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05-11-2004, 03:47 PM
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What's the story on this chipchura kid?

Hey what's the story on this chipchura kid. I don't believe he had many goals/points this season. I don't know much about him but several posters seem to really like him. Can somebody give me a rundown? Why is he so attractive? Thanks in advance.

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He was in the top 7 of many scouts before the new year, but now they seems to think he might be available at 18 when the Habs will pick. Why ? Because of his lack of finishing skills, he just doesn't have a very good offensive game. He's pretty good defensively though, he's not afraid to go in the traffic, kinda Jan Bulis. Hope that helps.

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Forget the stats here this is the kind of guy that will give his 110 % each game !!! he is the center that the canadiens need he make some nice pass he is scares of nothing and he like physical game.I think he is the center that the canadiens need and he is big too !

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Forget the stats here this is the kind of guy that will give his 110 % each game !!! he is the center that the canadiens need he make some nice pass he is scares of nothing and he like physical game.I think he is the center that the canadiens need and he is big too !
I don't think he's considered a Center, tough he played LeftWing. I might be wrong, could someone clear that up ?

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Bulis???

Why would u choose that in the 1st round!


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Bulis???

Why would u choose that in the 1st round!


He's exactly what Bulis is, without the top speed, but more deidication to the game, 18 years old, and full of potential.

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If his potentiel is Bulis..then no thanks..you can grab players like that in the 3rd round.... Plekanec comes to mind

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Forget the stats here this is the kind of guy that will give his 110 % each game !!! he is the center that the canadiens need he make some nice pass he is scares of nothing and he like physical game.I think he is the center that the canadiens need and he is big too !

I hope the Habs think a heck of a while before drafting a player for "character" reasons in the first round. These are the types I'd rather see in later rounds, the first one should be all about the BPA, not the needs. Thats why I think last year was great overall.

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If his potentiel is Bulis..then no thanks..you can grab players like that in the 3rd round.... Plekanec comes to mind
You didn't understand buddy. Chipchura is 18, Bulis is 26. Chipchura as the same talent then Bulis right now and play the same kind of game, doesn't mean his potential is Bulis. 8 years old of difference, and they are pretty much equal, IMO. That's why he'll be selected top 20 come June.

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If his potentiel is Bulis..then no thanks..you can grab players like that in the 3rd round.... Plekanec comes to mind


Agreed, but if its someone like Morrow... You cant help yourself but jump on the opportunity.

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Agreed, but if its someone like Morrow... You cant help yourself but jump on the opportunity.
Yeah I was searching an NHL player who represent his potential, you got it right. Brendan Morrow is his upside, wich is damn good. Jan Bulis is his downside.

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I don't think he's considered a Center, tough he played LeftWing. I might be wrong, could someone clear that up ?
NO chipchura is a center I found some intersting information on him in hockey future website

Name: Kyle Chipchura

Position: C

Shoots: Left

Height: 6-2 NOT BAD !

Weight: 197 lbs NOT BAD !

Birthdate: 2002-01-08 i think they make a mistake I think its like 1986 not 2002

Hometown: Vimy, Alberta

Acquired:
1st round pick by the Prince Albert Raiders in the 2001 Bantam Draft (1st Overall)

History

Chipchura was the 1st overall pick in the 2001 WHL Bantam draft by the Prince Albert Raiders. He recorded 31 points in his first WHL season in 2002-03.


Talent Analysis

Chipchura postions himself very well which is one of the reasons he gets lots of points.

Future

This kid is a very talented hockey player and will have a successful career in the NHL.

Stats


Season Team GP G A Pts PIM
2002-03 Prince Albert Raiders 63 9 21 30 89 (rookie season)


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I like comparing Kyle Chipchura's style of play to Keith Primeau's. If Kyle can bulk up a bit (right now he's at 6'2, 200 pounds), he will be a physical presence on the ice just as Primeau is, IMO... I think Montreal needs this type of strong forecheckers.

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oh! he's like Bulis now!

So his potentiel is better then bulis. I thought you meant his potentiel at best is Bulis

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Chipchura will probably be gone at #18, but he'd be a great pick.

He is a big two-way centre who is a defensive specialist, he is a hard worker with a great work ethic. He also have some pretty good offensive skills including great passing abilities and vision. He isn't a bad skater, but it could definitely use some work. Overall, he's a safe pick as he can become a third line checking center or a potential future Selke candidate.

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I like comparing Kyle Chipchura's style of play to Keith Primeau's. If Kyle can bulk up a bit (right now he's at 6'2, 200 pounds), he will be a physical presence on the ice just as Primeau is, IMO... I think Montreal needs this type of strong forecheckers.
Agreed... the Primeau style comparison is pretty valid, only he probably skates better. Some other names to throw around when making comparisons: Trevor Linden, Scott Hartnell.

The only concern I have with Chipchura... it seems like his game is levelling off a bit? From #1 overall bantam pick, he hasn't quite met a lot of his junior expectations, and he wasn't really big at tourneys like the U18, was he? He was also ranked #1 in N.A. by CSB in the mid-season (i.e. ahead of Ladd, Barker, *everybody*), which obviously translates to well within the top-10, only now his stock seems to be falling off into the top-20 range. When we picked guys like Bilodeau and Ward (and to a lesser extent Higgins and Brown), they were also guys whose long-distance ratings were high, but who were tailing off on many radars by d-day, and who we may consequently have plucked because "hey, who would have thought they'd have fallen this far!"

