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05-19-2010, 12:30 PM
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I can think of another 5th overall pick who had a sophomore slump.
Maybe the Leafs should move him, add Grabo (dump), and a high pick (1st in 2012) for an expiring contract?
Makes sense! Boston, you interested in doing us a favor?
You better not be talking about Schenn. Cause everyone in the league would take Schenn or Wheeler!

At least Schenn made some noise and had a good rookie year!

watch and see. he shut down the likes of Crosby, Malkin. what does your boy have going?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgyfuSn2uo

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You better not be talking about Schenn. Cause everyone in the league would take Schenn or Wheeler!

At least Schenn made some noise and had a good rookie year!

watch and see. he shut down the likes of Crosby, Malkin. what does your boy have going?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgyfuSn2uo
So did Wheeler.
I'm a Leafs fan, i'm guessing this went right over your head...

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He turned pro in 2006. Playing some in The NHL but mostly in The AHL. The AHL is a pro league.

Either way, Boston doesn't want or need him... fans of other teams keep telling Boston fans how they 'have to' trade one of their talented young centers, or trade the #2 pick because Hall is going 1st, and now Toronto fans think Boston wants 35 point, short, soft 26 year old center?
3 games in 2006 is a injury call-up. anyways your argument is lame.

short and soft is Savard, Marchand, and Krejci.

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You better not be talking about Schenn. Cause everyone in the league would take Schenn or Wheeler!

At least Schenn made some noise and had a good rookie year!

watch and see. he shut down the likes of Crosby, Malkin. what does your boy have going?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgyfuSn2uo
Bwahahahaha. Oh Leaf fans, you're so cute.

2008-2009 Calder Trophy Voting
Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
1. Steve Mason, CBJ 1268 (121-6-2-2-0)
2. Bobby Ryan, ANA 829 (9-84-24-9-4)
3. Kris Versteeg, CHI 323 (1-8-26-35-22)
4. Pekka Rinne, NSH 319 (0-15-34-9-17)
5. Drew Doughty, L.A. 303 (0-14-22-26-17)
6. Blake Wheeler, BOS 157 (1-3-11-17-20)
7. Patrik Berglund, STL 128 (0-0-10-20-18)
8. T.J. Oshie, STL 30 (0-1-1-5-3)
9. Steven Stamkos, T.B. 22 (0-0-0-3-13)
10. Michael Frolik, FLA 12 (0-1-1-0-0)
11. Mikhail Grabovski, TOR 8 (0-0-0-2-2)
12. Zach Bogosian, ATL 7 (0-0-0-1-4)
13. Chris Butler, BUF 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
14. Matt Hunwick, BOS 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
15. Kyle Okposo, NYI 4 (0-0-0-0-4)
16. Jonathan Quick, L.A. 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
17. James Neal, DAL 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Luke Schenn, TOR 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

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I think I can speak for most of Leafs Nation when I say: no more trades with the Boston ****ing Bruins!

Seriously, there are 28 other teams in this league that we could trade with. Why do these proposals always come back to Boston?

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Bwahahahaha. Oh Leaf fans, you're so cute.

2008-2009 Calder Trophy Voting
Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
1. Steve Mason, CBJ 1268 (121-6-2-2-0)
2. Bobby Ryan, ANA 829 (9-84-24-9-4)
3. Kris Versteeg, CHI 323 (1-8-26-35-22)
4. Pekka Rinne, NSH 319 (0-15-34-9-17)
5. Drew Doughty, L.A. 303 (0-14-22-26-17)
6. Blake Wheeler, BOS 157 (1-3-11-17-20)
7. Patrik Berglund, STL 128 (0-0-10-20-18)
8. T.J. Oshie, STL 30 (0-1-1-5-3)
9. Steven Stamkos, T.B. 22 (0-0-0-3-13)
10. Michael Frolik, FLA 12 (0-1-1-0-0)
11. Mikhail Grabovski, TOR 8 (0-0-0-2-2)
12. Zach Bogosian, ATL 7 (0-0-0-1-4)
13. Chris Butler, BUF 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
14. Matt Hunwick, BOS 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
15. Kyle Okposo, NYI 4 (0-0-0-0-4)
16. Jonathan Quick, L.A. 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
17. James Neal, DAL 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Luke Schenn, TOR 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Added the other defencemen ahead of Schenn for ya too.

