may look almost even, but whose 7th-best season is better? and 8th? And 13th?
Honestly, I didn't want to get into the defense in detail because I think these two teams have defenses that are fairly similar quality.

I only conceded that the two have had an equal regular season peak so far. Blake has had a couple of great playoffs, which Chara has never had, which adds to his his value so far. Chara's playoff performances in Ottawa were the reason the Senators chose to keep Wade Redden over him.

(And then your point about Blake adding very good, but not elite, seasons after his prime).


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05-06-2010, 02:35 PM
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NJ's game plan

1. Hit Alexander Maltsev hard and often to reduce his ability to create plays for Inglewood's 2nd line

-Maltsev is the key to cracking Inglewood's 2nd line. He is the primary playmaker of the line. Mikhailov dangled at times, but his bread and butter was scoring goals from the slot, something he needs a playmaker to do. Paul Thompson is an okay playmaker (4, 7, 10 in assists), but Maltsev is definitely the primary playmaker of the line.

-Maltsev has a history of fading when he is abused physically (See Post 6 above).

-NJ has a group of very physical, mobile defensemen.
All the starting 6 but Engblom are very physical. Of those 5, only Terrible Ted Green isn't known for his mobility (though I never saw anything about him being slow either). Salming is very fast and almost as dirty; Blake is a great open ice hitter known for his mobility; Siebert is a strong, tough, and a good skater; "Battleship" Leduc was known for his skating and hitting.

-In the last series, NJ gave the 2nd pair almost equal ice time with the first, since Minnesota wasn't particularly fast past the first line. Here, Salming will play for 30 minutes per game and Blake for almost as much. Their mobility and physical play is key to slowing down Inglewood's scoring lines (especially Maltsev).

-Inglewood appears to lack a policeman on the line to protect Maltsev. Mikhailov was gritty and sometimes dirty apparently, but not really a policeman type I believe. He was also Maltsev's actual linemate at the beginning of the Summit Series, when Maltsev actually did fade because of physical play.

2. Get Martinec/Savard out there against the much slower Zdeno Chara.


Sturm alluded to this earlier, but I already had the idea.

-Chara's biggest strength is his physical size and strength. He's one of the few defensemen in this who won't be overpowered by Howe, though he doesn't have the skating ability of Howe and Busher Jackons (both of whom were quite fast).

-More importantly, Chara historically struggles against smaller, quicker forwards, especially in the playoffs. Even small, tricky forwards who aren't that talented otherwise have burned Chara in the playoffs.

-Martinec and Savard are among the fastest, trickiest forwards in the ATD. I expect them to burn the slower skating Chara in transition a couple of times per game if they are out there against him with regularity. Then it's up to Lumley to make the save.

-Chara also has a tendency for getting really wrapped up in the physical game, perhaps too much sometimes. If he and Tkachuk get into shoving matches, it only opens up room for Martinec and Savard.

-Gadsby was a very good skater himself. But if he has to hang back a bit to cover for Chara's lack of footspeed, it neuters his offense somewhat.

3. Try to get Gordie Howe out there against Inglewood's 4th line

-Inglewood's 4th line is one of the better 4th scoring lines in the draft, but it isn't anything special defensively.

-Pat Quinn doesn't like to linematch, so NJ should be able to get our 1st line out there against Inglewood's 4th a couple of times per game.

-Doubleshifting Howe on NJ's 4th line also makes it easier to get him out there against Inglewood's 4th line

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05-06-2010, 11:28 PM
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Hey guys, sorry I've been MIA up til now. I've had a very eventful life over the last couple days.

Firstly, I'd like to move my forwards around a bit again. Like last time, I'll go with:

Dickie Moore (A) - Peter Stastny - Bernie Geoffrion
Paul Thompson - Alexander Maltsev - Boris Mikhailov (C)
Claude Provost - Ken Mosdell - Jimmy Peters
Vincent Damphousse - Henrik Sedin - Johnny Sorrell


I just think this keeps Howe from seeing an easy matchup against any of my top-9. He's obviously the go-to guy for NJ, and against Moore, Thompson, and Provost he'll have to work for everything he gets.


My quick take on the forwards before I have to go:

Obviously Gordie Howe is the best player in this series. Geoffrion is no Howe, but the difference wasn't as big in the playoffs as in the regular season. Geoffrion was an absolutely dominant playoff performer. 8 consecutive double-digit playoffs in, and he led the 1950's in playoff scoring by a mile (Moore was second).

