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05-18-2010, 03:34 PM
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Perry's foul on Vokoun ...

I've seen a discussion in CZE - CAN 3:2 thread and i think this deserves own thread ..

WCH are playing with IIHF rules and according to them it was 100% foul (maybe even with NHL rules)

IIHF rule book
SECTION SIX - PLAYING RULES/Rule 606 Charging and Checking From Behind

(c) A minor penalty or a major penalty shall be assessed to a player
who body-checks or charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper
is within the goal crease or privileged area.
A goalkeeper is not ‘fair game’ just because
the goalkeeper is outside the privileged area. A penalty for interference or charging
must be assessed in every case where an opposing player makes
unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.


video link ( not sure if it will work for all )

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Incidental collision as both Perry and Vokoun were pursuing the puck.

On the otherhand, I had to laugh at the complete change in demeanor for Klepis. He went from a tough guy hitting a prone Perry to a turtle when Burns engaged him a few seconds later.

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Doesn't look that bad. Perry was stopping, perhaps expecting Vokoun to stop and stay behind the net (where goalies usually stop to play the puck). Vokoun kept moving forward and they collided. Not a blatant hit. Perry can be dirty, though.

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I am not a fan of either team, and I have no idea what so ever how is that not a penalty. If IIHF really let's this slide expect to see a lot more goals like that.

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Doesn't look that bad. Perry was stopping, perhaps expecting Vokoun to stop and stay behind the net (where goalies usually stop to play the puck). Vokoun kept moving forward and they collided. Not a blatant hit. Perry can be dirty, though.
ofc it was not brutal .. it was just foul nothing else ... Perry was trying to win the game as every good canadian player

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The goal definitely shouldn't be valid.

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to me that's a tough call.

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Perry made a play for the puck. The contact was coincidental. Its a good goal.

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an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.

The bolded part makes it a totally discretionary call by the refs. You can get 20 different versions of necessary or unnecessary.

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Incidental collision as both Perry and Vokoun were pursuing the puck.
Not really. Vokoun was clearing the puck from the zone when Perry simply run into him. I think it should be a call.

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I've seen a discussion in CZE - CAN 3:2 thread and i think this deserves own thread ..

WCH are playing with IIHF rules and according to them it was 100% foul (maybe even with NHL rules)

IIHF rule book
SECTION SIX - PLAYING RULES/Rule 606 Charging and Checking From Behind

(c) A minor penalty or a major penalty shall be assessed to a player
who body-checks or charges a goalkeeper while the goalkeeper
is within the goal crease or privileged area.
A goalkeeper is not ‘fair game’ just because
the goalkeeper is outside the privileged area. A penalty for interference or charging
must be assessed in every case where an opposing player makes
unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper.


video link ( not sure if it will work for all )
This is made slightly clearer in the newer rulebook:

595 - PROTECTION OF GOALKEEPERS(http://www.iihf.com/fileadmin/user_u...s_part_two.pdf)

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside of the goal crease.
The penalty shall be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes
unnecesary contact with the goalkeeper
(see Rule 522). Incidental contact shall
be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his
goal crease provided the attacking player made a reasonable effort to avoid
unnecessary contact.


Seeing as Perry didn't make a 'reasonable' effort to avoid Vokoun as he went slap bang into him, it has to be a foul. Also, if you stop the video at exactly 1 minute( and some seconds before) you can clearly see a slash on vokoun's stick (Perry swings his stick, before hitting vokoun's) However the meaning of the word reasonable is up for debate.

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That whistling that European fans do is as annoying as it gets.

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That whistling that European fans do is as annoying as it gets.
True, but what else are they meant to do if they aren't happy with a decision?

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Well just imagine how often that's called a penalty in normal national league games. On my part, I can say that in Finland that's 10 out of 10 times a goalie obstruction(?) penalty. The fact that he clearly hit and obstructed Vokoun makes it worth a penalty.

And the fact that it ended up in a goal makes it even more important to call off. If the puck had gone in to the other end etc. they could have let it slip.

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On the otherhand, I had to laugh at the complete change in demeanor for Klepis. He went from a tough guy hitting a prone Perry to a turtle when Burns engaged him a few seconds later.
Why did Burns have to engage him? Can't Perry take care of himself or do Canadians always fight 2v1?

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Goign by Perry's reputation.
He knew he had the chance to run the goalie and he did.
He made ZERO effort to not make contact with him and he had every chance to get the puck without crashing into the goalie.

Should of been a penalty under the iihf rules.

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True, but what else are they meant to do if they aren't happy with a decision?
Boo like men.

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Vokoun felt contact and went down he's a professional athlete not a 1 legged giraffe

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looks like incidental contact to me, and considering the rules, the refs must have felt that way as well. I dont see how anyone can clearly say that it isnt without being in perry's head, so i'll defer to the calls of the refs on the ice.

@ the dude that thinks there is a slash, you clearly dont understand what a slash is, or you have a creative interpretation of what you saw. Perry swung his stick blade behind Vokoun's stick to try to block the clear from vokoun along the boards.

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It's called a penalty not a foul...

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It's called a penalty not a foul...
probably using that terminology because vokoun looked like a footballer on that play.

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That should not be a goal unless the goalie is not allowed to leave the crease in international play

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Why did Burns have to engage him? Can't Perry take care of himself or do Canadians always fight 2v1?
Look at it again, Perry got knocked over so Burns went to help him...

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Perrry being Perry.

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Perry swung his stick blade behind Vokoun's stick to try to block the clear from vokoun along the boards.
Rule 537 from the IIHF rulebook (http://www.iihf.com/fileadmin/user_u...s_part_two.pdf)
The Referee shall assess a slashing penalty to
any player who swings his stick at an opponent without actually striking him.


He clearly swings his stick, so he should get assessed, but not necessarily given, a slashing penalty. As for his stick being behind Vokoun's, I genuinely can't see that.

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