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05-15-2010, 03:11 PM
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All-Time Dirty All-star team

This is basically a sitting on the toilet idea (arent they the greatest?) but anyway.

The point is to put together an All-star team containing only dirty players BUT they must still be able to play on the line you assign them to. So no Averys or Carcillos on the first line as well as no Messiers on the fourth line. It should still be a competent team.

Heres my team:

Clarke - Messier - Howe
Lindsay - Linseman - C. Lemieux
Tucker - Dale Hunter - J. Lemieux
Schultz - Risebrough - Brown

Pronger - Shore
Pilon - Suter
Samuelsson - Marchment


Billy Smith
Ron Hextall

Coach: Keenan
Ass: Crawford and Ferguson

Revised team:

Clarke - Messier - Howe
Lindsay - Linseman - C. Lemieux
Tucker - Dale Hunter - Tikkanen
Schultz - Risebrough - Brown
Domi

Chelios - Shore
Pronger - Cleghorn
Suter - Marchment
Samuelsson


Billy Smith
Ron Hextall

Coach: Keenan
Ass: Crawford and Ferguson

To all people who wants a player on a roster spot please tell me why you want him there and who he should replace. Don't just say names.


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B.Clarke is by far the biggest fook that ever stepped onto NHL ice, he should be the first line center.

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This is basically a sitting on the toilet idea (arent they the greatest?) but anyway.

The point is to put together an All-star team containing only dirty players BUT they must still be able to play on the line you assign them to. So no Averys or Carcillos on the first line as well as no Messiers on the fourth line. It should still be a competent team.

Heres my team:

Clarke - Messier - Howe
Lindsay - Linseman - C. Lemieux
Tucker - Dale Hunter - J. Lemieux
Schultz - Risebrough - Brown

Pronger - Shore
Pilon - Suter
Samuelsson - Marchment


Billy Smith
Ron Hextall

Coach: Keenan
Ass: Crawford and Ferguson
???
Jocelyn Lemieux?

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Jocelyn Lemieux?
That was my first reaction too.

There has to be room on the team for Sprague Cleghorn, clinically insane by my reckoning, and possibly Doug Harvey, who usually got more than even. Larry Zeidel and Howie Young also probably deserve to start ahead of some of the more recent folks on the blue line.

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Tomas Sandstrom should be on here too, he's one of my favorite players ever but theres a reason Chelios bit him.

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Matt Cooke anyone?

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I'd find a way to work Bert Olmstead onto the team. Heck, he was called "Dirty Bertie", and apparently loved the leg-whip so much that Doug Harvey told him to knock it off. When he did it again, Harvey speared him in the stomach badly enough that Olmstead required last rites.

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This is basically a sitting on the toilet idea (arent they the greatest?) but anyway.

The point is to put together an All-star team containing only dirty players BUT they must still be able to play on the line you assign them to. So no Averys or Carcillos on the first line as well as no Messiers on the fourth line. It should still be a competent team.

Heres my team:

Clarke - Messier - Howe
Lindsay - Linseman - C. Lemieux
Tucker - Dale Hunter - J. Lemieux
Schultz - Risebrough - Brown

Pronger - Shore
Pilon - Suter
Samuelsson - Marchment


Billy Smith
Ron Hextall

Coach: Keenan
Ass: Crawford and Ferguson
Sprague Cleghorn called and he is going to kick your *** for not including him, lol.


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I'd find a way to work Bert Olmstead onto the team. Heck, he was called "Dirty Bertie", and apparently loved the leg-whip so much that Doug Harvey told him to knock it off. When he did it again, Harvey speared him in the stomach badly enough that Olmstead required last rites.
Having Dirty Bertie on the 3rd line doesn't make any sense, though.

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I'd find a way to work Bert Olmstead onto the team. Heck, he was called "Dirty Bertie", and apparently loved the leg-whip so much that Doug Harvey told him to knock it off. When he did it again, Harvey speared him in the stomach badly enough that Olmstead required last rites.
I think you have your players mixed up. It was Red sullivan who was speared by Harvey

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any team without Gary Roberts can not be serious.,,but honestly, he needs to be there.

Domi also comes to my mind, but not sure, if he was really that dirty...

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I'd find a way to work Bert Olmstead onto the team. Heck, he was called "Dirty Bertie", and apparently loved the leg-whip so much that Doug Harvey told him to knock it off. When he did it again, Harvey speared him in the stomach badly enough that Olmstead required last rites.
It was Red Sullivan of the Rangers was speared by Doug Harvey and ruptured his spleen. Bert Olmstead was Harvey's teamate for eight years.

Um, disregard.......pappyline passed that along.

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Chris Chelios anyone? Come on, any team without Chelios on it is not the all-time dirty team. I know we have to keep players in their normal roles, and Chelios should anchor the first pairing with Shore. There have been few players in history as dirty and as physically dominant as Chelios was during his prime. Pronger is a poor man's Chelios; he isn't as dirty and he's not as physically feared. If a defenseman can score over 70 points and win the Norris while racking up an obscene 282 PIM, he is something beyond physically intimidating.