Outside of that matchup, I think I have the advantage throughout the rest of the top-6. I don't see Moore-Jackson and Maltsev-Savard as any worse than a wash, and I think Stastny, Thompson, and Mikhailov are a clear step up from Abel, Tkachuk, Martinec.

Again, I don't have a ton of time, but I'd like to wish my opponent the best of luck. New Jersey is an excellent squad, and I figured we'd meet up at some point.

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05-07-2010, 02:02 PM
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Agree that Thompson is a clear step up from Tkachuk. Mihkailov is about equal in offensive value to Martinec, but he brings a lot more than offense, so he's a clear step up in that way.

I'm not sure Stastny is a clear step up from Abel.

Stastny Points finishes: 2,* 3, 4, 5, 6, 6

Abel Points finishes: 2, 3, 4**, 5, 7**

*To Gretzky, so basically 1. Actually, all of these finishes were behind Gretzky.
** Likely inflated by Gordie Howe's peak. Howe's first Art Ross was in 50-51 and he won by 20 points!

Abel isn't Delvecchio who played his entire career with Gordie Howe and never finished higher than 4th in scoring. Abel's 5th place finish was before he went to fight in World War 2 - Howe wasn't yet in the league. Abel's 2nd and 3rd were on the Production Line, but before a young Howe had distinguished himself as the best player on the line.

Stastny was still in the Czech Republic for a few productive years of his career (where he wasn't anything special compared to Martinec from a few years earlier by the way ). But Abel lost some prime years to WW2.

Stastny was clearly the better playmaker, Abel was a more-rounded offensive player. Abel actually led the league in goals once, whereas Stastny was never Top 10 in goals.

Stastny was definitely more productive pointswise, but the gap really isn't that big. Given Abel's better defensive play and intangibles, I think they are almost even overall.

And if someone believes in a "chemistry boost" for the ATD, Abel is playing with his actual regular linemate of a few years - Gordie Howe. Inglewood has Moore and Geoffrion playing on the same line, but I believe they only played together on the PP in Montreal, so I'm not sure if they would get much of a boost.


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05-07-2010, 02:10 PM
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I have a lot of respect for Geoffrion's playoff performances. I think Dickie Moore is a bit overrated by history - he really did almost nothing outside of the dynasty years and I see him as very comparable to Forsberg with the high peak, overall play, and injury problems). While Moore was definitely very good in the playoffs, he was also usually outscored by his teammates in the playoffs.

But Geoffrion had a long career and was always a great playoff player.

A couple of things though:

1) Gordie Howe is definitely the better playoff player. Maybe he didn't raise his game in the playoffs (maybe), but when you're as good as Howe or Mario Lemieux, it's pretty hard to raise your game above what it already was. Howe is tied with Gretzky for the record of leading the playoffs in scoring 6 times.

2) Geoffrion, for all his great playoffs, was never the best player on his actual NHL team, like he is here on Inglewood. Opposing defenses always had either Maurice Richard (on a different line often with Dickie Moore) or Jean Beliveau (usually centering Geoffrion) to focus on. In the late 50s, both were on the team!

Here, Geoffrion is the Inglewood's best player. It means he'll have less room than he actually did in the NHL.


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Provost on the left side

It seems a lot of teams in this ATD are trying wingers on their off wings. I'm not sure how effective Claude Provost will be on the left side.

Provost actually played at the same time as Howe, and as far as I know, was never moved to the left side to match up against him. In the mid 60s, the Canadiens used Gilles Tremblay - a solid, but unspectacular, two-way LW to match up against Howe. If Provost was nearly as effective on the left side as he was on the right side, I would think that the great coach Toe Blake would have used him there when actually facing Gordie Howe.

Provost is probably a better option to match up against Howe than any of the weaker lower line LWs Inglewood has. But his effectiveness is definitely reduced playing on the wrong side. On the right side, Provost is the best player on either 3rd line. On the left side, he's probably no more effective than NJ's own Don Marshall.

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Again, I don't have a ton of time, but I'd like to wish my opponent the best of luck. New Jersey is an excellent squad, and I figured we'd meet up at some point.
Likewise. I'm not surprised that NJ's path to the final goes through Inglewood.

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05-07-2010, 02:43 PM
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Agree that Thompson is a clear step up from Tkachuk. Mihkailov is about equal in offensive value to Martinec, but he brings a lot more than offense, so he's a clear step up in that way.

I'm not sure Stastny is a clear step up from Abel.