That said, I still like the "idea of Chipchura", anyway. Again, if guys like him, or Stafford, or maybe even Picard, are around at forward, plus all the guys at D, it seems like we will have ample quality to choose from. Several years from now, people will revel in going through the list of those guys picked 12-30, and half of them will be busts and half will be ok, and unfortunately from here they all look pretty even.

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Agreed... the Primeau style comparison is pretty valid, only he probably skates better. Some other names to throw around when making comparisons: Trevor Linden, Scott Hartnell.

The only concern I have with Chipchura... it seems like his game is levelling off a bit? From #1 overall bantam pick, he hasn't quite met a lot of his junior expectations, and he wasn't really big at tourneys like the U18, was he? He was also ranked #1 in N.A. by CSB in the mid-season (i.e. ahead of Ladd, Barker, *everybody*), which obviously translates to well within the top-10, only now his stock seems to be falling off into the top-20 range. When we picked guys like Bilodeau and Ward (and to a lesser extent Higgins and Brown), they were also guys whose long-distance ratings were high, but who were tailing off on many radars by d-day, and who we may consequently have plucked because "hey, who would have thought they'd have fallen this far!"

That said, I still like the "idea of Chipchura", anyway. Again, if guys like him, or Stafford, or maybe even Picard, are around at forward, plus all the guys at D, it seems like we will have ample quality to choose from. Several years from now, people will revel in going through the list of those guys picked 12-30, and half of them will be busts and half will be ok, and unfortunately from here they all look pretty even.
I agree with most of your points. When I realized he had been the #1 pick in the 2001 WHL Bantam Draft, I was kind of surprised he hasn't put up yet the numbers one can expect from a forward drafted 1st overall. He only scored 9 goals in his first Junior season (and 21 assists for a total of 30 points). This season, before Christmas he was heading for a "1 PPG season" before he got injured. After missing quite a few games, he wasn't able to find back his A-Game, especially on offense. That could very well explain why he has stopped producing. As you said, there's a lot to like about Chipchura though.

A prospect doesn't always have to be a 1st line offensive dynamo to be a useful player to your organization. He has attributes that guys like Radulov, Voloshenko and Picard, don't have. Such as strong forechecking abilities, great defensive awareness, willingness to use the body. When you can find someone who possesses this kind of attributes, while bringing offensive contribution too, you know you have a safe pick. As for his U-18 tournament performances, I think he has done pretty well thus far (offensively, at least). If I'm not mistaken, last year he was one of Canada's best players at the U-17 tournament. Maybe someone could confirm that. Hopefully the injury he had during this season is the reason why his offensive game dropped off a lot in the 2nd season half, because he does have offensive skills; not only defensive/forechecking skills, compared to what some people on these boards pretend. Remember that stats don't always tell the whole story.

By the way, I like your Trevor Linden comparision for Chipchura.


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I would prefer drafting this guy than having an offensive player who have 40% chance to play in NHL. The 18th pick is a lottery one. So we better playing this safe. We need a guy with size & heart for the future.

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A prospect doesn't always have to be a 1st line offensive dynamo to be a useful player to your organization. He has attributes that guys like Radulov, Voloshenko and Picard, don't have. Such as strong forechecking abilities, great defensive awareness, willingness to use the body. When you can find someone who possesses this kind of attributes, while bringing offensive contribution too, you know you have a safe pick.
Guess what! The guy can fight too!
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I would prefer drafting this guy than having an offensive player who have 40% chance to play in NHL. The 18th pick is a lottery one. So we better playing this safe. We need a guy with size & heart for the future.

I completly disagree, Martin Havlat was the 26th pick of one of the weakest drafts in history, theres always a diamond in the rough and I'd rather see a player who's stock has risen during the year then one who's fallen off the radar.

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Central Scouting had Chipchura ranked as the top N.A. prospect for most of this year. However, I think he is overrated. He doesn’t have the soft hands to be a top NHL forward. Chipchura finished 55th in scoring, that’s just in the WHL. A former #1 pick in the bantam draft, which may add to his high ranking. He does have a lot of upside as a strong two- way player. Type of player who could be a future NHL team captain someday. Likes to play in traffic, plays with a nice edge, constantly involved in the happenings. A good penalty killer, he throws big hits, agitated quite effectively, visibly team leader on the ice. A future 40-45 point scoring, Jason Arnott type player. In that he can effectively check opposition #1 centers and shut them down. Does leave a little bit to be desire sometimes though

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I can't understand any of the comparisons in this thread. Chipchura is nothing like Bulis. And he's like Bulis is now? Give me a break. They're not very similar at all and there's not a chance Chipchura steps into an NHL lineup at 18 and plays a versatile, PK specialist role.

Then the comparison between Plekanec and Bulis is mind boggling.

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I can't understand any of the comparisons in this thread. Chipchura is nothing like Bulis. And he's like Bulis is now? Give me a break. They're not very similar at all and there's not a chance Chipchura steps into an NHL lineup at 18 and plays a versatile, PK specialist role.
Agreed. Never would I dare comparing Chipchura and Bulis. They're completely different players. From what I've seen of Chipchura, he plays a big man's game, being resiliant and physical in all 3 zones. He also has much better hands than Bulis and has better vision along with better passing skills. Only similarity in the offensive zone is his inability (so far) to finish plays. He's also known for being a character type of player and a leader off the ice, something that would never come to mind when describing Jan Bulis. Forget the comparison. It's way off base.

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Big player with lacking finishing touch...sounds like we are drafting Linsay Vallis or Turner Stevenson all over again.

I would rather draft a small talented forward over a question mark.

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