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03-08-2013, 05:03 AM
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What is it going to take?? Re: Powerplay

Ok, I have bitten my tongue for a long time now.

I am sick of it. This team is WAY TOO TALENTED to have such a **** powerplay.

What is it going to take to fix it???

1) A new player (e.g. Iginla)

2) A hiree outside the team specifically to work on the PP (or maybe Ray Bourque wants to coach this?)

3) A psychotherapist to sit with the PP units and get into their heads

4) Start using the 4th line as the 1st PP unit

5) Taking a penalty on purpose as soon as we draw one (ie just running the opposing goalie or something)



What is wrong with our PP? Why can't we fix it? What is the solution?

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Fire Geoff Ward, problem solved!

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Why is krejci ineffective on the pp? He thrives on creating time and space but when he gets it on the pp he does nada.

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I am wondering if they should try Hamilton AND Chara on the points for the PP?

Here would be my #1 PP:

Krejci
Marchand
Seguin
Chara
Hamilton


The problem is Julien I think is worried about a #2 PP.... and balancing them out.

Obviously a 2nd PP could have:

Bergeron
Lucic
Horton
Peverley
one of: Ference, Boychuk or Seidenberg

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03-08-2013, 06:22 AM
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Fire Geoff Ward, problem solved!
- It can't be explained any other way. The coach by now has to figure out how these guys can be better and he hasn't for 3 plus years.

If you think coaching does not count, just consider what a general coaching change can do. Look no further than was Hitchcock did in St. Louis and what Therrian has done with the Habs.

At this point just add a new face/voice to the coaching staff in regards to the powerplay.

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Ok, I have bitten my tongue for a long time now.

I am sick of it. This team is WAY TOO TALENTED to have such a **** powerplay.

What is it going to take to fix it???

1) A new player (e.g. Iginla)

2) A hiree outside the team specifically to work on the PP (or maybe Ray Bourque wants to coach this?)

3) A psychotherapist to sit with the PP units and get into their heads

4) Start using the 4th line as the 1st PP unit

5) Taking a penalty on purpose as soon as we draw one (ie just running the opposing goalie or something)



What is wrong with our PP? Why can't we fix it? What is the solution?
Ryan Spooner could be ready for the first round of the playoffs when it matters.

Kid is Gold, Corpfan1 Gold! also maybe Koko makes an appearance, and Knight is back next week....the next wave of yutes on the way

in all seriousness (although I am not far off)

Seguin, Dougie, and Krejci ARE GOLD!!!! these 3 have to be getting 80 seconds of the 120 every powerplay- they move around, they can pass, they can shoot, they have very good hockey sense, awareness....go with these three consistently and get Chara off there except for second PP

very tough for teams to cover Dougie who could be anywhere- he's going to be fantastic running this over the years


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Kirk said it on twitter: Players need to execute, period.

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Unit 1:

Pandolfo-Soderberg-Bourque
Ference-Kaberle

Unit 2:

Axelsson-Savard-Murray
Ray Bourque-Hamilton


Seriously though, movement and execution. Firstly, it's a struggle to enter the zone with possession. Once inside, those without the puck are stationary. Those with the puck often exhibit poor decision making. They either over pass, or take a shot that goes wide, high or hits a shin pad and bounces outside the zone.

They have the horses to get it done. Let Chara have some free reign to move about the zone. His slapper from the blue line is next to useless at this point. Seguin is supposed to be a star in making? Ok, get it done on the power play then.

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- It can't be explained any other way. The coach by now has to figure out how these guys can be better and he hasn't for 3 plus years.

If you think coaching does not count, just consider what a general coaching change can do. Look no further than was Hitchcock did in St. Louis and what Therrian has done with the Habs.

At this point just add a new face/voice to the coaching staff in regards to the powerplay.
Thats a head coach though.

A powerplay coach does very little that actually effects the power play. Unless Ward is specifically telling them not to work the puck down low and to just kick to the point every chance you get, but I doubt that. The only thing I notice that I would change pertaining to Ward is the fact that he makes sure there is always someone screening the goalie and then the rest of the team essentially plays 4 on 4 hockey. Screening the goalie is great, but you need that guy coming in and out, rotating with the puck to mix it up.

The problem with the B's powerplay is no on uses the offensive instinct to take the ice and make something happen, instead they just use what the PK gives them. They need to force the issue, work the puck down low, make the D get out of position and open up holes. They're way too passive. They'd literally be the easiest team to PK against cause you never have to break format against them.