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Obviously this proposal is a resounding NO from both sides, other than the OP.... moving on....

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I think I can speak for most of Leafs Nation when I say: no more trades with the Boston ****ing Bruins!

Seriously, there are 28 other teams in this league that we could trade with. Why do these proposals always come back to Boston?

finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the voice of reason.

boston literally has nothing other then picks that interest me. (referring to what they would actually part with). their prospects are meh (not including who they pick with the #2). i honestly think that we could get a significantly better deal from another team.

wheeler would be at best a 2nd line winger for us although with 40 points it would be more likely a 3rd line winger. ryder might be ok for the 2nd line but that contract is pretty high imo and i would rather use the cap space for something else. hamil is nothing special imo and the 1st is mid round. one would think there would be at least one awsome piece coming back in a potential kaberle deal.

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Bwahahahaha. Oh Leaf fans, you're so cute.

2008-2009 Calder Trophy Voting
Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
1. Steve Mason, CBJ 1268 (121-6-2-2-0)
2. Bobby Ryan, ANA 829 (9-84-24-9-4)
3. Kris Versteeg, CHI 323 (1-8-26-35-22)
4. Pekka Rinne, NSH 319 (0-15-34-9-17)
5. Drew Doughty, L.A. 303 (0-14-22-26-17)
6. Blake Wheeler, BOS 157 (1-3-11-17-20)
7. Patrik Berglund, STL 128 (0-0-10-20-18)
8. T.J. Oshie, STL 30 (0-1-1-5-3)
9. Steven Stamkos, T.B. 22 (0-0-0-3-13)
10. Michael Frolik, FLA 12 (0-1-1-0-0)
11. Mikhail Grabovski, TOR 8 (0-0-0-2-2)
12. Zach Bogosian, ATL 7 (0-0-0-1-4)
13. Chris Butler, BUF 5 (0-0-1-0-0)
14. Matt Hunwick, BOS 4 (0-0-0-1-1)
15. Kyle Okposo, NYI 4 (0-0-0-0-4)
16. Jonathan Quick, L.A. 3 (0-0-0-1-0)
17. James Neal, DAL 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
Luke Schenn, TOR 2 (0-0-0-0-2)
hey even the sun shines on a dogs ass one day. evident by the first three games of your series with PHI

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hey even the sun shines on a dogs ass one day. evident by the first three games of your series with PHI
...at least they had 3 games with Philly.
Seriously, shut up.

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hey even the sun shines on a dogs ass one day. evident by the first three games of your series with PHI
So just when do you think it will shine on a dog's ass in Toronto ????? Hey - Boston fans can be witty too.

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hey even the sun shines on a dogs ass one day. evident by the first three games of your series with PHI
Hey... *NEWSFLASH* contrary to what Leaf fans may believe... other teams do play hockey in May, in this thing called "playoffs"... I realise its been 5 seasons and 6 years since those 2 words have been uttered in leaf nation... but trust me, this mystical journey called "play offs" does exist, and believe or not... some teams are still play hockey...

I know...

It's shocking... and I realize you have no concept what that is like, and for you to justify the last 6 years of ineptitude you need to put down other teams who have actually attempted to make this "mystical journey" to the land of "play offs" where teams compete for the ultimate prize... it does exist... just not in leaf land...

Its okay... I am sure one day you will wake up, mark May 1st off your calander and low and behold... the leafs will be playing... but... it wasn't this year, and not the last 5 years either... so for all accounts...

shut the eff up when you're talking about a teams playoff performance, because its better to go to the dance and lose, than sit at home crying into your pillow because you haven't been invited to the party for the last 6 years

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For Kaberle the Bruins offer Ryder and a 2nd(32nd overall)final offer.they both have 1 year left at 4m.
Beat me to it. Toronto has to take Salary back in any trade.

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For Kaberle the Bruins offer Ryder and a 2nd(32nd overall)final offer.they both have 1 year left at 4m.
I'd love to trade Kaberle and I would easily turn that offer down.

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3 games in 2006 is a injury call-up. anyways your argument is lame.

short and soft is Savard, Marchand, and Krejci.
1. It's not my argument

2. The AHL is a pro league.

3. He has been a pro since 2006, thus he is a 4-year pro.

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Added the other defencemen ahead of Schenn for ya too.
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Stajan has outscored him the past two years by a lot.

