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05-12-2010, 04:13 PM
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Oilers Top Line Next Year, Horcoff, Gagner, and Some Jordan Staal Thrown In FTW

This game should serve as a warning for those that want to go young by trading Hemsky, Penner, etc. You need the older guys with skill to shelter the young ones to an extent (nope, I dont think Hall needs sheltering).

Although, the flip side is that you let the kids stay together and grow together and they become awesome few years down the road.

But, then again, all those losses might take a toll on them.

hmm... Many ponderations.

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This game should serve as a warning for those that want to go young by trading Hemsky, Penner, etc. You need the older guys with skill to shelter the young ones to an extent (nope, I dont think Hall needs sheltering).

Although, the flip side is that you let the kids stay together and grow together and they become awesome few years down the road.

But, then again, all those losses might take a toll on them.

hmm... Many ponderations.
Penner and Hemsky are young guys...

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This game should serve as a warning for those that want to go young by trading Hemsky, Penner, etc. You need the older guys with skill to shelter the young ones to an extent (nope, I dont think Hall needs sheltering).

Although, the flip side is that you let the kids stay together and grow together and they become awesome few years down the road.

But, then again, all those losses might take a toll on them.

hmm... Many ponderations.
OT but i dont agree with this... Hall is not going to slide right into our top line and start producing.. Eberle is more NHL ready then Hall and even he can use some more time in the AHL and would go for streches between scoring in the NHL..

Hall would require some sort of sheltering next season... behind Penenr in the LW depth or will need someone like Horcoff as his C on the top line.

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky would not be a good 'top line' IMO.

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This game should serve as a warning for those that want to go young by trading Hemsky, Penner, etc. You need the older guys with skill to shelter the young ones to an extent (nope, I dont think Hall needs sheltering).

Although, the flip side is that you let the kids stay together and grow together and they become awesome few years down the road.

But, then again, all those losses might take a toll on them.

hmm... Many ponderations.
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OT but i dont agree with this... Hall is not going to slide right into our top line and start producing.. Eberle is more NHL ready then Hall and even he can use some more time in the AHL and would go for streches between scoring in the NHL..

Hall would require some sort of sheltering next season... behind Penenr in the LW depth or will need someone like Horcoff as his C on the top line.

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky would not be a good 'top line' IMO.
This is wishful thinking at best. I don't see it being anything more. If Penner of Hemmer aren't traded, I can almost guarantee that next years top line will be:

Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky

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Penner and Hemsky are young guys...
I see what you're trying to do there but no they are not young guys. If memory serves me both will be 27 going into next season, I could be a little off but I know I'm in the ballpark and 27 years old does not a young hockey player make. Especially when compared to the types of players that the original poster was referring to that will all be around the 19-22 range.

Dealing with maturity of both hockey sense and their bodies there is a big difference between someone who is in their mid to late twenties and been in the league for 5 or more years and someone who is just starting out.

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This is wishful thinking at best. I don't see it being anything more. If Penner of Hemmer aren't traded, I can almost guarantee that next years top line will be:

Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
That SHOULD be the top line, but considering Quinn didn't play them together last year, and how well 18-10-34 performed down the streatch as a checking line, I highly doubt we'll see Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky together as a line for any extended period of time next year either.

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That SHOULD be the top line, but considering Quinn didn't play them together last year, and how well 18-10-34 performed down the streatch as a checking line, I highly doubt we'll see Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky together as a line for any extended period of time next year either.
Horcoff will be put on a checking line in our bottom six with a UFA, Shawn Thornton type(I've used him twice to describe the perfect player we need for super cheap) type signing. That or be the second line Centre behind Gagner. One of those two scenarios are what I'm set on.

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Penner and Hemsky are young guys...
I know Hemsky and Penner are young, but havent you read some of the trade proposals? A few posters on here want to trade Hemsky and Penner in the hope of drafting Hall and Seguin and rolling with guys that are basically < 25 years old. I am saying you need young vets (Hemsky and Penner) on the team.

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OT but i dont agree with this... Hall is not going to slide right into our top line and start producing.. Eberle is more NHL ready then Hall and even he can use some more time in the AHL and would go for streches between scoring in the NHL..

Hall would require some sort of sheltering next season... behind Penenr in the LW depth or will need someone like Horcoff as his C on the top line.

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky would not be a good 'top line' IMO.
Fair enough, I should have said that he doesnt need full on sheltering. He probably can handle most of his time on the second line. If there are injuries, he can slot in to the top line and get prime PP time.

I think Hall-Gagner-Hemsky would be a decent line. Then again, JMO.

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This is wishful thinking at best. I don't see it being anything more. If Penner of Hemmer aren't traded, I can almost guarantee that next years top line will be:

Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky
Fail. Penner-Gagner-Hemsky

Quinn views Horcoff as third line/bottom six material. MacT on the other hand would like your line minus Hemsky and Penner. Add Pisani and Moreau.

After seeing PGH in early season action. I know this chemistry will be explored in an attempt to exploit in early season play.

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That SHOULD be the top line, but considering Quinn didn't play them together last year, and how well 18-10-34 performed down the streatch as a checking line, I highly doubt we'll see Penner-Horcoff-Hemsky together as a line for any extended period of time next year either.
I don't think that line played well together at all... they were often badly overmatched.

And as much as Horcoff got his teeth kicked in by the percentages in the first half, he benefitted from them in the last quarter.

