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04-20-2010, 03:17 AM
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Ole Kristian Tollefsen suspended

Ole Kristian Tollefsen of Norway was suspended for three games by the IIHF for his brutal hit on Slovak forward Lubos Bartecko during the Winter Olympic hockey tournament in Vancouver. If selected to the Norwegian NT, he will miss the first three games of the upcoming World Championships in Germany [pre-tournament exhibition games obviously don't count in terms of the ban].

The hit was particularly brutal for two reasons: 1. it was a prototypical "east-west" blindside 2. if that wasn't bad enough, Tollefsen elbowed Bartecko in the head.

The ensuing powerplay resulted in two Slovak goals, and considering how well Norway played in that game, it really sunk the Olympic aspirations of the team. It was a damaging hit for team Slovakia also as Bartecko missed the rest of the game versus Norway, the QF versus Sweden, the SF versus Canada, and the bronze medal game versus Finland. Bartecko fit in really well on the Handzus line and it was a real pity to lose him.

I am surprised at how short the suspension is, and how eager Norway is to welcome him back to their national team. Perhaps disappointed is more accurate than surprised.

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04-21-2010, 06:18 AM
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It was not really blindside, but the rest I agree with. Pure intent to injure should result in more than 3 games.

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04-27-2010, 11:15 AM
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That is pure ********.

Tollefsen landed a hit with his shoulder, Bartecko had his head a little bit down. But yes it was a major or game, because Tollefsen missed on his entry and came in a little too early from a bad angle.

But, Bartecko had an old wound in the back on the head(Holtet and Bastiansen, his teammates in Färjestad said so) and his helmets wasn't strapped correctly on. This "made" this hit so brutal.

3 games? Wasn't there another pretty bad hit, where the guy only got one game(Pitkänen?) because the player actually didn't get injuries because he had his helmet on.


This is just the international federation making a point and letting it go out on the small teams(again). None of the bigger teams would have gotten 3 games on their man.

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04-27-2010, 11:27 AM
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******** call!
If Bartecko would were his helmet right, that would never have happend. He can blame himself, the hit wasn't that bad. If he only had the helmet right, he would have comtinued to play the next shift, or the shift after. Seen plenty worse hits in the NHL this season. Give me a break..

Like Sir said so well, noone of the big teams would get 3 games for that, punish the smaller countries.

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04-27-2010, 05:23 PM
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That is pure ********.
That is your opinion, which means 0 percent to me.

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Tollefsen landed a hit with his shoulder,
Tollefsen landed the hit with his elbow, his arm is clearly extended from his body and he skates elbow first towards Bartecko.

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Bartecko had his head a little bit down.
Both in the IIHF and NHL, the head is not an acceptable target like it was in the 1980s.

Norway is now appealing this suspension. When I first read that I thought it was a joke. Now I see the appeal even has some support amongst Norwegians. It is completely lost on me how this foul could be defended.

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04-27-2010, 06:03 PM
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That is your opinion, which means 0 percent to me.


Tollefsen landed the hit with his elbow, his arm is clearly extended from his body and he skates elbow first towards Bartecko.


Both in the IIHF and NHL, the head is not an acceptable target like it was in the 1980s.

Norway is now appealing this suspension. When I first read that I thought it was a joke. Now I see the appeal even has some support amongst Norwegians. It is completely lost on me how this foul could be defended.
If Bartecko only had his helmet right, we wouldnt even have this conversation. He can blame himself. And if the hit would have been done by a slovak on a norwegian there would never been any talk about a suspention at all. Big countries in hockey will always have IIHF behind them.

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If Bartecko only had his helmet right, we wouldnt even have this conversation. He can blame himself. And if the hit would have been done by a slovak on a norwegian there would never been any talk about a suspention at all. Big countries in hockey will always have IIHF behind them.
Bartecko lost consciousness already from the elbow. In addition, there is a contention that the elbow did damage to the strap on Bartecko's helmet.

My honest opinion is that if you are defending this foul and think this is how you want the sport of hockey to be played, you should check yourself into a mental hospital.

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04-28-2010, 09:28 AM
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That is your opinion, which means 0 percent to me.



Tollefsen landed the hit with his elbow, his arm is clearly extended from his body and he skates elbow first towards Bartecko.



Both in the IIHF and NHL, the head is not an acceptable target like it was in the 1980s.

Norway is now appealing this suspension. When I first read that I thought it was a joke. Now I see the appeal even has some support amongst Norwegians. It is completely lost on me how this foul could be defended.
If you can't handle people disagree, don't start the thread.

Tollefsen landed a shoulder hit. The timing and angle just became completely wrong.

Yes, it's not acceptable. That's why I said a "Major", game misconduct. And maybe a game.

The guy is a tough player, not a dirty one. You come across as he always do this kind of stuff.

Let's say Crosby had gotten this, you what would have happened? IIHF would say "**** happens"...or Chara...or Hossa...

It's a bad hit, but it isn't 3 game suspension worthy.

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Bartecko lost consciousness already from the elbow. In addition, there is a contention that the elbow did damage to the strap on Bartecko's helmet.

My honest opinion is that if you are defending this foul and think this is how you want the sport of hockey to be played, you should check yourself into a mental hospital.
Two of his norwegian teammates said he always play with his helmet that loos. Im defending him because he didn't do much wrong, hard clean hit. If Bartecko only had the strap tighter he would have avoided that concussion.

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Holy ****, that's a lot of blood.

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Wow, a lot of ****ing blood.

Sounds and looks like his helmet was loose though so it's kind of his fault.

Can't really tell if it was an elbow or shoulder from that YT.

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Jesus. Wth. How is that player doing now?

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Holy **** that's gross.

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I thought it was for "performance enhancing names"

but yeah, I remember seeing that hit. Brutal.

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Not that hard hit. Once again sentence is given based on the injury not the act it self.

3 games is too much. We have seen lot worse in the wc and olympics.

He was injured because his helmet dropped off just before impact.

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Helmet was def. loose as hell during that game. While the angle was bad when Tollefson came in for the hit, that wouldn't of done what it did if the helmet was worn correctly

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You can see Bartecko went lights out after that elbow hit him in the head. I see no reason for Norwegians to be upset about the suspension.

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It should be clear to everyone that it is indeed an elbow hit. If not, watch the youtube video again. The suspension is 100% correct. The only reason it isn't longer is properly because his helmet was so lose.

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Is it not the standing of the IIHF that there is no such thing as a legal hit to the head?

Warranted or not, that seems pretty cut and dry. They clearly put more responsibility of the aggressor when laying someone out.

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Holy ****, that's a lot of blood.
Head wounds tend to bleed loads against a cut on something like the leg or arm. So seeing so much blood isn't always reflective of how bad it is. Cuts that would clot up quick on your arm can bleed for quite a while.

Still, head wounds always need to be checked out by a medic.

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And, Bartecko had already a stiched wound in the back of the head from earlier in the season.

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Tighten up that chin strap fella.

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And, Bartecko had already a stiched wound in the back of the head from earlier in the season.
Disregard that. Disregard the fact that his helmet was loose. Disregard anything that happened after the impact. Now look at the fact it was a brutal elbow that immediately sent the player into unconsciousness. THAT is why this play should not be defended.

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