Grabo outscored him last year ans fell 3 points shy this year and he was BAD. Really inconsistent and missed a month of hockey due to injury!

So in other words WHEELER SUCKS!

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It's funny when certain members of a fanbase who's team hasn't made the playoffs in what, 6 years and just finished 2nd to last in the league after dealing off their first round pick incessantly refers to a teams historic failure in the second round of the playoffs.

I mean, not just mildly amusing, we're talking pretty ****ing hysterical.

To those intelligent Leaf fans (and a pleasant aside has been that more then a few have made themselves known in these threads) chin up, all our fan bases have them (awaits a Bergeron to Toronto for a 3rd round pick deal from Jack Edwards).

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Much like the Leafs not having anything (Kaberle) legit enough to give up for Wheeler, Hamill and their 15th O/A?
Thats the point. Thanks for proving it.


wrong.

this proves why so many people (including some leaf fans apparently) are so blind and overlook the fact that no matter how good or bad the leafs have been kaberle has always been up there in the rankings. he has been one of the more consistent dmen in the last few decades for the leafs, only behind bojre i believe. there is a reason why he has also been a 4 time nhl all star (most recent was 2009) and to think this same player is still in his prime makes it all the better.

kaberle is one of most legit puck moving dmen as it gets in the nhl. please do not confuse yourself between a player who has barely got going in this league yet and someone who has more then proved himself year after year.

so what is wheeler again?

you guessed it, a 38 point power forward.

when wheeler is in his 6-8th year and actually starts playing anywhere near what a 5th overall player should be maybe your failure of an argument would have stood a chance.

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wrong.

this proves why so many people (including some leaf fans apparently) are so blind and overlook the fact that no matter how good or bad the leafs have been kaberle has always been up there in the rankings. he has been one of the more consistent dmen in the last few decades for the leafs, only behind bojre i believe. there is a reason why he has also been a 4 time nhl all star (most recent was 2009) and to think this same player is still in his prime makes it all the better.

kaberle is one of most legit puck moving dmen as it gets in the nhl. please do not confuse yourself between a player who has barely got going in this league yet and someone who has more then proved himself year after year.

so what is wheeler again?

you guessed it, a 38 point power forward.

when wheeler is in his 6-8th year and actually starts playing anywhere near what a 5th overall player should be maybe your failure of an argument would have stood a chance.
Awesome...

Glad you speak so highly and feel so good about him...

Hey... here is a thought...

Why not just keep him if you love him so much, rather than try to make trades and inflate his value?

If you like him so much and the offers don't seem legit... well... just keep him, I am sure most of the fans would like that idea too... so than no more 100,000 Kaberle trade threads a year.

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Hey... *NEWSFLASH* contrary to what Leaf fans may believe... other teams do play hockey in May, in this thing called "playoffs"... I realise its been 5 seasons and 6 years since those 2 words have been uttered in leaf nation... but trust me, this mystical journey called "play offs" does exist, and believe or not... some teams are still play hockey...

I know...

It's shocking... and I realize you have no concept what that is like, and for you to justify the last 6 years of ineptitude you need to put down other teams who have actually attempted to make this "mystical journey" to the land of "play offs" where teams compete for the ultimate prize... it does exist... just not in leaf land...

Its okay... I am sure one day you will wake up, mark May 1st off your calander and low and behold... the leafs will be playing... but... it wasn't this year, and not the last 5 years either... so for all accounts...

shut the eff up when you're talking about a teams playoff performance, because its better to go to the dance and lose, than sit at home crying into your pillow because you haven't been invited to the party for the last 6 years
WTF are playoffs?


It seriously has been waaay too long.

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If you like him so much and the offers don't seem legit... well... just keep him, I am sure most of the fans would like that idea too... so than no more 100,000 Kaberle trade threads a year.
that is exactly what burke will do because he is our biggest trading chip for a top 6 forward.

you happen to be on a forum which is driven by hockey proposals.

what else did you expect?

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It the same posters from both sides ......round and round we go.
Funny thing is a few actually seem to know a thing or two about hockey but just can't stay away from this crap.

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that is exactly what burke will do because he is our biggest trading chip for a top 6 forward.

you happen to be on a forum which is driven by hockey proposals.

what else did you expect?
You can certainly aquire a top 6 foward... but your shooting for the moon...

