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05-12-2010, 02:11 AM
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What have we learned about the Canucks 2010?

After this regular season, I think we were hopeful that we would be more competitive in a playoff series against Chicago. Some people even thought we were significant Stanley Cup contenders (me included).

But now I realize certain things about our team.

Our key players, Luongo, the two Sedins, and Kesler, are unlikely to lead any team to a Stanley Cup. Luongo is streaky, the Sedins can be negated with a strong defensive effort, and Kesler was surprisingly absent from the three stars. I'm not saying we should get rid of any of them, (and do their contracts even allow that), but I am worried that our biggest contracts involve players that I doubt have what it takes to succeed in the playoffs.

We don't have enough players willing to pay the price when the going gets tough.

Our defense needs two or three significant additions during the off-season.

Roberto should let someone else be captain.

We need more toughness.

This team shouldn't be blown up, but some significant changes are needed if we are ever to seriously challenge for the Cup in the next few years.

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Defence = bad.

Really bad.

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They're still mediocre.

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We've learned they are fundamentally no different than the 2003 edition.

And we all know how not blowing up that "promising" team ended up.

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I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but whatever. This team is missing a Matt Cooke type player. Yes, I understand he's a cheap POS, but he is effective. We didn't have ANYONE who got in on the forecheck fast enough or anyone who effectively laid the body on anyone. Chicago's defense got out of this series without a blemish and at this point of the playoffs it's just not acceptable. There are a lot of deficientcies on this team and I think that is a big one.

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Still needs tweaking but we are closer than people think.

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I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but whatever. This team is missing a Matt Cooke type player. Yes, I understand he's a cheap POS, but he is effective. We didn't have ANYONE who got in on the forecheck fast enough or anyone who effectively laid the body on anyone. Chicago's defense got out of this series without a blemish and at this point of the playoffs it's just not acceptable. There are a lot of deficientcies on this team and I think that is a big one.
Does Alex Burrows have a younger brother?

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We didn't have ANYONE who got in on the forecheck fast enough...
Isn't that what Burrows & Kesler are supposed to do?

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Isn't that what Burrows & Kesler are supposed to do?
They are supposed to but I have yet to see either of them deliver a check that would hurt. At least with Cooke you could see he was steaming into his hits with authorita.

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Isn't that what Burrows & Kesler are supposed to do?
They're supposed to. Did they? I'll let you answer that.

Wake me up when we have guys that actually do what they're supposed to do.

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I think managerial ineptitude should be added to the list of concerns.

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They're supposed to. Did they? I'll let you answer that.

Wake me up when we have guys that actually do what they're supposed to do.
Kesler has a solid excuse. Burrows? Unless we learn something in the next couple of days, he has no good reason to explain why he played the way he did.

Oh, and yes, having an injury is a solid excuse. Especially when you're complaining about Kesler not hitting guys.

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Wake me up when we have guys that actually do what they're supposed to do.
I think you're in for a long rest.

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Defence = bad.

Really bad.
Mitchell = a lot more important than we thought

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Sometimes a team just isn't good enough.

We need to finish 1st or 2nd in the conference to be considered legit contenders. We are a lot closer to the teams below us than the two teams ahead of us.

Need to build a roster with forwards that pay more attention to details, and defenseman that play a smart game(play within their limitations). Good PK(besides goaltending) is a result of smart defenseman and forwards paying attention to detail. No surprise the team failed hard on the PK.

Getting the team to buy into being devoted defensively and cuttting down careless turnovers. As bad as the defense was during the playoffs i have to say the forwards didn't do them any favours. Team was guilty of being too aggressive the minute they got down a goal.

Defense needs to be built with the playoffs in mind, namely handling Chicago/San Jose. A legit Shutdown pairing must be established come next years playoffs. Ehrhoff, Salo, etc can't handle shutdown minutes.

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I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but whatever. This team is missing a Matt Cooke type player. Yes, I understand he's a cheap POS, but he is effective. We didn't have ANYONE who got in on the forecheck fast enough or anyone who effectively laid the body on anyone. Chicago's defense got out of this series without a blemish and at this point of the playoffs it's just not acceptable. There are a lot of deficientcies on this team and I think that is a big one.
No that's solid. Burrows used to be this kind of guy but he doesn't hit with any power anymore, and Bernier didn't play enough/wasn't fast enough to have an impact.

