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05-15-2010, 08:13 PM
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Korpikoski first year...

So how was he? I thought he'd bring more offense. At least he brought the strong defensive game and great speed.
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I as well thought he would bring more offense, but the whole team kind of lacked in that regard. Early on in the season he had trouble finding a role on the coyotes, and eventually settled into a sort of a PK specialist which he did a fantastic job of. I see him one day become a solid two way player with 35-40pt upside. A great 3rd liner, but an average 2nd liner. Someone in the mold of Sergei Brylin in terms of importance to a team. I'm one of his bigger fans though, i'm curious how you fell about him. What do you envision Korpikoski becoming?

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Korpedo came in and did exactly what I thought he would do which makes me happy. Guy works hard every shift and is turning himself into a pretty solid PKer...a role guy which every team needs. His value in the shootout this season was pretty big this season. He is one of the quieter guys on the team and isn't flashy but he gets the job done which is good in my book. I kind of wish he could score more but what he has given so far has been good. Unfortunately the Coyotes have alot of guys like him.

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I as well thought he would bring more offense, but the whole team kind of lacked in that regard. Early on in the season he had trouble finding a role on the coyotes, and eventually settled into a sort of a PK specialist which he did a fantastic job of. I see him one day become a solid two way player with 35-40pt upside. A great 3rd liner, but an average 2nd liner. Someone in the mold of Sergei Brylin in terms of importance to a team. I'm one of his bigger fans though, i'm curious how you fell about him. What do you envision Korpikoski becoming?
Thx for the review. I was a pretty big fan of Korpikoski when he was here on the East. Loved the speed, loved the defensive awareness. I thought he had the offensive skill set to be a Sami Kapanen type player if he could develop his offensive game, because he was so good defensively coming up he played in higher leagues as a defensive specialist instead of developing his offensive skill set at a more appropriate level.

A Sergei Brylan type, is still incredibly good. I'll make sure to watch him more next season.

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Thx for the review. I was a pretty big fan of Korpikoski when he was here on the East. Loved the speed, loved the defensive awareness. I thought he had the offensive skill set to be a Sami Kapanen type player if he could develop his offensive game, because he was so good defensively coming up he played in higher leagues as a defensive specialist instead of developing his offensive skill set at a more appropriate level.

A Sergei Brylan type, is still incredibly good. I'll make sure to watch him more next season.
I think he has the tools to become more effective on offense, he just needs to gain some confidence. Not sure if he's afraid to get aggressive in the offensive zone because he knows he's relied on heavily on defense, and doesn't want to get caught in too deep. But he has the speed to make up for it so I hope they'll work on his aggressiveness with the puck.

I liked the deal for Lisin, and I like it even more now.

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Thx for the review. I was a pretty big fan of Korpikoski when he was here on the East. Loved the speed, loved the defensive awareness. I thought he had the offensive skill set to be a Sami Kapanen type player if he could develop his offensive game, because he was so good defensively coming up he played in higher leagues as a defensive specialist instead of developing his offensive skill set at a more appropriate level.
You're very welcome. I seem to remember Korpikoski putting up some good numbers in Hartford. At least he has shown he can put up points at that level. The defensive game is there, just waiting for the offense to come around. Or more specifically, his confidence with the puck.

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I think he has the tools to become more effective on offense, he just needs to gain some confidence. Not sure if he's afraid to get aggressive in the offensive zone because he knows he's relied on heavily on defense, and doesn't want to get caught in too deep. But he has the speed to make up for it so I hope they'll work on his aggressiveness with the puck.

I liked the deal for Lisin, and I like it even more now.
I saw him make several good hits in the offensive zone this year. So there's no doubt in my mind he can be more aggressive if need be. With his speed though it would be nice if he could be more of a breakaway threat too.

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I was a little disappointed in his speed, I don't think he is as fast as Lisin at all. I also don't understand why he can't seem to score more considering his speed (he's fast, just not Lisin fast) and that wicked wrist shot of his. Like RR mentioned, maybe it's a confidence issue, I'm not sure. At the moment I just don't think he has the drive to score, he has the tools but not the will.

He's been excellent on the penalty kill though and very valuable in shootouts. While I was one that criticized the trade of Lisin, I have not really been disappointed in Korpi. I was hoping for more offense but he found a role here and has made it work. I don't think he has Lisin's offensive upside but Lisin certainly doesn't have his defensive upside! Simply put, if Lisin doesn't blossom offensively, he won't make in the NHL where as Korpi has the defense to stick already along with an outside chance of turning into a decent two way player.

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I saw him make several good hits in the offensive zone this year. So there's no doubt in my mind he can be more aggressive if need be. With his speed though it would be nice if he could be more of a breakaway threat too.
I was referring to aggressive in terms of shooting and driving to the net. He's defensively responsible everywhere on the ice. I just think when he gets inside the blueline he's thinking defense first, and forgets how well he can handle the puck, pass, shoot, and skate. It's like he's afraid to try and do much with the puck for fear of not being able to get back on D if the puck is turned over.

