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5/6 Discussion - Cam Barker Expectations

One of the top topics this off-season has been the blue line. There has been a lot of talk about trades, signing a free agent and/or banking on one of our prospects but it seems as if Barker goes under the radar. Part Burns, part Schultz and part Zidlicky, it's hard to get a read on Barker; especially since he only played twenty games this year. Throw in the fact that the jury is still out on the Leddy + Johnsson trade and there are many varying opinions about what he needs to accomplish in order to offset his contract and trading partners.

So with that, my question for today is: What are your expectations for Cam Barker next year?

Note: I'm not attaching a poll because there's no set answer.

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I don't care so much in the way of points, but I'd like to see something like 5-10 goals, and 30-35 assists in the way of points. However, I'd very much like to see him play well just in general. I really like his shot from the point, and I think he will be great on the PP, and should help our blueliners there. I think that he must show some passion. He seemed out of it, maybe he was disappointed in being traded to a non-contending team?

He will get top 4 minutes this year, and I hope he will start to look like a D-Man deserving of it. He needs to have passion and look like he cares. We will know when that happens. I am hoping and thinking that he will show that next year. I think he will have a successful year paired with Burns (hopefully)

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I honestly don't know what to think of him. The scouting report was a monster of a shot, great size, and plenty of skill, but he was so underwhelming last year in both Chicago and Minnesota.

Like a lot of the other players, he had an injury down the stretch, and who knows how much that figured into it.

It seems he was acquired to play with Burns. We saw how much success Burns had with a shutdown guy like Keith Carney a couple years back. I know a knock on Barker is his skating...but if he can be an effective shutdown guy who can clear the net, play physical, and use his shot on the PP point, that's all we need. He seems to have the coach's trust and can play the minutes, it's all up to him at this point.

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The guy has already put up the points so the skill is there. What I want to see is passion/hustle every game. His first few games he seemed to care and then absolutely nothing. He was weak in front of the net, flat-footed, didn't make good first passes and barely got his shot off. I just want to see him playing like he wants to be in the NHL...if he plays lazy, I'll be pissed.

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Keep in mind though he had an ankle injury so bad he needed surgery to repair it. It's entirely possible he was so slow and behind the play due to injury and not laziness...which is why he could potentially bounce back next year.

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The guy has already put up the points so the skill is there. What I want to see is passion/hustle every game. His first few games he seemed to care and then absolutely nothing. He was weak in front of the net, flat-footed, didn't make good first passes and barely got his shot off. I just want to see him playing like he wants to be in the NHL...if he plays lazy, I'll be pissed.
this.


I've stated something similar too this in several other threads but I'll say it again:

I demand that the players play with passion & hustle & heart game in & game out & that's a huge problem with this team. I can handle losing, I can handle mistakes but when it looks like a player flat out doesn't care or care enough, that's what gets me.. I know this sounds a little ridiculus to say but I can handle going 0 - 82 in a season if I know that every guy out there was working their ***** off & giving their all more then I can handle a mediocre, play-off missing season where a chunk of the players seem disinterested half the time...

As fans we give a lot of time, money & energy to support these guys & when they play lack-luster hockey is when I get pissed...

So like the post I qouted states, I expect him to give his all game in & game out... If he does that, the goals, the assists, & the stellar defense will come with it..


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Keep in mind though he had an ankle injury so bad he needed surgery to repair it. It's entirely possible he was so slow and behind the play due to injury and not laziness...which is why he could potentially bounce back next year.
Definitly noted.. I just expect passion out of all our players in general, but I know what it's like to play injured and sometimes it just ruins your game..


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I honestly don't know what to think of him. The scouting report was a monster of a shot, great size, and plenty of skill, but he was so underwhelming last year in both Chicago and Minnesota.

Like a lot of the other players, he had an injury down the stretch, and who knows how much that figured into it.
This is exactly why I asked the question.

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I expect him to play well enough for me to not question his standing in our top 4. Points are nice, but I want to see him play well in all 3 zones.

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Honestly, my expectations for Barker are not good. His point totals in 2008-09 are a mirage for his poor skating and awareness. If I had to put down numbers, I'll say 5 goals and 20 assists. But with that comes little offensively 5 on 5 and a continuous dose of trouble in the defensive zone.

The Barker we saw for 20 games is the Barker that Chicago has seen for most of his short career. I don't have high hopes to win that trade.