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The defense needs a revamp. Acquiring Hamhuis/Volchenkov, getting rid of Bieksa and playing SOB in a sheltered, defined role are essential.

We also didn't have the depth on our 3rd and 4th lines to compete with the Hawks. Those lines need more size and more actual penalty killing ability instead of Ryan Johnson's flailing attempts at shotblocking.

I also thought this series showed we were missing that one wrecking ball player who just hits all over the ice. The Hawks were hurting us left right and center with their hits and Kesler and Burrows, while agitators, are really not guys that hurt you when they forecheck. They can burn you in other ways (ie. speed) on the forecheck when they're on the top of their game but they don't make a single defenseman afraid to go into the corners, and by the end of this series, our defensemen looked terrified of going into the corners.

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Kesler has a solid excuse. Burrows? Unless we learn something in the next couple of days, he has no good reason to explain why he played the way he did.

Oh, and yes, having an injury is a solid excuse. Especially when you're complaining about Kesler not hitting guys.
I would argue then that Kesler shouldn't have been getting the minutes he was if he was so injured that he couldn't play to that level. That is a big part of Kesler's game and if he can't play physical he's not going to be effective.

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I know I'm gonna get flamed for this but whatever. This team is missing a Matt Cooke type player. Yes, I understand he's a cheap POS, but he is effective. We didn't have ANYONE who got in on the forecheck fast enough or anyone who effectively laid the body on anyone. Chicago's defense got out of this series without a blemish and at this point of the playoffs it's just not acceptable. There are a lot of deficientcies on this team and I think that is a big one.
You are absolutely right. Why settle for a Cooke like player when Cooke is a free agent this offseason and can be had for cheap.

Seriously the Canucks have too many useless pluggers who don't score and also are not effective agitators.(Rypien,Glass,Ryan Johnson,etc.).

Because of all the bad publicity Cooke has gotten it is unlikely he will get more than a one or two year contract at about $1.5Million per. The Canucks nearly paid Ryan fricking Johnson that much this year.

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You are absolutely right. Why settle for a Cooke like player when Cooke is a free agent this offseason and can be had for cheap.

Seriously the Canucks have too many useless pluggers who don't score and also are not effective agitators.(Rypien,Glass,Ryan Johnson,etc.).

Because of all the bad publicity Cooke has gotten it is unlikely he will get more than a one or two year contract at about $1.5Million per. The Canucks nearly paid Ryan fricking Johnson that much this year.
As long as AV is coaching, Cooke will never sign here. To be honest, I'd hate to see Cooke back on this team, we need at least one punishing hitter, but there's a difference between a punishing hitter and a dirty, gutless player like Cooke.

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I've learned that the Sedins need a big skilled winger with them that can clear the way for them in the playoffs. You can't have a water bug like Alex Burrows or a non-hitter like Samuelsson playing with them.

There's a reason Toews and Kane had such massive series against the Canucks, especially the last 4 games. They had ROOM to operate without fear of reprisal. I don't care if they play the guy with the twins during the regular season... just have somebody with an ill will and a body to bring it to play with them in the playoffs.

I would think we'd have to make a trade as the UFA market is slim in this regard and we have no real prospects that fit the bill.

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As long as AV is coaching, Cooke will never sign here. To be honest, I'd hate to see Cooke back on this team, we need at least one punishing hitter, but there's a difference between a punishing hitter and a dirty, gutless player like Cooke.
I was thinking more along the lines of Raffi Torres. Steve Ott would have been my first choice but he was re-signed by Dallas not too long ago.

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I was thinking more along the lines of Raffi Torres. Steve Ott would have been my first choice but he was re-signed by Dallas not too long ago.
I would love to see Raffi Torres on the Canucks. He's the type of guy you just hate to see playing against your team.

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I was thinking more along the lines of Raffi Torres. Steve Ott would have been my first choice but he was re-signed by Dallas not too long ago.
My thoughts exactly... Torres is still on the small side. Backes out of St. Louis would be IDEAL if we can trade for him, though there is a tonne of bad blood between the two management teams. You never know though...

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