Stastny Points finishes: 2,* 3, 4, 5, 6, 6

Abel Points finishes: 2, 3, 4**, 5, 7**

*To Gretzky, so basically 1. Actually, all of these finishes were behind Gretzky.
** Likely inflated by Gordie Howe's peak. Howe's first Art Ross was in 50-51 and he won by 20 points!

Abel isn't Delvecchio who played his entire career with Gordie Howe and never finished higher than 4th in scoring. Abel's 5th place finish was before he went to fight in World War 2 - Howe wasn't yet in the league. Abel's 2nd and 3rd were on the Production Line, but before a young Howe had distinguished himself as the best player on the line.

Stastny was still in the Czech Republic for a few productive years of his career (where he wasn't anything special compared to Martinec from a few years earlier by the way ). But Abel lost some prime years to WW2.

Stastny was clearly the better playmaker, Abel was a more-rounded offensive player. Abel actually led the league in goals once, whereas Stastny was never Top 10 in goals.

Stastny was definitely more productive pointswise, but the gap really isn't that big. Given Abel's better defensive play and intangibles, I think they are almost even overall.

And if someone believes in a "chemistry boost" for the ATD, Abel is playing with his actual regular linemate of a few years - Gordie Howe. Inglewood has Moore and Geoffrion playing on the same line, but I believe they only played together on the PP in Montreal, so I'm not sure if they would get much of a boost.
I think those numbers you just posted prove that the offensve gap between Stasny and Abel IS wide. The fact that he is better based on rankings after being in a league 3-4 times the size is impressive enough; percentages would tell a better tale.

Losing prime years to the war is a good excuse for players who were elite directly before and after it. Abel was not a top-10 scorer in 1947 or 1948. He was good, but not great, at that time.

Also, not sure if you knew, but Stastny was 11th in goals three times, often behind Gretzky and two other Oilers who may/may not have been top-10 without him. He was a pretty damned good goalscorer.

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I think those numbers you just posted prove that the offensve gap between Stasny and Abel IS wide. The fact that he is better based on rankings after being in a league 3-4 times the size is impressive enough; percentages would tell a better tale.

Losing prime years to the war is a good excuse for players who were elite directly before and after it. Abel was not a top-10 scorer in 1947 or 1948. He was good, but not great, at that time.

Also, not sure if you knew, but Stastny was 11th in goals three times, often behind Gretzky and two other Oilers who may/may not have been top-10 without him. He was a pretty damned good goalscorer.
On the other hand, Abel with 5th in points in 41-42, the last year before the war. Maybe he had trouble getting back up to speed after taking a few years off?

Abel doesn't have as strong a war case as Schmidt or Apps, but he definitely lost some good years to the war.

I didn't know about Stastny's 11, 11, 11 in goals, but it isn't close to Abel's 1, 3, 7 in goals (without looking past Top 10s).

Actually, this is a case where looking at Top 10s for goals and assists seperately and without context would help my player.

Abel goals: 1, 3, 7
Stastny goals: none*
Abel assists: 3, 3, 5, 5, 5, 5, 7, 10
Stastny assists: 2, 3, 4, 4, 6, 6, 9

*But 11th 3 times apparently.

Abel was 10, 3 in assists in 40-41 and 41-42, then 7, 5, 5, 3, 5, 5, in consecutive years starting in 46-47. So I think it's fair to say that he would have at least been a top 10 playmaker for the war years he missed.

Edit: Apparently Abel did play the whole 42-43 season. Not sure what happened there. 46-47 was his first year back, though (he played 7 games in 45-46).

Double Edit: Stastny was definitely the better offensive player, but I think Abel's offensive prime does tend to get underrated. He really only had two Howe-inflated seasons in all likelihood. I looked at him and Delvecchio both closely after I drafted Howe and I think Abel was clearly better, once I took context into account.


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Here's some stuff on Liapkin, I really believe he should play in this series at least as a PP specialist.

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Yuri Lyapkin
6'0, 182 lbs.

- USSR Gold (1): 1976
- WC Gold: 1971, 1973-1975
- Olympics Gold: 1976
- Played in the Summit Series 72, Superseries 75-76, 76-77, 78-79

- 246 points (168-78) in 515 RSL games
- top-10 in points in the Russian league among defensemen: 1T, 1T, 1T, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2T, 2, 3, 5

Ok.. this turned out to be extremely lucrative. He played from 1965-1979, and ONLY in 1979, his final season where he played about half the schedule, did he not score in the top-10 among defensemen. I think it's fair to say that his offensive contributions are incredibly underrated.