Its no surprise the last time we had a good powerplay savvy and kessel were flying around


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It's going to be a yeti of a task.



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- It can't be explained any other way. The coach by now has to figure out how these guys can be better and he hasn't for 3 plus years.

If you think coaching does not count, just consider what a general coaching change can do. Look no further than was Hitchcock did in St. Louis and what Therrian has done with the Habs.

At this point just add a new face/voice to the coaching staff in regards to the powerplay.
Concur. He is the common denominator for the Bs failed PP for the past few years. Time to try a new PP coach because he is a huge failure.

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Concur. He is the common denominator for the Bs failed PP for the past few years. Time to try a new PP coach because he is a huge failure.
Decision making can't be teached. That's the major problem on the PP. Too many bad decisions; way too much overpassing. Good scoring chances are wasted because our players doesn't trust their shot.

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I do think it is a system thing. I think throwing a ton of money and prospects to bring someone in to "fix" the problem won't work. . There is more than enough talent to have a good poweplay here

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I believe pp system/strategy/coaching is the problem.

We got Kaberle in Boston, not because of his defensive prowess but because he was the all mighty PMD.

And what did we do with him on the PP? We had him skate up to the red line and Fire the ********r all the way behind the opponents net.

That isn't talent, that's system. The bruins are a dump + Chase team, when they get on the powerplay they look lost because carrying the puck into the zone is foreign to them (unless its an odd man rush).


Simple example.
The year we won the cup, We had a top 5 offense but a 20th rank PP.

**** does not compute.

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The one constant over the years is Ward, remove him and bring in a proven PP coach and I think we will see a lot of improvement.

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Concur. He is the common denominator for the Bs failed PP for the past few years. Time to try a new PP coach because he is a huge failure.
Yup. It's been THREE seasons. I think it's now long overdue to change it up. I wish they would hire someone who can bring a fresh approach.

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Decision making can't be teached. That's the major problem on the PP. Too many bad decisions; way too much overpassing. Good scoring chances are wasted because our players doesn't trust their shot.
When I watch the PP, I don't see a lot of movement. I see standing at stations and passing around. At times, someone will try to sneak down low for a one timer. That seems more like a system to me.

I'd like to see the Bergeron line out as the 1st PP unit with Hamilton and Chara and I want to see those guys using their speed (Seguin/Marchand) to get the defense moving and reacting in order to open up opportunities.

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Not Gregory Campbell, that's for sure.

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More movement, they are too stationary.

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Kirk said it on twitter: Players need to execute, period.
Executing crap will lead to a crap PP... like we've had for years. It's all on coaches.

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When I watch the PP, I don't see a lot of movement. I see standing at stations and passing around. At times, someone will try to sneak down low for a one timer. That seems more like a system to me.

I'd like to see the Bergeron line out as the 1st PP unit with Hamilton and Chara and I want to see those guys using their speed (Seguin/Marchand) to get the defense moving and reacting in order to open up opportunities.
I'm not saying that it's 100% decision making but... too many times, i see a player in a good position to shoot the puck doing otherwise ( sending the puck to the point or making a crossice pass (who will be intercepted) ) with a negative result. This "behavior" can also be seen on a odd man rush, where the team have a 3 on 2, and the guy with the puck will choose to pass instead of shooting even if he's in a better position/having a better scoring chance. I understand the puck movement and everything but i fully remember when the Bruins had Iafrate/Bourque at the point, the Bruins were passing the puck 2-3 times and BOOM, the big shot. They were were successfull by shooting the puck with plenty of people in front of the net. You're not going to beat a goaltender without traffic in front of him. To me, the Bruins are too cute and fancy instead of being "dirty" and effective.

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I remember Julien saying at one time that defense can be taught but offense just has to come naturally... or something to that effect.

It's still a troubling concept to me as both most certainly can be taught, but it's hard to judge exactly what he meant without full context. Still, the offense at times seems to be quite disjointed, especially on the power play with no clear strategy it seems. I wonder how much free reign the coaching staff gives the players offensively honestly... structure would help.

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Play the first unit for the entire PP.

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I remember watching Campbell on the PP last night and seeing everyone pass around him, it was like when I get PP time in beer league and no one passes to me

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Why is krejci ineffective on the pp? He thrives on creating time and space but when he gets it on the pp he does nada.
he leads the team in PP points with 4 (tied with Seguin and Dougie)

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