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06-04-2011, 05:06 PM
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Mike Trout is going to be so so awesome.

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I really think this kid is going to be dynamite.

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Offseason ankle surgeries and a sore shoulder limiting Rendon to DH-ing this year done it for Pirates I reckon. Cole is the right pick for Pirates IMO. Dont get me wrong though, Mariners could be getting a special player in Rendon. Imagine the infield of Smoak (1B), Ackley (2B), Franklin (SS) and Rendon (3B), that could be crazy good.

Cole-Rendon-Hultzen should be the 1-2-3. Six months ago Hultzen was thought of as a Deck McGuire type of pick. A guy with limited upside (middle of the rotation) but also a guy who wont need much time in minors. Since then he's added few ticks on the radar gun and now comfortably sits in mid 90s. Very good control (148:17 K/BB ratio this season). Doesnt have the upside of Cole, Bundy and co but should be a very good pitcher. Could be the 1st player in majors out of this draft class.

It'll be ineresting to see which way Baltimore goes. Dylan Bundy would be my guess but dont know if O's will gamble on a high school pitcher. Hobgood (2009) hasn't worked out as well they hoped so far. They may go with a college pitcher like Barnes.

KC picks at #5 and local boy Bubba Starling may be hard to pass up. They'll need to pony up to sign him. May be tempted to go with someone like Lindor (SS). He's Many Machado-Lite.

Gray, Bauer, Jungmann wont be far behind.

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06-06-2011, 05:36 PM
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I get that Cole has the arm, the meausurables, etc franchises covet but Bauer is flat out a better pitcher than him and I don't see much changing that in the pros. That's why I don't understand Cole being drafted 1st overall when he's not even the best pitching prospect on his college team.

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06-06-2011, 07:01 PM
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College/minor numbers =/= MLB projectability

Cole's stuff is twice what Bauer's is. Bauer is a damn good prospect, but his ceiling isn't as high as Cole's and his stuff isn't that projectable to the Majors.


Cole is the best pitcher in the draft, period. I've been very pro-Rendon throughout all of this, but Cole is the only player I'd be willing to waver on. As long as the Pirates stick with one of those two I'd be happy.


Hultzen is a damn fine prospect as well, but he's just too reminiscent of Bryan Bullington for most Pirates fans to accept at #1...and the backlash of going 'safe' with the 1st overall pick would result in an absurd public backlash against the team...even if he is a damn fine prospect himself. Pirates fans pay close attention to the drafting process. Danny Moskos's selection was enough to cost just about everyone in the organization their jobs...and that was just David Littlefield being the ****ing moron that he always was (not even a money decision...Moskos was paid well over slot).

Within a calender year the Pirates will have added Jameson Taillon, Stetson Allie, Luis Heredia, and Garret Cole. All have ace potential. Even if only two of them do anything that's two more top-end starters that the Pirates will have since Doug Drabek. To say nothing of the bevy of arms with #3-4 potential throughout the system. Pitching won't be a problem for the Pirates going forward...and they're the most valuable commodities in baseball.

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06-06-2011, 07:09 PM
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Pirates pitching is nasty.

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06-06-2011, 07:12 PM
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I've watched both pitchers extensively, especially last year in the CWS and this year down the stretch, and I have seen nothing that says Cole is a better prospect except for measureables and a faster fastball which could be more projectable to the majors, but that is about it. Cole's stuff is nowhere near "twice what Bauer's is", that's just laughable to anyone who has watched them. If that were true, his numbers wouldn't have been blown out of the water by Bauer's this year. I know stats aren't the end-all-be-all for college players, but the discrepancy is so wide in this case that it definitely means something. If Bauer were 2 inches taller with 20-30 more lbs. on his frame, he would be considered the best prospect between the two.

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06-06-2011, 07:17 PM
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My friend who is as hardcore a Mariners fan as you can be is heated about this pick.

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Love it -- the Mariners shake up the draft with the second pick. In 2013, they could have Felix, Pineda, Hultzen anchoring their rotation.
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06-06-2011, 07:20 PM
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Bauer 3rd, Rendon could go 4th to O's.

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06-06-2011, 07:22 PM
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Shocking so far.

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My friend who is as hardcore a Mariners fan as you can be is heated about this pick.
Not sure why. Seattle must have thought Hultzen was BPA. Given how many top draft picks in baseball bust, you have to go with BPA without considering needs, always. Fill needs in free agency.

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#orioles will not take Anthony Rendon at #4 #mlbdraft
Are the Orioles dumb?

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06-06-2011, 07:23 PM
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The Royals are gonna get Rendon, ****.

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06-06-2011, 07:25 PM
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Lot of teams are scared about Rendon's medical history.

O's selct Dylan Bundy.

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Braves Jr. franchise gets the guy the Braves drafted in the 27th overall in 2008. No surprise there. Always copying our moves and signing our organization's retreads.

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Rendon falling down the board. Those injury concerns are starting to look like more than just concerns.


And saying Cole has twice the stuff that Bauer has was definite hyperbole on my part. I've seen Cole pitch three times and Bauer twice. I like Bauer, I love Cole. Granted I haven't seen any of Cole's bad games yet, but it appears his lesser season was because of his delivery being changed. He's had success with a Roy Halladay-esque delivery before and as soon as he starts working with the Pirates that's right back where his delivery is going to go. The Pirates tweaked the hell out of Charlie Morton's delivery over the off-season, changing it to, get this, the Roy Halladay motion. That's worked out fairly well so far.

Cole is pretty damn close to Major League ready, too. Being the #1 pick and a Boras client I don't expect him to sign in time to do much this season (being a college arm I can see him being thrown in for 3-4 starts in West Virginia, last year Taillon's late signing meant the Pirates just put him in extended Spring Training, but he was a high school arm). I expect Cole will be in Pittsburgh two years from now, which puts his ETA ahead of Taillon. The other Pirates pitching studs are more long-term projects (Allie's ETA is 2014 at best case...Heredia just turned 17 and probably won't even be playing minor league ball until next year).

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06-06-2011, 07:30 PM
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LOL Bubba Starling

Rendon FALLS FURTHER

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Arizona is gonna end up with Bauer and Rendon.

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"#nationals look like they will stop the Rendon slide #mlbdraft"

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I definitely think Cole is going to be a good pitcher in the MLB. I just think Bauer, despite being less of a physical specimen and having less of a live arm, is going to be better. Cole has all the physical tools in a pitcher you would want while Bauer has the better mental tools (but still has tons of physical ability himself). Bauer just seems to be more advanced in his approach to pitching, while Cole still seems to get by on physical ability alone. He's not going to be able to do that as easily in the pros.

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Man, if the Expos got half the breaks the Nats have gotten with the draft these past few years they'd be playing to a filled Olympic Stadium right now.

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"#nationals look like they will stop the Rendon slide #mlbdraft"
Nats are so lucky to have been a horrible franchise for so long and be rewarded with all these top prospects.

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"Got word: #Diamondbacks getting Archie Bradley at 7. That's a pretty incredible arm at 7. #mlbdraft"

K, gonna watch something else now.

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A ****ing shortstop?? damn it. Take a pitcher we have Asdrubal.

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Never draft for need in the MLB Draft. Lindor is one of my favorite prospects in the draft.

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