HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > World Junior Championship
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
World Junior Championship Discuss international tournaments such as the World Juniors, Olympic hockey, and Ice Hockey World Championships, as they take place; or discuss past tournaments.

2011 World Cup

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
05-27-2010, 01:48 AM
  #101
jekoh
Registered User
 
jekoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 4,038
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinD80 View Post
Eurobasket is treated as being bigger than the World Championships.

Hmm, no it's not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinD80 View Post
As for your "proof" of the FIBA Americas, you ignore the South American sides, who take such a tournament seriously along with their fans.
They take it seriously but less so than the Wolrds. Just look at Argentina's roster 2006 vs 2007 or 2009.

jekoh is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 03:07 AM
  #102
Tomas W
Registered User
 
Tomas W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sweden
Posts: 4,965
vCash: 500
Well for me who is interested in the NHL, a NHL int. tourney is very interesting. I'm suprised that some europeans take it so lightly, after all the best players usually participate so why not watch the World Cup?

They should allow more countries to qualify, they could have qualifications games for "lesser" countries, if the NHL want to have only 8 countries in it (its always only Germany outside the "big 7" thats is invited, even though there are several other countries that is just a good as them.

The eurpoean teams might have a slight disadvantage since its a NHL tourney on NA soil, but then again the opposite is to be found on the World Champs so its evens out.

Tomas W is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 03:24 AM
  #103
Jussi
No strings on me
 
Jussi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: Finland
Posts: 45,202
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomas W View Post
Well for me who is interested in the NHL, a NHL int. tourney is very interesting. I'm suprised that some europeans take it so lightly, after all the best players usually participate so why not watch the World Cup?

They should allow more countries to qualify, they could have qualifications games for "lesser" countries, if the NHL want to have only 8 countries in it (its always only Germany outside the "big 7" thats is invited, even though there are several other countries that is just a good as them.

The European teams might have a slight disadvantage since its a NHL tourney on NA soil, but then again the opposite is to be found on the World Champs so its evens out.
World Cup is just taking place at totally wrong time. People don't care much for hockey at that time. Besides, the last World Cup proved that players weren't in best gameshape, some were recovering from injuries and some were in need of surgery. The quality of hockey paled in comparison to the Olympics.

There's no room for more qualifying tournaments in international hockey schedules. Domestic leagues are packed enough as it is now.

European disadvantage in WC is much greater than the NA one for Worlds, North Americans don't have to make cross Atlantic trips in the middle of the tournament.

Jussi is online now  
Old
05-27-2010, 08:43 AM
  #104
Tomas W
Registered User
 
Tomas W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sweden
Posts: 4,965
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jussi View Post
World Cup is just taking place at totally wrong time. People don't care much for hockey at that time. Besides, the last World Cup proved that players weren't in best gameshape, some were recovering from injuries and some were in need of surgery. The quality of hockey paled in comparison to the Olympics.

There's no room for more qualifying tournaments in international hockey schedules. Domestic leagues are packed enough as it is now.

European disadvantage in WC is much greater than the NA one for Worlds, North Americans don't have to make cross Atlantic trips in the middle of the tournament.
Even though you are right about what you are saying, but I still enjoy the World Cup. I think the NHL season is too long and the world champs is held to often. If it the games/year would be cut down we would have a better World Cup, and a proper world cup would grow the international interest in the game.

But since there is $$ involved there will be no change to this. shortsighted $$-thinking always goes before reason and sense.

Tomas W is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 09:32 AM
  #105
Metalcommand
Registered User
 
Metalcommand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Country:
Posts: 778
vCash: 500
I don't really care does a tournament have great history, traditions or things like that. The World Cup is a best-on best tournament just like the Olympics and I fail to see why other fellow Euros would not care about this tournament.

It still hurts me when I think about '04 when I as a little kid woke up in the middle of the night only to see Finland lose to Canada. Bitter memories ; (

Metalcommand is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 10:17 AM
  #106
Vic Rattlehead*
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: St-Hubert, Quebec
Country: Canada
Posts: 40,790
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by therealdeal View Post
My biggest problem with this tournament is how much its played in North America. If its the World Cup play it all over the world. The last one they played a bunch of games in Europe then those teams had to FLY over while 4 teams got to stay on one side of the world and rest. Thats not good.

They need to improve that aspect of the tournament.
It's all about $$$$.

Tournaments ALWAYS do very well in Canadian cities...it's one of the reasons why the WJCs are in Canada every 2-3 years.

Vic Rattlehead* is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 01:30 PM
  #107
Zine
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,970
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vic Rattlehead View Post
It's all about $$$$.

Tournaments ALWAYS do very well in Canadian cities...it's one of the reasons why the WJCs are in Canada every 2-3 years.
Of course every tournament is about $$$, but unlike the World Cup, IIHF profits are disbursed to every federation and then filtered down to support IIHF Div 1, II, etc. events.
The World Cup is nothing but an NHL cash grab designed, more or less, for the benefit of the NHL only.
Not only is the tournament set-up unfair, itís also economically exclusionary which is not good for the global game.