- 37 points (11-27) in 61 international games
- among Russian defenders in points internationally (top-3s only): 1T, 1T, 1, 1, 1
- these include 1st in points in '72 Summit Series, '76 Super Series

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Yuri Liapkin had a reputation of one of the strongest and most reliable Soviet blueliners in the 1970's.

A crafty stick handler and puck carrier, Liapkin had a relatively soft puck-moving style and, unlike many of his defense teammates, wasn't very impressive speed wise. His strongest parts were his amazing tactical sense of the game and mastery of hockey improvisation. Liapkin was a high scoring defenseman known for his accurate shooting and contribution into his team attacks.

Arguably, one of the best moments in his career was when Shadrin, Tsygankov and Liapkin managed to kill a 2-man advantage in a key game against the Chechoslovakian squad and became the heroes of the 1976 Olympics.
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... during the Summit Series, Lyapkin played for Spartak Moscow and emerged as a leading player. ...

... Turning up the heat, he could scatter his opponents and zero in on the opposition net for a one-on-one with the goalie. ...

... His style was based on superb technique and strategic vision, and he was in top form at all times. ...

... The wing of the leading forward line, Vladimir Shadrin, at times had a new partner in Lyapkin, who was able to improvise endlessly. ...

... Coach Nikolai Karpov, who led Spartak to the gold in the 1976 national championship, said: "It seems to me that Lyapkin was born to be on this line. He and the forward line perform such miracles on the ice that later, when we show them the tape of the game, they don't believe their eyes. Lyapkin never was a fast and hard-hitting player, but his best qualities - technique and tactical vision - improved with age."

Alexander Yakushev, whose game was uneven, didn't need much coddling from his teammates. The main thing was that the player who was going to pass him the puck should do it at the moment when Yakushev switched into high gear. Lyapkin did this with a kind of sixth sense. When Lyapkin returned to Khimik in 1976, Yakushev seemed to lose his touch.

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Here's some stuff on Liapkin, I really believe he should play in this series at least as a PP specialist.
That's basically why I was dressing him as a 7th defenseman at home games to play on the PP in earlier rounds.

Honestly, the only reason I didn't bring it up in this series is that I got tired of explaining it.

Given the fact that Pat Quinn doesn't linematch, it actually makes it easier for me to role with 7 defensemen then and have Liapkin take Leduc's place on the PP.

Actually, he might bump Rob Blake off the first unit in this series. Since I'm really riding the Salming-Blake pairing hard in this series due to their mobility and physicality, it might be good to give Rob Blake 2nd PP minutes. Liapkin can definitely play on a 1st PP unit in the ATD - he was the QB of the Soviet National Team's PP.

Liapkin is a RH shot like Blake and Leduc, so he can fill it for them on the PP quite well.

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That's basically why I was dressing him as a 7th defenseman at home games to play on the PP in earlier rounds.

Honestly, the only reason I didn't bring it up in this series is that I got tired of explaining it.

Given the fact that Pat Quinn doesn't linematch, it actually makes it easier for me to role with 7 defensemen then and have Liapkin take Leduc's place on the PP.

Actually, he might bump Rob Blake off the first unit in this series. Since I'm really riding the Salming-Blake pairing hard in this series due to their mobility and physicality, it might be good to give Rob Blake 2nd PP minutes. Liapkin can definitely play on a 1st PP unit in the ATD - he was the QB of the Soviet National Team's PP.

Liapkin is a RH shot like Blake and Leduc, so he can fill it for them on the PP quite well.
Explaining it is all well and good, but you need to back things up with facts and stats. Liapkin's stats are ridiculous, and he beat some very good Russian defensemen in point scoring. Those quotes are also so very impressive, especially the one about Big Yak. Liapkin is one of my favorite players, and should absolutely be a player in a team's top-6 defensemen.

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Summary of NJ's arguments

Why NJ should win:

1. Slightly better top scoring line - both scoring lines will score in this series, but NJ's will score a bit more.

2. Better goaltending - will also help the top line of NJ score more

3. Better coaching - including the fact that Quinn just rolls his forward lines.

4. The ability to get Howe out against Inglewood's 4th line, which isn't anything special defensively (and has 2 guys - Damphousse and H Sedin - who won't shoot the puck very often).

a) Quinn doesn't really linematch so NJ's top line will be out against them occasionally

b) Howe will be doubleshifted to the NJ 4th line sometimes.

How Inglewood could win

1. Better second scoring line

-NJ will counter this by:

a) using our physical, mobile group of defensemen to physically abuse Maltsev, the primarily playmaker of Inglewood's 2nd line. Maltsev has a history of not standing up well to physical play in games against Canada (and possibly Czechoslovakia).

b) getting our own second line (with the fast, tricky Martinec and Savard) out there against Chara. Chara has a history of struggling against this type of forward.

