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05-04-2010, 07:09 AM
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Jacques Martin creating a new form of trap.

Or so says Pascal Dupuis, he says the Penguins wish they could hit the Habs more in their own zone but that everytime they dump the puck the Habs let them get there 1st and then they trape em in the corners, sort of like a closed box in the middle of our zone.

What do you guys think? Do you like that system? IMO it could explain why we let so many shots in during a game but why so few are scoring chances, because we give them no option except shooting from a distance. Apperently the innovator of that form of trap was ex-coach Pierre Pagé, and guess who was his 1st assistant...

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Interesting. Thanks for the post.

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I don't know if it's a "new form of trap", but our recent successes are clearly system-based. Now, do I like it? Yes, considering where we would be without it...

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Well I don't know about you guys but if this system makes us win games I don't really see
the point of bringin it out and comparing to the old trap of boring hockey!

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Habs are using an hybrid of wing lock and collapsing defense, and it works wonders when you have good defensive centers like Gomer and Plex.

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I was listening to CKAC this morning (yea i know waste of time) and Bob Hartley (who im not a fan of) said it was called

''The box +1''

The +1 being the center

Said that if the center lose his 1on1 it becomes an odd-man rush which makes it the most important battle

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I was listening to CKAC this morning (yea i know waste of time) and Bob Hartley (who im not a fan of) said it was called

''The box +1''

The +1 being the center

Said that if the center lose his 1on1 it becomes an odd-man rush which makes it the most important battle
It's more than box+1

This box is not passive like in a box +1 (which is more common to BBall), they are collapsing on the wing, using the centerman as the pivot for switching on the puckholder. Essentially, this 'agressive' box +1 is used to lock the wing and draw the puck, which forces teams to shoot from the outside and play the perimeter. Pretty sure Gio and Gomer gave Martin a few tips about their time in Jersey, and Martin made the best of it by applying some of it to his strategies.

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Ropa dope and Jaroslav Ali !

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I hope they won't be able to adjust their game.

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« On souhaiterait frapper davantage leurs joueurs, mais c'est dur de le faire, a mentionné Dupuis. On a beau envoyer la rondelle profondément dans leur territoire, c'est rare qu'ils arrivent les premiers. Ils nous laissent passer et se collent à nous en s'appliquant à nous maîtriser le long des bandes. On se place entre nous et le devant du but, on nous garde à l'extérieur et on utilise bien les bâtons afin de couper les lignes de passes. »

I didnt know the habs dmen being slow was a strategy.

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It makes sense. Throughout the year we saw the Habs get nailed inthe boards and loose puck possession in the zone when they got the puck first. It seems this is a really good adjustment by Martin especially now with the lose of our best puck moving defencman.

It'll be interesting how a relatively young coach in Bylsma can adjust and compensate for this trap. It seems to me by the comments of the payers and coaches so far against the Caos and now the Pens that they seem to think everything they're doing is perfectly fine and it's a matter of time before they start scoring goals. It led to the Caps demise, let's hope for the same against the Pens. Arrogence is a hell of a disability to overcome.

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It'll be interesting how a relatively young coach in Bylsma can adjust and compensate for this trap. It seems to me by the comments of the payers and coaches so far against the Caos and now the Pens that they seem to think everything they're doing is perfectly fine and it's a matter of time before they start scoring goals. It led to the Caps demise, let's hope for the same against the Pens. Arrogence is a hell of a disability to overcome.
I guess that's the best teams' curse: they are so skilled, they don't need good coaching to achieve great things.

"We are better than these guys. We should be beating them. Why isn't it working?"

This is why I love playoff hockey

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The Habs are playing a tight version of "zone defense", which is essentially a tight "box plus 1". The first d-man plays the puckhandler, the center supports and the second D covers the net front and slot. The 2 wingers cover their D but collapse to provide slot support, block passing lanes and be available as outlets.

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Interesting. I noticed it, but didn't know it was part of the system. I gotta say it's brilliant though, instead of having our D's stuck on the boards, we're sticking their forwards on there and it makes it easier to win battles behind the net/in the corners.

It's things like these that makes me realize how better off we are with JM than we were with a rookie coach like Carbo. Martin is far from perfect, but at least he has a system that can be defined and applied.

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It essentially winds up daring the forwards to make a move on their own with the puck to get to the prime scoring area .

"Come on Sid,try it."

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It's actually more of a set of principles than a system per se. The principles are:

-Stay on the defensive side of the puck at all times.
-Protect the slot.
-Make good use of sticks and bodies to block shooting and passing lanes.
-Be quick to clear rebounds out of the net front area.
-Provide support upon puck retrieval.

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Like i said, if there is any advantage the Habs have in this series other than goaltending, it's coaching.

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Yesterday in l'Antichambre, everybody was complaining about the Habs' boring hockey

No, no, I'm not kidding, they were.

Then Bertrand Raymond lost it: " hey, we haven't won a Cup in 17 years, we are winning games, and you guys are *****ing about the boring system ! "

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whatever works.

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Martin's new system = HALAK

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In the regular season I would hate this defensive game.. just makes for boring hockey.
But in the playoffs, whatever works!!!

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I've noticed Hamrlik is really good at that maneuver of letting the opposition player get a half step ahead, let him crash boards, then Hamrlik comes out with puck.

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That's what I do on NHL and it kinda works lol. The positive for other teams is that they get to see their team in offense for like 40 minutes a game and they see them take 40+ shots, unlike NJ who doesn't even let you gain the zone

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In the regular season I would hate this defensive game.. just makes for boring hockey.
But in the playoffs, whatever works!!!
My thoughts, exactly!

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I do not care about the nuances of the system. The most important thing is that it is working!

If 'boring' hockey is causing us to win than the Habs should continue their 'boring' play.

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