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05-23-2010, 10:59 PM
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I don't see a problem with Schenn's predominant role being 4th line center. I think he'll still see some PP and PK time.

Also, it's inevitable that they'll be injuries and line shuffling, so I think he'll see some occasional time in the top 9 or even the top 6.

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05-23-2010, 11:01 PM
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I think Schenn staying depends on 2 things

1. his camp and possibly first 9 games
2. If the keep the agreemet 1 more year and the bonus cushion is still enabled

He had a great year, but jr is long way from the AHL. I wish they would draft players at 1 yearolder and move free agency to 28.

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05-23-2010, 11:12 PM
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Simmonds is a good fighter because he's got quick hands and probably a longer reach, not because of his strength. Remember, he was 170 lbs+ his first nhl season. Schenn is already close to 200 lbs.
That's boxing, not hockey fighting. Strength and balance plays a huge role in hockey - even more so than boxing. Rarely do you see guys just dropping bombs and Simmonds isn't that kind if fighter. So that means that when he's jostling with some of the heavyweights he's fought, he has to have upper body strength on par with some pretty big boys in order to wrastle them around.

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That's boxing, not hockey fighting. Strength and balance plays a huge role in hockey - even more so than boxing. Rarely do you see guys just dropping bombs and Simmonds isn't that kind if fighter. So that means that when he's jostling with some of the heavyweights he's fought, he has to have upper body strength on par with some pretty big boys in order to wrastle them around.
That's fighting in general, not just boxing.

Heavys? When did Simmonds fight a heavyweight his first year? And who was it?

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05-23-2010, 11:36 PM
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That's fighting in general, not just boxing.

Heavys? When did Simmonds fight a heavyweight his first year? And who was it?
Not really. Reach isn't that huge of a factor when it comes to grappling; it's a strike specific term.

He fought Troy Brodie in the preseason.

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05-23-2010, 11:51 PM
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Does anyone know what performance needs to be fulfilled for Schenn to be paid for his bonus?
Schenn's base salary is $900,000.

For forwards signing entry-level contracts, they are eligible to receive up to $212,500 in nine different Individual A statistical categories, but the bonus cannot exceed $850,000.
  1. Ice time (must be among top six to receive)
  2. Goals (20 goal minimum)
  3. Assists (35 assist minimum)
  4. Points (60 point minimum)
  5. Points Per Game (.73 minimum with no less than 42 games played)
  6. Plus-Minus (must be among top three on team)
  7. NHL All-Rookie Team
  8. NHL All-Star Game
  9. NHL All-Star Game MVP

Individual B bonuses are awarded for winning or being nominated for various NHL Awards/Trophies. The maximum amount that any rookie is eligible for an Individual B bonus is $2 million.

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Datsyuk started on the 4th line. He earned his way up.

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Datsyuk started on the 4th line. He earned his way up.
Datsyuk was 23 almost 24.

The point being, the years between draft and when they physically mature, and mentally mature are key in order for prospects to reach their full potential.

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I don't see a problem with Schenn's predominant role being 4th line center. I think he'll still see some PP and PK time.

Also, it's inevitable that they'll be injuries and line shuffling, so I think he'll see some occasional time in the top 9 or even the top 6.
If his cap hit were that of Trevor Lewis, I would agree with you. but it's not.

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05-24-2010, 01:29 PM
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Schenn's base salary is $900,000.

For forwards signing entry-level contracts, they are eligible to receive up to $212,500 in nine different Individual A statistical categories, but the bonus cannot exceed $850,000.
  1. Ice time (must be among top six to receive)
  2. Goals (20 goal minimum)
  3. Assists (35 assist minimum)
  4. Points (60 point minimum)
  5. Points Per Game (.73 minimum with no less than 42 games played)
  6. Plus-Minus (must be among top three on team)
  7. NHL All-Rookie Team
  8. NHL All-Star Game
  9. NHL All-Star Game MVP

Individual B bonuses are awarded for winning or being nominated for various NHL Awards/Trophies. The maximum amount that any rookie is eligible for an Individual B bonus is $2 million.
Very good information. Thanks Ziggy!

And just so that I fully understand, we only count Schenn's 900k against our cap and not the 3+ mil correct?

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05-24-2010, 01:36 PM
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All rookie bonuses ARE applied to the cap.

See Drew Doughty

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Not really. Reach isn't that huge of a factor when it comes to grappling; it's a strike specific term.

He fought Troy Brodie in the preseason.
You're assuming that they're always grappling, they're not. In many of the fights, each player has the grasp of the other at arms length and then throw with the available hand. That is where his reach comes into advantage.

First off, Bodie, is not a heavyweight. Besides, that fight was this year I believe. We're talking about last year when Simmonds was a rookie and only weighed 170+ lbs. He's closer to 200 lbs now so, Bodie is within his weight division.

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05-24-2010, 08:17 PM
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All rookie bonuses ARE applied to the cap.

See Drew Doughty
Yeah, but if they don't reach those bonuses the Kings get that much of a cushion at the end of the season.

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