2. Possibly marginally better top pairing (if you believe Gadsby is a step up from Salming, which I don't).

-If Gadsby has to hang back to cover for the slower Chara against Savard and Martinec, it neuters his offense somewhat.

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NJ's roster for this series


Yuri Liapkin, D*,

PP1: Busher Jackson - Sid Abel - Gordie Howe - Börje Salming - Rob Blake
PP2: Keith Tkachuk - Denis Savard - Vladimir Martinec - Babe Siebert - Albert Leduc

PK1: Pit Lepine - Don Marshall - Babe Siebert - Ted Green
PK2: Sid Abel - Gordie Howe - Börje Salming - Rob Blake
PK3: Murray Oliver - Dirk Graham - Babe Siebert - Ted Green

*For home games, NJ will dress Liapkin as a 7th defenseman/PP specialist, in place of Paiement. NJ's RWs (mostly Howe) will take Paiements shifts on the 4th line.

This is the PP in home games:

PP1: Busher Jackson - Sid Abel - Gordie Howe - Börje Salming - Yuri Liapkin
PP2: Keith Tkachuk - Denis Savard - Vladimir Martinec - Babe Siebert - Rob Blake

This also helps take some pressure off of Rob Blake, who will see major even strength ice time in this series with Salming.

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Inglewood's Roster for this Series

arrbez, let me know if anything changes before Sunday

Inglewood Jacks


Dickie Moore (A) - Peter Stastny - Bernie Geoffrion
Paul Thompson - Alexander Maltsev - Boris Mikhailov (C)
Claude Provost - Ken Mosdell - Jimmy Peters
Vincent Damphousse - Henrik Sedin - Johnny Sorrell

Bill Gadsby (A) - Zdeno Chara
Red Dutton - Pat Stapleton
Jimmy Watson - Glen Harmon

Harry Lumley
Percy LeSueur


PP1: Gadsby - Geoffrion - Moore - Stastny - Maltsev
PP2: Stapleton - Chara - Thompson - H. Sedin - Mikhailov

PK1: Provost - Mosdell - Gadsby - Chara
PK2: Thompson - Mikhailov - Watson - Dutton

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[B]I B. Martinec and Maltsev are not known for much besides offense.

C. Martinec and Maltsev were both likely above average defensively, but I haven’t seen anything definitive.
Firstly, fine job.

Having seen quite a few games in which he plays (I mean, also in recent years on DVD), one thing I can say about Martinec's defensive play is that he seemed to be used on penalty killing quite often. I believe it was more due to his ability to steal pucks and score on breakaways rather than any great defensive ability, though (kind of like how Gretzky was used [on PK] - and no, I'm not comparing him to Wayner in any way ).
BTW, one big defensive play from Martinec I can remember was in the early 2nd period of the 2nd final of the 1976 Canada Cup when he prevented a sure goal by Team Canada when he broke up a pass from Esposito to Mahovlich in front of the net (with more or less an empty net to shoot at).

All in all, IMO the 'three Ms' are very close to each other. Of course, Mikhailov and Maltsev have the numbers on their side vs. Martinec, but a lot of that can be contributed to the fact that they played for the almighty USSR. It defenitely seems that Martinec was feared by the Soviets (probably mostly in 1974-78) at least as much as Mikhailov and Maltsev were by the Czechoslovaks.

No big differences, but I would rank them:
Mikhailov
Maltsev
Martinec

Skill-wise, it's actually Maltsev and Martinec who were clearly superior to Mikhailov (and of the two, Maltsev maybe having the edge due to his more effortless skating), but like said, Mikhailov had the intangibles and I don't think Martinec and especially Maltsev could ever match him in terms of determination and competitiveness. He was also undoubtedly better than Maltsev in 'big games' and faced far more top NA competition than Martinec.

Martinec had a great peak (from about 1974 to '78), but outside that I think both Mikhailov and Maltsev more or less 'pwn' him. That is the major reason why I would choose also Maltsev over Martinec - though by the slightest of margins.

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05-11-2010, 10:43 AM
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ATD 2010 conference final result:

The New Jersey Swamp Devils DEFEAT the Inglewood Jacks in 5 games.

The three stars of the series:

1. Gordie Howe, Swamp Devils
2. Bernie Geoffrion, Jacks
3. Boris Mikhailov, Jacks

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