Zine is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 01:39 PM
  #108
TheMoreYouKnow
Registered User
 
TheMoreYouKnow's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Eire
Posts: 8,954
vCash: 500
I am European and loved the World Cup when it occurred, it featured the best players unlike the World Championships which can only be half taken seriously as a result of that fact. But I'm not from a country that regularly (or ever) wins medals at the World Championships so I have no need to pimp that event and make it seem more relevant than it is. Truth is that international hockey can't be considered 100% legitimate unless the NHL is involved to the extent that all NHL players can participate.

I personally don't really give a damn about the power struggle between the IIHF or the NHL, in reality they are all interested in lining their pockets so I really just wanna see the best players and the NHL is the key to that.

TheMoreYouKnow is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 02:07 PM
  #109
Zine
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,970
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metalcommand View Post
I don't really care does a tournament have great history, traditions or things like that. The World Cup is a best-on best tournament just like the Olympics and I fail to see why other fellow Euros would not care about this tournament.

It still hurts me when I think about '04 when I as a little kid woke up in the middle of the night only to see Finland lose to Canada. Bitter memories ; (
Apart from some shortcomings already mentioned, the World Cup is also viewed as not being impartial.

Yes North Americans view IIHF events similarly, but at least (being part of IIHF) USA Hockey and Hockey Canada have a say in decisions....especially with the $$$ Canada can generate. That 'global input' doesn't exist with the World Cup. It's nothing more than an NHL moneymaker.

The situation is really no different than if the KHL sponsored a World Cup using its own standards and rules. Not sure everybody would take that seriously either.

World Cup has the potential to be a really good, but it needs to be more globalized to be taken seriously by all involved.

Zine is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 02:37 PM
  #110
Jussi
No strings on me
 
Jussi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Country: Finland
Posts: 45,202
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zine View Post
The World Cup is nothing but an NHL cash grab designed, more or less, for the benefit of the NHL only.
Not only is the tournament set-up unfair, itís also economically exclusionary which is not good for the global game.
World Cup is organized by the NHLPA who get most, if not all, profits.

Jussi is online now  
Old
05-27-2010, 03:35 PM
  #111
Zine
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,970
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jussi View Post
World Cup is organized by the NHLPA who get most, if not all, profits.
lol. That's even worse. The union for millionaire players keep the profits.

Zine is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 05:19 PM
  #112
tindo77
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: London
Country: United Kingdom
Posts: 6
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockey Fan001 View Post
You're an arrogant son of a *****.

The reason your American brother Jerk Off Bettman trashed the Canada cup was because Americans wouldn't buy into it.


Seems the Europeans really didn't mind having a cup to honoUr the country that gave the world the game of hockey.
Actually, the scrapping of the Canada Cup was a good thing. The name of the tournament was ridiculous and reflected Canada's clear inferiority complex about its place in and contribution to the world - especially being overshadowed by the USA.

Calling it the 'Canada Cup' was simply a way of saying: 'Hey - we're important!' Imagine if England said: 'We invented soccer so the FIFA World Cup should be called the 'England Cup' and always be held in England!' Or Greece saying: 'We invented the Olympics so the Olympic Games should be called the 'Greek Games' and always be held in Greece.'
Of course, England and Greece are far too enlightened to suggest something so ridiculous. Canada on the other hand...

tindo77 is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 05:43 PM
  #113
86Habs
Registered User
 
86Habs's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,328
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tindo77 View Post
Actually, the scrapping of the Canada Cup was a good thing. The name of the tournament was ridiculous and reflected Canada's clear inferiority complex about its place in and contribution to the world - especially being overshadowed by the USA.

Calling it the 'Canada Cup' was simply a way of saying: 'Hey - we're important!' Imagine if England said: 'We invented soccer so the FIFA World Cup should be called the 'England Cup' and always be held in England!' Or Greece saying: 'We invented the Olympics so the Olympic Games should be called the 'Greek Games' and always be held in Greece.'
Of course, England and Greece are far too enlightened to suggest something so ridiculous. Canada on the other hand...


Guess you haven't seen the recent footage of the constant riots in Athens and Greek protesters burning down banks and killing innocent people....all the while sticking out their hands and asking for a massive bailout by their fellow Europeans. I'm glad I don't live over there right now. Didn't realize that such a horrific inability to manage your country's finances is "enlightened".....

86Habs is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 06:43 PM
  #114
Nakawick
Registered User
 
Nakawick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,161
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tindo77 View Post
Actually, the scrapping of the Canada Cup was a good thing. The name of the tournament was ridiculous and reflected Canada's clear inferiority complex about its place in and contribution to the world - especially being overshadowed by the USA.

Calling it the 'Canada Cup' was simply a way of saying: 'Hey - we're important!' Imagine if England said: 'We invented soccer so the FIFA World Cup should be called the 'England Cup' and always be held in England!' Or Greece saying: 'We invented the Olympics so the Olympic Games should be called the 'Greek Games' and always be held in Greece.'
Of course, England and Greece are far too enlightened to suggest something so ridiculous. Canada on the other hand...
Well, at least thank Canada for making an international tournament involving the best players. There is no longer a need to call it the Canada cup. As for England and Greece, enjoy your history because the future looks bleak.