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any team without Gary Roberts can not be serious.,,but honestly, he needs to be there.

Domi also comes to my mind, but not sure, if he was really that dirty...
Domi was more dirty than Tucker, but that may just be me.

Elbow on Neids should cement Domi there.

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Both Domi and Cleghorn were concidered. Roberts is a kitten compared to the top6 wingers sorry.

Domi was first on the 4th line but I decided Brown was a dirtier. Schultz is a no brainer. Tucker could get substituted for Cleghorn.

Chelios was dirty sure but I felt that Pronger was more of a "now Im gonan injure this guy"-player. But maybe Chelios would be a better choice.

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Tomas Sandstrom should be on here too, he's one of my favorite players ever but theres a reason Chelios bit him.
Where would you put him? He is a top6 guy and he wasnt as dirty as the guys I have there.

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Both Domi and Cleghorn were concidered. Roberts is a kitten compared to the top6 wingers sorry.

Domi was first on the 4th line but I decided Brown was a dirtier. Schultz is a no brainer. Tucker could get substituted for Cleghorn.

Chelios was dirty sure but I felt that Pronger was more of a "now Im gonan injure this guy"-player. But maybe Chelios would be a better choice.
Cleghorn was considered?

Who in the history of professional hockey has ever been as dirty or violent as Cleghorn?

He viciously and purposefully injured players. In an particularly violent age of the game he was the most violent of all. Hitting players in the head with his stick was practically common for him. With police action involved on more than one occasion.

In one series he injured four Senator players - Cy Denneny, Frank Nighbor, Tommy Gorman and Eddie Gerard, and the league made moves to try and ban him for life.

....oh....and he was a Hall of Fame talent.......

Any "Dirty All-Star Team" without him is pointless.

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Cleghorn was considered?

Who in the history of professional hockey has ever been as dirty or violent as Cleghorn?

He viciously and purposefully injured players. In an particularly violent age of the game he was the most violent of all. Hitting players in the head with his stick was practically common for him. With police action involved on more than one occasion.

In one series he injured four Senator players - Cy Denneny, Frank Nighbor, Tommy Gorman and Eddie Gerard, and the league made moves to try and ban him for life.

....oh....and he was a Hall of Fame talent.......

Any "Dirty All-Star Team" without him is pointless.
Well I tried to not use people from pre-expansion as it was already such a violent era so you could just fill your team with them. But Lindsay and Shore were such remarkable players to ignore. I put Cleghorn instead of Tucker as I see he could take on a 3rd line roll.

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Well I tried to not use people from pre-expansion as it was already such a violent era so you could just fill your team with them. But Lindsay and Shore were such remarkable players to ignore. I put Cleghorn instead of Tucker as I see he could take on a 3rd line roll.
Cleghorn is a defenseman.... and a very, very good one....

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Cleghorn is a defenseman.... and a very, very good one....
I dont know where my head is today... I know who cleghorn is...

Cleghorn got in instead of Suter.

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Marty McSorley, Chris Simon, and Todd Bertuzzi are notably absent from the OP's team.

Guys like Derian Hatcher, Brad May, Shayne Corson, and Esa Tikkanen deserve some mention as well.

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McSorley and Bertuzzi? Neither was dirty enough to even come close to making this team. They are well-known for each having been involved in one extremely high-profile incident, but aside from that, they did not have careers that would be considered nearly dirty enough to make this team.

McSorley played a tough style and did often toe the line between dirty and questionable, but this team is not about the guys that toed that line. Otherwise Scott Stevens would be on it. Other than his stick-work on Brashear, he was really not an overly dirty player. Tough? Yes, he was one of the greatest heavyweights of all-time. But he was no dirtier than the average player of his era.

Todd Bertuzzi should be nowhere near this team.

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Marty McSorley, Chris Simon, and Todd Bertuzzi are notably absent from the OP's team.

Guys like Derian Hatcher, Brad May, Shayne Corson, and Esa Tikkanen deserve some mention as well.
Hatcher is a top4 defenseman but isnt skilled nor dirty enough to remove my top4.

May, Tikkanen and Shayne Corson has the same problems. Do you really think that May is dirtier than Schultz?

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I think you have your players mixed up. It was Red sullivan who was speared by Harvey
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It was Red Sullivan of the Rangers was speared by Doug Harvey and ruptured his spleen. Bert Olmstead was Harvey's teamate for eight years.

Um, disregard.......pappyline passed that along.
This is what happens when I work off of memory. I think the story was that Sullivan kicked Olmstead's skates, and Harvey told Sullivan to knock it off. When Sullivan did it again, Harvey speared him.

I know the story is in one of the books littering my bookshelf, the floor, the bedroom, or the office....I just don't know where the book is.

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Get rid of all the no-skill goons and replace them with guys who can actually play.

Black Jack Stewart and Joe Hall on defense.

Tony Leswick, Mario Tremblay, Esa Tikkanen, Dave Trottier, and Cully Wilson up front.

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