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05-18-2010, 06:24 PM
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He didn't even try to avoid him.

That goal should NOT have counted.

Roles reversed most Canadians would be saying it was a cheap shot.

Why at times do Canadian players have to resort to bullying when we lose?

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05-18-2010, 06:28 PM
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Why at times do Canadian players have to resort to bullying when we lose?
I once asked a canadian friend of mine the same question (after IHWC 2005) he said: "it's because it doesn't happen very often"

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He didn't even try to avoid him.

That goal should NOT have counted.

Roles reversed most Canadians would be saying it was a cheap shot.

Why at times do Canadian players have to resort to bullying when we lose?
Canada against the World. Remember that and never forget it.

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It honestly should've been a penalty. Perry didn't make an attempt to avoid the collision.

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I once asked a canadian friend of mine the same question (after IHWC 2005) he said: "it's because it doesn't happen very often"
lol...I thought it should have been a penalty as well. Oh well.

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05-18-2010, 07:13 PM
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If Perry was given a penalty for that, Vokoun should have been given a penalty for diving.

That 'slash' happens every time a goalie attempts to move the puck with a player from the other team in close proximity. It's pretty minimal contact between the two

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05-18-2010, 08:28 PM
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Meh, Perry was going for the puck/Vokouns stick. He just probably didn't expect Voukon to keep coming. Incidental contact, while incidental, was a penalty. I thought it was funny how they jumped Perry at the end of the game, sure wish the IIHF allowed fighting.

AS for Canadians bullying? It was pretty obvious that the Canadian's were not the aggressors at the end, Perry was pumped into the Czech player at the end of the game, which resulted in a scrum, I thought he threw a hit initially but one of the reverse angles showed otherwise. It was the Czech's who went on the offense following. Pretty sure they threw alot more punches too. Not that it matters, I doubt any Canadian's are upset by a few glove on Rabbit punches.

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05-18-2010, 08:43 PM
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This is made slightly clearer in the newer rulebook:

595 - PROTECTION OF GOALKEEPERS(http://www.iihf.com/fileadmin/user_u...s_part_two.pdf)

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside of the goal crease.
The penalty shall be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes
unnecesary contact with the goalkeeper
(see Rule 522). Incidental contact shall
be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his
goal crease provided the attacking player made a reasonable effort to avoid
unnecessary contact.


Seeing as Perry didn't make a 'reasonable' effort to avoid Vokoun as he went slap bang into him, it has to be a foul. Also, if you stop the video at exactly 1 minute( and some seconds before) you can clearly see a slash on vokoun's stick (Perry swings his stick, before hitting vokoun's) However the meaning of the word reasonable is up for debate.
This guy has it right. Anytime I have seen a goalie play the puck like that a player always will skate just past him but will NEVER skate into the goalie. I think someone else said it about right as well "Perry being Perry"

And how can anyone say Vokoun dove? He wasn't expecting contact. Which goalie does?

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If Perry was given a penalty for that, Vokoun should have been given a penalty for diving.

That 'slash' happens every time a goalie attempts to move the puck with a player from the other team in close proximity. It's pretty minimal contact between the two
I dunno, I thought it was pretty obvious that Perry collided into Vokoun, and that knocked Vokoun over. The slash didn't really contribute to Vokoun falling.

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05-18-2010, 09:32 PM
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It would have been nice if it could have just been a no-goal no penalty, but I don't think thats the right call.

Probably should have just been a penalty on Perry. The refs were not sharp that game, and I'm not complaining. On one play as Whitney entered the zone, he high-sticked the defenseman, roughed him, then high-sticked him again. No call on any of them.

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05-18-2010, 09:46 PM
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Incidental collision as both Perry and Vokoun were pursuing the puck.

On the otherhand, I had to laugh at the complete change in demeanor for Klepis. He went from a tough guy hitting a prone Perry to a turtle when Burns engaged him a few seconds later.
Perry was far from being in a prone position. He was on is his feet when Klepis hit him knocking him on his ass and was standing over him.