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Fail. Penner-Gagner-Hemsky

Quinn views Horcoff as third line/bottom six material. MacT on the other hand would like your line minus Hemsky and Penner. Add Pisani and Moreau.
Yet despite all that, Horcoff lead all forwards in icetime (typical of a 1st line centre) under Quinn and Quinn was the one who put Pisani and Moreau on his line while MacT most often used Hemsky and Penner as Horcoff's wingers his last 2 years.

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This game should serve as a warning for those that want to go young by trading Hemsky, Penner, etc. You need the older guys with skill to shelter the young ones to an extent (nope, I dont think Hall needs sheltering).

Although, the flip side is that you let the kids stay together and grow together and they become awesome few years down the road.

But, then again, all those losses might take a toll on them.

hmm... Many ponderations.
They need Hall AND Seguin more, so I would either or both of Penner and Hemsky to make that happen.

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Yet despite all that, Horcoff lead all forwards in icetime (typical of a 1st line centre) under Quinn and Quinn was the one who put Pisani and Moreau on his line while MacT most often used Hemsky and Penner as Horcoff's wingers his last 2 years.
You're right Quinn did do that, in a checking line scenario. Not top scoring line.

I was mocking MacT in the sense that he would use them in the scoring role.

Horcoff can log top minutes on the PK and shutting down the opponents top line. Certainly not suiting up as the top C with Penner and Hemmer. That is simply a waste of talent. The three will not be seen together.

The immediate success of Penner Gagner Hemsky must be acknowledged and used again.

Horcoff may eat mins but only in the bottom six, look at his atrocious minus 29 last year. Please, not again.


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Let's not re-write history here. Penner-Gagner-Hemsky looked good for like two games, then did nothing afterward until they were broken up.

They should definitely be the forward group for the #1 powerplay unit, but as one of our 4 forawrd lines, they've always carried the play more when Horcoff was in the middle.

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Let's not re-write history here. Penner-Gagner-Hemsky looked good for like two games, then did nothing afterward until they were broken up.

They should definitely be the forward group for the #1 powerplay unit, but as one of our 4 forawrd lines, they've always carried the play more when Horcoff was in the middle.
He had 36pts and was tied for second worse +/- in the entire league. He wont be seeing the first line anytime soon. Nor should he. The only way he sees the first line again is if Mactavish is re-hired.

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Let's not re-write history here. Penner-Gagner-Hemsky looked good for like two games, then did nothing afterward until they were broken up.

They should definitely be the forward group for the #1 powerplay unit, but as one of our 4 forawrd lines, they've always carried the play more when Horcoff was in the middle.
I do think Penner played well with Hemsky. Maybe put them with Brule?

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They need Hall AND Seguin more, so I would either or both of Penner and Hemsky to make that happen.
They don't need older expensive vets like Hemsky and Penner to help shelter the kids. That is where they need to go out and sign older vets like Laperierre(sp?), Lang, Weight, Guerin. No point in keeping $4m+ players around jsut because they are vets unless they are fully on board with rebuild.

Since there were issues last season with Quinn calling out Hemsky to be a mentor to the younger kids, I don't see how he is a positive to the position of being a vet mentor as some have talked about. Like I said unless of course management and/or coaches have sat down with Hemmer and he has changed his tune. Something tells me that Hemmer is drooling at the thought of playing with MPS.

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He had 36pts and was tied for second worse +/- in the entire league. He wont be seeing the first line anytime soon. Nor should he. The only way he sees the first line again is if Mactavish is re-hired.
Jordan Staal has never had 50 points in a single season on one of the best offensive teams in hockey, yet you're starting threads saying we should trade both Hemsky (our best player) and Cogliano for him. See how stupid it is to use point totals to prove anything?

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Jordan Staal has never had 50 points in a single season on one of the best offensive teams in hockey, yet you're starting threads saying we should trade both Hemsky (our best player) and Cogliano for him. See how stupid it is to use point totals to prove anything?
Liquor like to use point total to his advantage. Cherry picking really.

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I do think Penner played well with Hemsky. Maybe put them with Brule?
Yes, thanks for saying Brule since it seems that Gagner is the second coming of Jesus according to most Oiler fans and that Brule is trade fodder, Penner played his best with Brule while Gagner was just a passenger to Penner and Hemsky.

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He had 36pts and was tied for second worse +/- in the entire league. He wont be seeing the first line anytime soon. Nor should he. The only way he sees the first line again is if Mactavish is re-hired.
I'd rather have Brule centering Penner and Hemsky than any other current center that we have. Depending on who we draft 1st overall, I could see Brule starting the year as the #1 center unless Gagner has upped his game come training camp.

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I'd rather have Brule centering Penner and Hemsky than any other current center that we have. Depending on who we draft 1st overall, I could see Brule starting the year as the #1 center unless Gagner has upped his game come training camp.
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Just kidding, but ya Brule and Penner have played really well together and I agree that they should start together.

A line of Hall-Gagner-Eberle would be nice to see as well. But if Gagner still hasn't made much progress it might not be good to put the guy with two rookies. I still think Eberle will start the year in OKC.

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Jordan Staal has never had 50 points in a single season on one of the best offensive teams in hockey, yet you're starting threads saying we should trade both Hemsky (our best player) and Cogliano for him. See how stupid it is to use point totals to prove anything?
Jordan Staal is 22, scoring 49 pts for the last two seasons playing a checking line role with very little pp time.

Horcoff is 32. He hasnt scored more than 53pts in over four years, playing primarily on the first line and first pp unit.

Can you see the difference?

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