He has plenty of speed, and getting back should be the least of his worries. And you're also right about being a breakaway threat, but that also comes back to that D-first mentality. Seems whenever he gets the puck his first instinct is to pass rather than use hi speed to lead the charge up ice.

Still, I like him a lot. And don't miss Lisin at all.

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I'm not sold on his having what it takes to put up NHL numbers. Good PKer. If he grows more heart, he could be a Tjarnqvist. If he figures out what it takes to score, maybe more of a Dvorak. If he doesn't get quite a bit better in any area, he's not long for this league.

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I was a little disappointed in his speed, I don't think he is as fast as Lisin at all. I also don't understand why he can't seem to score more considering his speed (he's fast, just not Lisin fast) and that wicked wrist shot of his. Like RR mentioned, maybe it's a confidence issue, I'm not sure. At the moment I just don't think he has the drive to score, he has the tools but not the will.

He's been excellent on the penalty kill though and very valuable in shootouts. While I was one that criticized the trade of Lisin, I have not really been disappointed in Korpi. I was hoping for more offense but he found a role here and has made it work. I don't think he has Lisin's offensive upside but Lisin certainly doesn't have his defensive upside! Simply put, if Lisin doesn't blossom offensively, he won't make in the NHL where as Korpi has the defense to stick already along with an outside chance of turning into a decent two way player.
Lisin has a gear that few in the league can touch. His acceleration is incredible, but he only knew how to use it one way, which was North. Honestly there is only one team in the league I can see Lisin succeeding on, and that's Washington. Korpikoski is fast but he is also very aware of himself positionally. A few strides and he's where he needs to be, having that good active stick.

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Lisin was put on waivers by the Rangers. We got a serviceable bottom 6 guy who does a lot of good things for a one-dimensional player who will likely find a permanent home in the KHL. Korpi showed flashes of scoring (two two-goal games lol), but doesn't need to score to keep a roster spot (though it'd be nice if he could produce more). There's a reason Tippett puts him out there in all situations, notably late in hockey games when defending a lead. He doesn't make many costly mistakes.

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I'm not sold on his having what it takes to put up NHL numbers. Good PKer. If he grows more heart, he could be a Tjarnqvist. If he figures out what it takes to score, maybe more of a Dvorak. If he doesn't get quite a bit better in any area, he's not long for this league.
Oh man, imagine how much he would succeed playing in our current system?

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OK, I'm gonna say it. Tjanrqvist = overrated on this board.

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Oh man, imagine how much he would succeed playing in our current system?
I would take him over Winnik.

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OK, I'm gonna say it. Tjanrqvist = overrated on this board.
How was the guy overrated? He was a PK demon, and sacrificed his body on a nightly basis. I loved his time here. If anyone got overrated, it's Lisin.

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Korpikoski has 20 points, and is a minus TWENTY [20], over the past two seasons.

Not worth wasting a post . At 24 yrs. of age, despite some sporadic flash , not worth the time discussing.
Maloney can find a low salaried replacement for this failure. The stats speak for his failure to produce.

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Production is not the end all be all of effectiveness. Different plaers have different roles.

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Agreed, but, the "role" of PP production by the Coyotes, is worst in the nhl. There are quite a few Coyote players that fill Korpikoski's role in a more productive manner. -20 over a two season period is unacceptable for any team role which finished with 107 points--unless you want to go back to the past failed seasons, whereby lots of " minuses" at minimum salary were the 'accepted rule.'

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How was the guy overrated? He was a PK demon, and sacrificed his body on a nightly basis. I loved his time here. If anyone got overrated, it's Lisin.
I agree with everything you said. I was practically thrilled when we got Korpi for Lisin.

I don't know where my sentiment about Tjarnqvist comes from. I don't know if it's because he another Sjostrom, and Sjostrom gets swept under the rug around here, if only for the reason that we expected so much more out of him. Meanwhile, a 30 year old 4th liner gets pined over.

Granted, we can always use players like him. We're gonna have to get one this summer, but it's just odd his name keeps getting brought up like he was "the one that got away".

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Agreed, but, the "role" of PP production by the Coyotes, is worst in the nhl. There are quite a few Coyote players that fill Korpikoski's role in a more productive manner. -20 over a two season period is unacceptable for any team role which finished with 107 points--unless you want to go back to the past failed seasons, whereby lots of " minuses" at minimum salary were the 'accepted rule.'
You keep citing his plus/minus like anyone cares about it. I watch him play hockey and I know he's good defensively. Plus/minus is nearly meaningless.