Nakawick is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 07:50 PM
  #115
Alberta tough
Registered User
 
Alberta tough's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Still on top!
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,236
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tindo77 View Post
Actually, the scrapping of the Canada Cup was a good thing. The name of the tournament was ridiculous and reflected Canada's clear inferiority complex about its place in and contribution to the world - especially being overshadowed by the USA.

Calling it the 'Canada Cup' was simply a way of saying: 'Hey - we're important!' Imagine if England said: 'We invented soccer so the FIFA World Cup should be called the 'England Cup' and always be held in England!' Or Greece saying: 'We invented the Olympics so the Olympic Games should be called the 'Greek Games' and always be held in Greece.'
Of course, England and Greece are far too enlightened to suggest something so ridiculous. Canada on the other hand...
You do realize it was called the Canada Cup because the tourny was played in CANADA. But thanks for turning this political.

Alberta tough is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 08:49 PM
  #116
Pentothal
Listen with one ear
 
Pentothal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: It's not even close
Country: Sweden
Posts: 2,909
vCash: 500
Haha.. Yeah, there's no Canadian inferiority complex.. at all. Show 'em gang!

Pentothal is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 09:11 PM
  #117
Bank Shot
Registered User
 
Bank Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,257
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pentothal View Post
Haha.. Yeah, there's no Canadian inferiority complex.. at all. Show 'em gang!
Its a superiority complex....cuz we're better then you at hockey.

Bank Shot is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 09:25 PM
  #118
Pentothal
Listen with one ear
 
Pentothal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: It's not even close
Country: Sweden
Posts: 2,909
vCash: 500
No doubt. Hockey is Canada's game.

You're pretty **** at everything else though

Pentothal is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 10:12 PM
  #119
Riggins
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Vancouver, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,271
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pentothal View Post
No doubt. Hockey is Canada's game.

You're pretty **** at everything else though
I think we're pretty good at being a great place to live. I'd prefer to be decent at soccer though.

As far as the World Cup goes, I say just give it the axe. It doesn't hold much weight, unless maybe it was every four years halfway between the Olympics and rotated between Europe and North America. When I think on Canada's great victories recently I think 2010 and 2002, not so much with 2004(?) beating Finland.

Riggins is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 10:54 PM
  #120
Pentothal
Listen with one ear
 
Pentothal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: It's not even close
Country: Sweden
Posts: 2,909
vCash: 500
You have a decent place to live for about a month of the year and you're already decent at soccer. You have this guy, who's almost Canadian.



He has a bizarre German/English accent and everything.

Pentothal is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 11:01 PM
  #121
Nakawick
Registered User
 
Nakawick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,161
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pentothal View Post
No doubt. Hockey is Canada's game.

You're pretty **** at everything else though
Sweden is pretty **** at sports not popular is Sweden too. Come to think of it, what is Sweden good at besides hockey?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steadfast View Post
I think we're pretty good at being a great place to live. I'd prefer to be decent at soccer though.

As far as the World Cup goes, I say just give it the axe. It doesn't hold much weight, unless maybe it was every four years halfway between the Olympics and rotated between Europe and North America. When I think on Canada's great victories recently I think 2010 and 2002, not so much with 2004(?) beating Finland.
The World cup would be better with the suggestions you made, however, if a best on best tournament was held every 2 years instead of 4, do you think that would that take away from the excitement? I think it would have to alternate between Europe and NA too. How many teams do you think there should be in a best on best? 8? 10? 12? 16?

Nakawick is offline  
Old
05-27-2010, 11:44 PM
  #122
Bank Shot
Registered User
 
Bank Shot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 5,257
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pentothal View Post
No doubt. Hockey is Canada's game.

You're pretty **** at everything else though
Nobody cares. This is a hockey board.

Go post about what Canada is bad at on the everything else board.

Bank Shot is offline  
Old
05-28-2010, 12:37 AM
  #123
William H Bonney
Registered User
 
William H Bonney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sierra Nevada
Country: United States
Posts: 19,658
vCash: 500
After spending a good amount of time attempting to clean up all the trolling/off-topic posts in this thread, I've decided it's not worth the time. When a thread is started about the potential 2011 World Cup, the discussion should be about the 2011 World Cup of Hockey; not the Stanley Cup, the Governor General of Canada, Soccer, Basketball, Canada's abilities at other sports, how you think Bettman is rigging international hockey for Team USA, or any of the other off-topic drivel that was spewed here.

If the OP, or any of the few that actually wanted to discuss the potential for the 2011 World Cup want to start a new thread to try and get a valid discussion, feel free but do not get sidetracked again please.

__________________
"I have been complimented many times and they always embarrass me; I always feel that they have not said enough." - Mark Twain.
William H Bonney is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:59 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.