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Sure he looked bad, but don't you think Fletch must have liked him a lot if he were to give up Leddy for him?

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Sure he looked bad, but don't you think Fletch must have liked him a lot if he were to give up Leddy (and Johnsson!) for him?
Fletcher can like him all he wants, but it won't change the facts. I mean, we're talking about a GM that must have really liked Chuck Kobasew and Petr Sykora. Every GM in this league likes players that they shouldn't like. Don't forget that.

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All I'm trying to say is we only saw him for 20 games, he was hurt (as Jarick said), and the jury is still very much out for him. I personally liked the move at the time because we were getting a 23-year old D-man with great potential, now it's time for him to solidify his position.

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He's still young and he was injured, so I'm willing to write off some of his play as long as he stops looking like he's a step slow all the time.

Next season I'll consider the trade a success if we don't lead the league in SH goals against and it seems like he is at least partially responsible. So I guess I have low standards.

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I think if he plays with Burns a lot, he'll get into the motions. He was playing bottom pairing in Chicago with crappy players. I wouldn't be motivated either.

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I'm sure the injury played a role in all of the below, but this is where I'd like to see improvement (in order):

1. Toughness in front/behind the net
2. Skating
3. First Pass

I can live with a less than stellar first pass & below average skating if he's taking out the trash in front of Backstrom. Basically, I'd like to see him do one thing really well in his own zone & branch out from there.

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My expectation is waivers or a healthy scratch by midseason, so he can't really disappoint me. Wish we never traded for this clown.

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I'd be satisfied at this point if he turned out to possess one of the traits I originally thought he had. Use that frame and be physical if you can't play smart! God at the very least get in people's way when they're skating around in your zone--even skoula could do that much. For godsake, is it too much to ask to be physical? Zidlicky initiated more physical contact (to no effect) than Barker.

Hoping he was just depressed about getting traded out of Chicago and missing the playoffs so he'll actually cheer up and play hockey next year. We'll see.

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I think if he plays with Burns a lot, he'll get into the motions. He was playing bottom pairing in Chicago with crappy players. I wouldn't be motivated either.
If that is the case then that should worry Wild fans about his committment to better himself

Ususally when a player is getting outplayed by Brent Sopel and Jordan Hendry they up there game.

At time of trade Barker was basically our #7 and was getting worse

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I'll be contrarian.

I think he'll impress, and have a really good season because:

- his ankle will be healthy
- he's had time to adapt to his new teammates, and surroundings
- he's gotten time to digest Todd Richards' system of leaving the goalie out to dry, I mean, er, uh, active defensemen
- and, this is just a guess, but I think Chuck Fletcher will be up front with him telling him that he was brought here because we think he can be a better player than he was in Chicago, and now this is his chance to prove it.

Now, the key is to find the right pairing where Barker can make an impact at even strength, because we know he'll get his PP points.

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i'm worried that he won't be a better player than he was in Chicago, but we'll still end up feeding him twice the minutes because we have no other choice, really. Then they'll point out his Avg. minutes boost and try to pass that off as an indicator that he's better here.

He's young, and there has to be a good reason he was drafted where he was--lets hope he shows up next year. If both he and Burns play up to their potential, it will be enough to make up for everyone else.

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Which year with Chicago? Last year, where he put up more points per game than Duncan Keith?

Here's what I'm seeing with Barker:

2008-09: 68gp 6g 34a 40pts (29 PP points)
Even strength points per minute played = 0.0118
Power play points per minute played = 0.1254

2009-10 Chicago: 51gp 4g 10a 14pts (6 PP points)
Even strength points per minute played = 0.0142
Power play points per minute played = 0.0585

He's essentially been a PP specialist the last couple years on a very deep Chicago team, but his minutes and production dropped on the PP. Here, we're hoping he can be a top minute guy in all situations. With Chicago he averaged only 2 seconds per game shorthanded...here he was up to just about two minutes. His powerplay time jumped from two to almost three minutes, and his even strength time jumped from only 11 minutes to almost 18.

My point is, he had a huge, huge change in ice time, responsibility, role, etc, in addition to a different coach and different teammates. He definitely has to step up next year and prove his worth, but he's put up big points before and obviously was talented enough to get drafted 3rd overall, so it's just how hard he wants to work to try and succeed here.

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I want to see a more aggressive, top 4 defenseman out of Barker that is responsible enough defensively but can chip in offensively.

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