What does Korpikoski have to do with the PP? The PK is good, and he contributes to that. You seem to believe that we have more PKers than we do. Fiddler and Hanzal at center, with Korpikoski and Winnik at wing. Who else? A bit of Doan and perhaps Lombardi now and again? I don't want Nokelainen hanging around. You think Korpikoski is one-dimmensional? Noke has NEVER put up ANY numbers at ANY level.

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Unfortunately unless GMDM can pull some magic at the draft or unless we just waive him, the Nokster is on the books for another year.

Korpi plays good defense and I think may be another Upshall in that he finds his game at the age of 25/26...I loved Lisin, but Korpi fills a role this team needs and he does have some potential to produce more points. Lisin unfortunately was never going to play 2-way hockey and therefore as some suggested, unless Washington needs a winger it appears he's destined for KHL.

Korpi's +/- would look better if he wasn't out there saving Jovo all the time

I'm really hoping GMDM can unload Nokster and Vandermeer, Tikhonov should be able to step into a PK role and provide a suitable winger for Fiddler on the 4th line.

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I agree with everything you said. I was practically thrilled when we got Korpi for Lisin.

I don't know where my sentiment about Tjarnqvist comes from. I don't know if it's because he another Sjostrom, and Sjostrom gets swept under the rug around here, if only for the reason that we expected so much more out of him. Meanwhile, a 30 year old 4th liner gets pined over.

Granted, we can always use players like him. We're gonna have to get one this summer, but it's just odd his name keeps getting brought up like he was "the one that got away".
I feel like it's because people really appreciated the effort he put forth on a consistent basis. Qvist was never going to put up a bunch of points, but I felt like his defense was above average despite his skill set. He seemed like a true professional and was well liked in the locker room. I must say, I was disappointed when we didn't resign him. Last legit shot blocker we had.

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Players like Tjarnqvist win you cups. You can't just throw a pile of 20 goal scorers at a roster and make it work. You need jam and heart. I think Winnik and Pyatt both should go, or Pyatt at least kept on a very tight leash. Neither of them brought it as hard or as constantly as Noke and Korpikoski did.

I think Tikonen can play the switch so I'd like to see

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Stempniak's asking price will be lower
Lombardi we can sign short term
Upshall is an RFA so in our favor. Same with Wolski.

I have no reservations of sticking Turris in the top 6. I think he will make it just fine. Maybe not a breakout season, but he will be at least as useful as Lombardi. And remember that the Lombardi - Upshall combo is what got this entire ball rolling, and without those two together on a line this is a different team. A much crappier team. If you retain everyone, add in a normal year for Wolski, a full year of the 3 20 somethings, and a serviceable to breakout year for Turris I think we do just fine in the offense department.

If Upshall or Wolski don't work out, you can slot MacLean in. If Stempniak bombs you can bump Tikonen to the top 6. With the kids we have options, but I think keeping the roster together is the best bet. We will probably be getting discounts on Morris and Aucoin, dump Vandermeer, possibly Noke if you can package him. I think Prucha and Korpikoski have earned their right to stay.

We've got a lot of depth and pieces at play. When is the last time, legitimately, it was hard to fill out a roster? There's just not enough spaces to go around and I think that's by design. The dogfight on defense will be especially ferocious come camp time. At the same time, we don't have a budget set and so Maloney has no idea as to what he can and cannot do at the moment. He can only guess.

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Players like Tjarnqvist win you cups. You can't just throw a pile of 20 goal scorers at a roster and make it work. You need jam and heart. I think Winnik and Pyatt both should go, or Pyatt at least kept on a very tight leash. Neither of them brought it as hard or as constantly as Noke and Korpikoski did. et and so Maloney has no idea as to what he can and cannot do at the moment. He can only guess.

Well said. I've never been big Winnik fan, but you want to give up on the guy already? I don't necessarily disagree with you, but Tippett seems to really like his game and he is still young. What I don't like is how the guy has virtually no offensive game to speak of. His defense and PK is average. The only thing he really excels at is the forchecking and cycling, and that's not always going. He's played his best when paired with Hanzal his first few years and Fiddler this year. When not, he has not been able to elevate his game or the play of everyone else on his line. I wouldn't mind giving Qvist a call to replace him with Winnik's spot.

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For all the talk of Winnik's lack of upside, he did put up 26 points in his rookie year. Fiddler put up thirty last season, and we can all agree that is very good production from a fourth liner. I see no reason why Winnik can't be a thirty point player. That's pretty darn good for the fourth line.

As far as unloading Nokelainen goes, I really don't think it will be all that difficult. He brings a consistently hard nosed game to the fourth line, and is a decent PKer. For less than a million bucks a year, there's probably a spot for him somewhere in this league. Regardless, I'm sure he'd rather play in Finland than San Antonio. Give him the choice.

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