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It is Perry, it wasn't incidental

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Why did Burns have to engage him? Can't Perry take care of himself or do Canadians always fight 2v1?
That's the way the Ducks do it. Although Burnsie is not a Duck so I don't know what was going on here.

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05-18-2010, 10:25 PM
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How the hell was that a goal ?

Also, no European team should get into an altercation with team Canada. Or even the states. You'll just get destroyed. At least playing hockey it's pretty even.

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05-18-2010, 10:33 PM
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That's the way the Ducks do it. Although Burnsie is not a Duck so I don't know what was going on here.
Perry can take care of himself, though it's tough to engage someone when they are standing over you, waiting for a sign to take a swipe when you're standing up.

Besides Perry had the last laugh sitting on the ice -- Canada had just scored.

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Is Burns wearing his Minny green shorts?

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Looks like he has his Wild green pants with a black Canada shell over them. Lots of players will do this rather than have to break in a new pair of pants which will be worn for only a few weeks.

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Rule 537 from the IIHF rulebook (http://www.iihf.com/fileadmin/user_u...s_part_two.pdf)
The Referee shall assess a slashing penalty to
any player who swings his stick at an opponent without actually striking him.


He clearly swings his stick, so he should get assessed, but not necessarily given, a slashing penalty. As for his stick being behind Vokoun's, I genuinely can't see that.
Thank god the NHL doesn't use that hack rule book. That is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard.

Perry: Love it.

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Rule 537 from the IIHF rulebook (http://www.iihf.com/fileadmin/user_u...s_part_two.pdf)
The Referee shall assess a slashing penalty to
any player who swings his stick at an opponent without actually striking him.


He clearly swings his stick, so he should get assessed, but not necessarily given, a slashing penalty. As for his stick being behind Vokoun's, I genuinely can't see that.
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Also, no European team should get into an altercation with team Canada. Or even the states. You'll just get destroyed. At least playing hockey it's pretty even.
Yeah and just let them goon it up and run any goalies at will.

You know it's not always about getting the upper hand or winning?

The incident at hand definitely should've been called a penalty and the goal disallowed.

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Yeah and just let them goon it up and run any goalies at will.

You know it's not always about getting the upper hand or winning?

The incident at hand definitely should've been called a penalty and the goal disallowed.
Hes out of the crease, by his choice. I definitely will agree it is an unwritten rule not to do it, but Perry usually crosses the line.

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I'm a goalie, and see it as both players heading for the same spot on the ice to play the puck. No penalty, goal stands. Had Vokoun, instead of trying to play the puck, made a beeline to get back in his crease, and collided with Perry, I would've been in agreement to give Perry an interference penalty for impeding the goalie's ability to defend the goal.

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Yeah and just let them goon it up and run any goalies at will.

You know it's not always about getting the upper hand or winning?

The incident at hand definitely should've been called a penalty and the goal disallowed.
While showing up is just as important as winning... what message does it send to the other team when they run your guy, you fight them and then down land a punch?



... That is right... you have balls but might as well let us walk all over you.

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I thought it was a strange non call at the time but after seeing the description of the official rule I understand what the refs were thinking at the time.

I don't think citing the rule book helped the case against Perry in this particular incidence.

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Meh, Perry was going for the puck/Vokouns stick. He just probably didn't expect Voukon to keep coming. Incidental contact, while incidental, was a penalty. I thought it was funny how they jumped Perry at the end of the game, sure wish the IIHF allowed fighting.

AS for Canadians bullying? It was pretty obvious that the Canadian's were not the aggressors at the end, Perry was pumped into the Czech player at the end of the game, which resulted in a scrum, I thought he threw a hit initially but one of the reverse angles showed otherwise. It was the Czech's who went on the offense following. Pretty sure they threw alot more punches too. Not that it matters, I doubt any Canadian's are upset by a few glove on Rabbit punches.
Maybe, but that Canadian didn't have even any reason to skate there... he should have stayed in his own zone, during last 5 seconds. It is clear he inteded to do "something" there. Of course it doesn't matter now.

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