Kaberle is NOT worth Bobby Ryan\David Krecji\Patrice Bergeron\Number 6 overall pick\whatever else we have seen here

And packaging a jobber like Grabokvski doesn't equal out the trade either.

Honestly, i think its best for the Leafs just to keep him... chances are he will re-sign very cheap again (4-4.5 million) and everyone will be happy.

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You better not be talking about Schenn. Cause everyone in the league would take Schenn or Wheeler!

At least Schenn made some noise and had a good rookie year!

watch and see. he shut down the likes of Crosby, Malkin. what does your boy have going?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZgyfuSn2uo
I have to guess that you didn't get a chance to watch Wheeler in his rookie year. He did things like score 20+ goals, one of them I believe was voted the goal of the year in the entire NHL, he was among the leaders in +/- and came in 7th? in Calder trophy voting.

Schenn was also good, but he wasn't as good as Wheeler, so if Wheeler is a bust as some people seem to be insinuating, Schenn is also a bust.

Most people know that it takes most players a few years to settle in with their teams at the NHL level. To think Wheeler or Schenn is a bust at this point in time is idiotic. Both players had little slumps, Schenn's slump seems to be worse than Wheeler's, but most of the time it takes d-men a little longer to develop.

The price you guys want the Bruins to pay for kaberle is too high for most Bruins fans and they would rather not have the team make the proposed trade.

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You're quite the troll. You made the thread asking for opinions so why don't you shut your piehole for 5 seconds and listen to them without arguing how badly Boston fans should like your proposal. We've watched Wheeler all year, and many of us (being Canadian and having a strict interest in the outcome of Leafs games this year) caught a hell of a lot of Kaberle. We know what he is as well, so you don't need to let us know.

Calling a sophomore player a bust is a bit disingenuous. He made more progress in other areas, and added much needed muscle to an already 6'5" frame. I'd consider this more of an adjustment year then anything personally, and as long as he doesn't pull a Kessel and demand more money then he's worth I'd like to see him resigned.

The Boston/Kaberle ship has sailed, unless you really believe the stunt Burke pulled on trade day last year had no affect on Chia's willingness to deal with him. And Boston was willing to do a deal with Toronto last year for Kaberle, but don't pretend that deal didn't have a second, perhaps even more valuable piece. Boston would have moved up to the #7 spot from 25th, at least that was Chia's intention. The removal of that 7th overall pick was a deal breaker (thank god), regardless of if Kaberle was still in the deal or not.

And you keep talking about the playoffs like we didn't watch it. Yes, it was a choke job and yes, changes need to be made. Believe it or not, Toronto isn't the only team in the league to deal with, and a package that includes essentially 3 first round talents could garner some major interest from teams looking to rebuild. Also, what's worse, making it to the second round of the playoffs and getting eliminated in historical fashion or trading away your first overall pick and coming in second to last place in the league? I know 2 other teams did the former, but I haven't heard of a team doing the latter other then Toronto.

End of the day, your proposal has Boston taking on a 32 year old UFA to be who is weak when it comes to coverage in his own zone but is one hell of a PMD (just don't wait for him to shoot the puck, because waiting for that is more frustrating then anything I've ever experienced), and all you want in return are two former top 10 picks that are in the midst of development and a #15 overall in a strong draft? Oh and they take on cap in the deal. No thanks.

I'd much rather have a guy like Seidenberg who can move the puck and play a solid game in his own end, because contrary to popular belief, Chara is more effective when he can cheat both Physically and offensively. He at times finds himself a step behind in his defensive coverage, which is why he is most effective when played with guys like Chris Phillips, Aaron Ward and Seidenberg, but less effective with guys like Wideman and Morris. Kaberle also makes a bad partner for Wideman, since even though Wideman is fairly solid in his own end he's smaller, and is often outmuscled around the boards. Boychuk could very well develop into the best option as a partner for Chara, as he has the tools to be rock solid in his own end.

Boston has Chara, Wideman, Hunwick and Ference signed going into next season. They need to sign Boychuk and Stuart... and hopefully Seidenberg. There's little room for one year of Thomas Kaberle.

Thanks Kaoz. Nothing more needs to be said here. No to Kaberle.

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